ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[Cleanest Natural]

True but I don't understand why you say refined sugar provides NOTHING. I think we can agree that refined sugar doesn't add much other than pure energy and may even "rob" the body of other nutrients, but to say it provides NOTHING seems strange.

I'll give you strange ...

IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF OUR BODIES ADAPTING OUR PANCREATIC FUNCTION AS WELL AS OTHER PROCESSES TO NEVERENDING CHANGES IN NUTRIENT SOURCES , QUALITY, AND VARIETY DEPENDING ON TIME/PLACE/GENETIC MAKEUP ...AS OF RIGHT NOW'S WAY OF EATING .. REFINED SUGAR WOULD KILL US EVEN IN SMALL DOSES!!!!

I'm not making this up.

[DK II]

I understand you are trying to say here, but you're missing an important point.

THE MANNER OF WHICH YOU CONDUCT CONVERSATION AND INTERACT WITH PEOPLE IS KEY TO THEM SEEING YOUR VIEWPOINT OR IDEAS WITH 100% CLARITY.  YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUS, DEMEANING, NEGATIVE AND CONDESCENDING MANNER WILL NOT ALLOW OTHERS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

You don't know how to communicate effectively, TA.  Who wants to listen to a jerk like you?  You'll never convince anyone or anything with that abrasive personality.

Superb post. 100% spot on.

[Cleanest Natural]

Flex do you also think that if you would add refined sugar to your maintenance diet you would start to lose weight?

you keep hammering away w/ the same technique .. you get DISGUSTED to say a certain thing than you take it out of context and you use it later trying to get him to infirm his own statement

This is an old and boring technique that I noticed you pulling all over this thread .

You are either incredibly stupid and don';t get it, or you are indeed Adonis's gimmick ...

I suspect the latter as his technique might come from debating which he always bragged about ...

Again Adonis : I can read you easily my abused friend

[Cleanest Natural]

Hmmmm, you both seem to think refined sugar has no nutrional value yet Disgusted thinks I would lose weight while you think I would gain weight.

Again ! You pull the same shit ..only this time you use flex as a contra argument to Disgusted as he was his client..you try to get Disgusted to state conflicting shit so he would discredit himself .. he called Apenis once on this already ...

See what I mean ?

Who the fuck you think you're fooling hombre ?

[Cleanest Natural]

Thats not what u asked me..........u asked if i thought I would gain weight.

To which i answered YES!!!

Dont twist my words

See flex what he does ??

It's Apenis's same tehnique ..

[Cleanest Natural]

Honestly, how am I twisting your words? I just repeated what you said: refined sugar has no nutritional value and I would gain weight, correct?

You must be fantastic in sales :

you can manipulate a conversation twisting previous statements to benefit your argument ... using ones statements against himself

you also lie with a straight face

[Cleanest Natural]

And fruits and vegetables.

Also, Europeans are poorly adapted for a similar diet as this type of diet was not eaten by Europeans and did not impose Natural Seletion.  Just as the Innuit are not adapted to drinking milk via Natural Selection.

There is no natural selection retard ... races were created and subsequently p[laced in certain locations, and their diets were adapted to what the landscape had to offer

This is the reason the original lyran empire ( human ) when it split it evolved in so many diff races

The human race has to evolve and adapt to it's environment constantly otherwise it becomes stagnant and dies ...

the reptilian race remains unchanged throughout the aeons ...

[Cleanest Natural]

Wait a minute.
In the past, you claimed that with your diet it is possible to eat whatever.
When asked if drinking beer only would be ok, you said that was fine as long as the calories were monitored.

You then said that high protein diets are a myth and that you ate cerca 50-60 grams of protein each day.

Now all of a sudden you recommend a healthy, balanced diet, with moderate amounts of protein.
A diet which most of us here probably would agree on.
Something doesn't add up.
Why not just admit you were wrong with the whole 'adonis diet project'.
How about instead trying to find a good use for the knowledge you must have been collecting over time on nutrition.
How about selling nutrition advices in your hometown to older people or start up with some little league team.
Cause you sure as hell ain't getting anywhere here with that old bullshit of yours.
Your new diet ideas seem dandy and all.
Only one problem though - it's not something new and if you try preaching basic healthy diet to people who already know about that shit..
You will have reactions.
So do a market analysis, find a target group and hook up 240 for a website.
You don't see Coach trying to tell everyone how to train, right?   

