ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[wavelength]

You're obviously missing the point of BODYBUILDING.  
Key word here guys; BUILD.  Not maintain, not shred - BUILD.

I think you may have missed the story behind that quote.

[Relentless]

They all weigh 150-160 now.

These guys just don't "get it."  Is there a men's fitness forum they can exchange ideas with somewhere?  This ridiculousness just doesn't work - or everybody would be doing.  Victor Martinez and Jay Cutler don't believe cutting fat with pecan pie as part of their diet is a good idea.

[The True Adonis]

OK, plus you.  I'm still looking for a bodybuilder of note, not a guy on a MB who weighs 150-160. Everybody TA keeps referring to following his diet is a featherweight.  Where are the big boys who follow this type of diet?

Us Naturals tend to never make it to big boy status.  

[Disgusted]

I`m not sure but it looks like Joe The Sugar Consumer needs to add a bit of flour,butter and some Pecans and he can bake himself a pie.

   Agreed

[wavelength]

OK, plus you.  I'm still looking for a bodybuilder of note, not a guy on a MB who weighs 150-160. Everybody TA keeps referring to following his diet is a featherweight.  Where are the big boys who follow this type of diet?

Don't know if there are any. I can only speak for myself. I'm lifetime natural, so I won't be huge anytime soon at that kind of condition.

[The True Adonis]

These guys just don't "get it."  Is there a men's fitness forum they can exchange ideas with somewhere?  This ridiculousness just doesn't work - or everybody would be doing.  Victor Martinez and Jay Cutler don't believe cutting fat with pecan pie as part of their diet is a good idea.

So by that rationale, you are calling Whateva who is 5`10 158 lbs and a PRO Natural Bodybuilder only worthy of being a fitness enthusiast and one who just doesn`t "get it". Whatever "it" is.

That doesn`t seem fair.

[Relentless]

I think you may have missed the story behind that quote.

Actually, I just came up with that on my own.  If someone else said it before and there is a story behind it, I'm not aware of it.  Whatever the case is, I'm glad you guys have found a diet that works for you.

[wavelength]

Actually, I just came up with that on my own.  If someone else said it before and there is a story behind it, I'm not aware of it.  Whatever the case is, I'm glad you guys have found a diet that works for you.

Sorry, that's a misunderstanding, I was talking about what you quoted of me. The story behind that quote had nothing to do with my diet.

[chaos]

So by that rationale, you are calling Whateva who is 5`10 158 lbs and a PRO Natural Bodybuilder only worthy of being a fitness enthusiast and one who just doesn`t "get it". Whatever "it" is.

That doesn`t seem fair.

No fuckin way is Whateva 5'10". 5'6" at the most.

[GoneAway]

No fuckin way is Whateva 5'10". 5'6" at the most.

QFT.

[wavelength]

Relentless, I'm just curious, are you natural?

[Relentless]

So by that rationale, you are calling Whateva who is 5`10 158 lbs and a PRO Natural Bodybuilder only worthy of being a fitness enthusiast and one who just doesn`t "get it". Whatever "it" is.

That doesn`t seem fair.

I don't know anything about whateva, other than he has a great physique.  He also possesses great lines TA.  His muscle insertions and overall shape are much different that yours, even at close to the same height.  You have a very long frame that needs A LOT more muscle to be competitive on a bodybuilding stage.  By the way, why have you not gotten onto a bodybuilding stage and shown the world what your principles will do if applied properly?  You just don't have the credentials to be taken seriously.  You are the SARAH PALIN of bodybuilding message boards - a ton of visibility with very little substance or real accomplishments to back anything up.

If you really want to PROVE that your dietary principles are legit, convince a bodybuilder worthy of note to harness your knowledge during his next contest prep.  I'm betting you won't find ANYONE who will take you up on this offer.  

Let's see some RESULTS rather than rhetoric.  