Thank you Hedge ...

This guy changes things and sidesteps issues with such grace that Fred Astaire is twisting in his grave w/ envy..

[DK II]

Wait a minute.
In the past, you claimed that with your diet it is possible to eat whatever.
When asked if drinking beer only would be ok, you said that was fine as long as the calories were monitored.

You then said that high protein diets are a myth and that you ate cerca 50-60 grams of protein each day.

Now all of a sudden you recommend a healthy, balanced diet, with moderate amounts of protein.
A diet which most of us here probably would agree on.
Something doesn't add up.
Why not just admit you were wrong with the whole 'adonis diet project'.
How about instead trying to find a good use for the knowledge you must have been collecting over time on nutrition.
How about selling nutrition advices in your hometown to older people or start up with some little league team.
Cause you sure as hell ain't getting anywhere here with that old bullshit of yours.
Your new diet ideas seem dandy and all.
Only one problem though - it's not something new and if you try preaching basic healthy diet to people who already know about that shit..
You will have reactions.
So do a market analysis, find a target group and hook up 240 for a website.
You don't see Coach trying to tell everyone how to train, right?   

Thank you Hedge.

TA was trying to bullshit everyone again.

[Fatpanda]

I have ALWAYS and STILL MANTAIN that a Calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro Nutrient.  1 calorie of paper clips=1 calorie of carbs=1 calorie of shampoo=1 calorie of fat=1 calorie of diamond and so on....

Protein is not a Carbohydrate, Carbohydrates are not a Fat, Fats are not a Protein and so on....

I have said this since day one.

The poor comprehension skills of most members on here is astounding.  

hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha

don't forget, a cat is not a dog, a plane is not a boat, AXA is not a bodybuilder, and you are not intelligent.

[Fatpanda]

In the picyou posted you needed aas to maintain muscle whilebeing that cut ( fatburners and or t3 also )

you are lieing although you'd never admit it

i agree 100% seva - total lier.

apart from the gyno, condition and muscle mass you have to ask why would a guy who claims to have ever taken steroids chose a screen name drugfre4life 

you wouldn't even thing about drugs if you have never taken them.

to chose a screen name that shouts your innocence is a massive sign to me.

[Gino30]

You are just wasting your time.  It could be better spent learning how to comprehend what you read and remembering the context.

ah, the good old context....

that way you can change the meaning anyway you like based on the "context"

you're nothing but cut and paste, regurgitation, diet hero....a hack, wannabe guru.....it does show

[DK II]

ah, the good old context....

that way you can change the meaning anyway you like based on the "context"

you're nothing but cut and paste, regurgitation, diet hero....a hack, wannabe guru.....it does show

spot on.

Over time, he changed everything so often that there are hundreds of versions of his "principles", but still the fact remains: At first, he told everyone that you can be a perfect BB with only drinking coke or eating ice cream.

[wavelength]

...
Not the FUCKING ISSUE. Did you get ripped on fucking Mickey D's and ben and jerry's ?
...

I said multiple times that my diet was not exactly as the one layed out by Disgusted. I asked you multiple times to say exactly what you think I'm lying about. You never came clear about that, you said you will let others do that job. I really don't understand what's the big problem, I was not out to insult you. How would you react if someone called you a liar and you know that you were telling the truth?

If you are not an expert why are you arguing ?
My newest theory is that You might be Adam's gimmick..
Your styles are VERY similar in sidestepping the issue at hand and arguing a point

I just asked a simple question to Disgusted, he could have ended it right there by answering instead of coming back with another question himself. That's why I asked the question again.

I'll give you strange ...
IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF OUR BODIES ADAPTING OUR PANCREATIC FUNCTION AS WELL AS OTHER PROCESSES TO NEVERENDING CHANGES IN NUTRIENT SOURCES , QUALITY, AND VARIETY DEPENDING ON TIME/PLACE/GENETIC MAKEUP ...AS OF RIGHT NOW'S WAY OF EATING .. REFINED SUGAR WOULD KILL US EVEN IN SMALL DOSES!!!!
I'm not making this up.