[chaos]

I don't know anything about whateva, other than he has a great physique.  He also possesses great lines TA.  His muscle insertions and overall shape are much different that yours, even at close to the same height.  You have a very long frame that needs A LOT more muscle to be competitive on a bodybuilding stage.  By the way, why have you not gotten onto a bodybuilding stage and shown the world what your principles will do if applied properly?  You just don't have the credentials to be taken seriously.  You are the SARAH PALIN of bodybuilding message boards - a ton of visibility with very little substance or real accomplishments to back anything up.

If you really want to PROVE that your dietary principles are legit, convince a bodybuilder worthy of note to harness your knowledge during his next contest prep.  I'm betting you won't find ANYONE who will take you up on this offer.  

Let's see some RESULTS rather than rhetoric.  

Even steroids won't help someone hold size while using the Adonis diet.

[Hubert Cumberdale]

Even though the Per capita sugar consumption in 2007 was 44.2 lbs per year as stated by the USDA, this still is meaningless in regards to eating 1/2 cup of sugar as a meal.

Anyways, Who sits down and says, "I am going to eat a half a cup of sugar today"? I haven`t seen anyone eat just a 1/2 of sugar by itself. Have you?

Also if you do the math, this comes to be .1210958904 lbs per day.  Not a whole lot at all. Less than a serving of Cell-Tech a day.  

FUCK YOU BITCH. THE FIRST THING I DO WHEN I GET UP IN THE MORNING IS POUR UP A BOWL OF FRESH SUGAR WITH MILK.

[Relentless]

Relentless, I'm just curious, are you natural?

Yes, I am a 25 yr old lifetime natural.  I am going to compete at my first contest in late April/early May; the contest I will be entering has not decided on an exact date yet.  I have a blog I will be making public detailing my contest prep once it begins in early January.  

I've always been interested to see how my body would respond when dieting down for a contest, so I've decided to go for it.  Several of the guys at my gym have been asking me if I was getting ready for a contest (as I'm pretty lean right now), so why not give it a go and see what happens?

As you would already have figured, I will not be following TA's diet.  I believe that the COMPOSITION of calories is important and I want to maximize the nutritional value of any foods I consume.  TA's diet is not for serious competitive bodybuilders.  TA's diet sounds more like WEIGHT WATCHERS.

[wavelength]

Yes, I am a 25 yr old lifetime natural.  I am going to compete at my first contest in late April/early May; the contest I will be entering has not decided on an exact date yet.  I have a blog I will be making public detailing my contest prep once it begins in early January.  

I've always been interested to see how my body would respond when dieting down for a contest, so I've decided to go for it.  Several of the guys at my gym have been asking me if I was getting ready for a contest (as I'm pretty lean right now), so why not give it a go and see what happens?

As you would already have figured, I will not be following TA's diet.  I believe that the COMPOSITION of calories is important and I want to maximize the nutritional value of any foods I consume.  TA's diet is not for serious competitive bodybuilders.  TA's diet sounds more like WEIGHT WATCHERS.

got any pics?

[PJim]

I agree with TA about the weight range of a well-conditioned natural bodybuilder. If you are between 5'8 and 5'11 (the average height is in there somewhere) then you are not going to weigh over 200 pounds ripped. It is just not plausible. I have been ripped to the bone at 130 pounds at a height of 5'10 at the age of 16 with minimal muscle but good structure due to no training and after my 5 years of training I am now in that same condition at 160 pounds. I do not think somehow after my hormone levels have already started to decline due to the onset of ageing that I am going to add another 40 pounds of pure muscle in the forseeable future. I like TA have "bulked" and been in denial about my actual muscular weight, I've been 210 at 5'10 thinking I'm going to diet down to 185 ripped; no chance. For all you obese, natural bodybuilders, trim the fat and face facts.

[Relentless]

Even steroids won't help someone hold size while using the Adonis diet.

Someone who uses the Adonis diet isn't very serious about building muscle for competitive bodybuilding in the first place, why would they use steroids?

[wavelength]

I agree with TA about the weight range of a well-conditioned natural bodybuilder. If you are between 5'8 and 5'11 (the average height is in there somewhere) then you are not going to weigh over 200 pounds ripped. It is just not plausible. I have been ripped to the bone at 130 pounds at a height of 5'10 at the age of 16 with minimal muscle but good structure due to no training and after my 5 years of training I am now in that same condition at 160 pounds. I do not think somehow after my hormone levels have already started to decline due to the onset of ageing that I am going to add another 40 pounds of pure muscle in the forseeable future. I like TA have "bulked" and been in denial about my actual muscular weight, I've been 210 at 5'10 thinking I'm going to diet down to 185 ripped; no chance. For all you obese, natural bodybuilders, trim the fat and face facts.

Sounds about right, I'm also 5'10 and came down to about 150lbs although with a bad starting point, mass wise.

[wavelength]

Someone who uses the Adonis diet isn't very serious about building muscle for competitive bodybuilding in the first place, why would they use steroids?

I tried different diets and the one I'm using now is the winner. My seriousness did not change, just my method.

[Relentless]

I agree with TA about the weight range of a well-conditioned natural bodybuilder. If you are between 5'8 and 5'11 (the average height is in there somewhere) then you are not going to weigh over 200 pounds ripped. It is just not plausible. I have been ripped to the bone at 130 pounds at a height of 5'10 at the age of 16 with minimal muscle but good structure due to no training and after my 5 years of training I am now in that same condition at 160 pounds. I do not think somehow after my hormone levels have already started to decline due to the onset of ageing that I am going to add another 40 pounds of pure muscle in the forseeable future. I like TA have "bulked" and been in denial about my actual muscular weight, I've been 210 at 5'10 thinking I'm going to diet down to 185 ripped; no chance. For all you obese, natural bodybuilders, trim the fat and face facts.

I think what TA said is GENERALLY true, but not always.  I have a good friend who is 260 and natural; I've seen him at 205 SHREDDED.

It might be true the majority of the time, but not all of the time.  TA doesn't know enough about bodybuilding and what constitutes GOOD GENETICS to make an absolute statement.  

[Relentless]

got any pics?

I'll link you guys to my blog once contest prep has gotten underway.  Unlike TA, I will be hitting all 7 mandatory poses...not just side shots with tank tops.

[The True Adonis]

I agree with TA about the weight range of a well-conditioned natural bodybuilder. If you are between 5'8 and 5'11 (the average height is in there somewhere) then you are not going to weigh over 200 pounds ripped. It is just not plausible. I have been ripped to the bone at 130 pounds at a height of 5'10 at the age of 16 with minimal muscle but good structure due to no training and after my 5 years of training I am now in that same condition at 160 pounds. I do not think somehow after my hormone levels have already started to decline due to the onset of ageing that I am going to add another 40 pounds of pure muscle in the forseeable future. I like TA have "bulked" and been in denial about my actual muscular weight, I've been 210 at 5'10 thinking I'm going to diet down to 185 ripped; no chance. For all you obese, natural bodybuilders, trim the fat and face facts.

Great piece of advice here. Simple and effective.  I especially adore the final Sentence.  "Trim the fat and face the Facts".

You oughta make that your signature.

[wavelength]

I'll link you guys to my blog once contest prep has gotten underway.  Unlike TA, I will be hitting all 7 mandatory poses...not just side shots with tank tops.

Gonna be interesting. What's your height, weight, and BF right now?

[The True Adonis]

I think what TA said is GENERALLY true, but not always.  I have a good friend who is 260 and natural; I've seen him at 205 SHREDDED.

It might be true the majority of the time, but not all of the time.  TA doesn't know enough about bodybuilding and what constitutes GOOD GENETICS to make an absolute statement.  

Oh trust me, I am sure I know more about the subject than you think- From Bobby Pandour and Professor Atilla at the turn of the century to Dennis Wolf and Roger Callendar in between them.

I know bodybuilding.  Especially the history of it and who makes up that sometimes illustrious history.