That was not the topic I asked Disgusted about. I said in one of my posts that I understand that his main point was that refined sugar is not very beneficial in a diet.

you keep hammering away w/ the same technique .. you get DISGUSTED to say a certain thing than you take it out of context and you use it later trying to get him to infirm his own statement
This is an old and boring technique that I noticed you pulling all over this thread .
You are either incredibly stupid and don';t get it, or you are indeed Adonis's gimmick ...
I suspect the latter as his technique might come from debating which he always bragged about ...
Again Adonis : I can read you easily my abused friend

It was really not my intention to get him to say anything. I have never heard the claims he made in this thread (questioning if refined sugar is a carb, saying refined sugar provides NO nutrition, etc.), that's why I kept asking. I even asked again, because I thought I may have misunderstood something the first time around.

Again ! You pull the same shit ..only this time you use flex as a contra argument to Disgusted as he was his client..you try to get Disgusted to state conflicting shit so he would discredit himself .. he called Apenis once on this already ...
See what I mean ?
Who the fuck you think you're fooling hombre ?

I also asked Adonis what he thinks about it, those were the people active in the thread at that time. If you hear something that you never heard before, wouldn't you ask other people if they thought it was true? I also googled the topic right away and couldn't find any references. The misunderstanding between Flex and me was easily resolved.

you also lie with a straight face

I never lied about anything in this thread or in any post I ever made on this board. Find me one post I ever made on this board you can prove I lied about. I will immediately delete my account if you can.

Sorry again if I insulted you or Disgusted, I can guarantee you it was not my intention. I'm just an inquisitive mind when it comes to things I never heard before.

[windsor88]

dude you don"t have to address that fool.  He hold ZERO merit.

[wavelength]

Wait a minute.
In the past, you claimed that with your diet it is possible to eat whatever.
When asked if drinking beer only would be ok, you said that was fine as long as the calories were monitored.

I would really be interested in seeing such a post of TA. If it exists, I don't agree with that of course.

[Deicide]

dude you don"t have to address that fool.  He hold ZERO merit.

Hmm...

[Deicide]

I said multiple times that my diet was not exactly as the one layed out by Disgusted. I asked you multiple times to say exactly what you think I'm lying about. You never came clear about that, you said you will let others do that job. I really don't understand what's the big problem, I was not out to insult you. How would you react if someone called you a liar and you know that you were telling the truth?

I just asked a simple question to Disgusted, he could have ended it right there by answering instead of coming back with another question himself. That's why I asked the question again.

That was not the topic I asked Disgusted about. I said in one of my posts that I understand that his main point was that refined sugar is not very beneficial in a diet.

It was really not my intention to get him to say anything. I have never heard the claims he made in this thread (questioning if refined sugar is a carb, saying refined sugar provides NO nutrition, etc.), that's why I kept asking. I even asked again, because I thought I may have misunderstood something the first time around.

I also asked Adonis what he thinks about it, those were the people active in the thread at that time. If you hear something that you never heard before, wouldn't you ask other people if they thought it was true? I also googled the topic right away and couldn't find any references. The misunderstanding between Flex and me was easily resolved.

I never lied about anything in this thread or in any post I ever made on this board. Find me one post I ever made on this board you can prove I lied about. I will immediately delete my account if you can.

Sorry again if I insulted you or Disgusted, I can guarantee you it was not my intention. I'm just an inquisitive mind when it comes to things I never heard before.

How many words a minute can you type?

[wavelength]

How many words a minute can you type?

I just woke up and saw all the posts of sev. I really don't understand what made him attack me, I can't see what I did wrong in this thread. Maybe I was too pushy...

[Deicide]

I just woke up and saw all the posts of sev. I really don't understand what made him attack me, I can't see what I did wrong in this thread. Maybe I was too pushy...

He's weird. Still, you do have your ways as I can fully attest to...

You didn't answer my question: how words a minute can you type?

[wavelength]

He's weird. Still, you do have your ways as I can fully attest to...

You didn't answer my question: how words a minute can you type?

I have no idea, I think it's avarage.

[Deicide]

I have no idea, I think it's avarage.

Komisch dafuer, dass du Informatiker bist...

Wie dick bist du im Moment?

[wavelength]

Komisch dafuer, dass du Informatiker bist...

Wie dick bist du im Moment?

Still hovering around 150lbs, unfortunally body composition getting worse,  can't train at all right now, injury, flu.
Do you think I lied about my diet or that I used drugs? I'm a tiny guy who managed to get decently lean with an unconventional diet approach.

[wavelength]

dude you don"t have to address that fool.  He hold ZERO merit.

If this was directed at me, I disagree. I think Sev holds a lot of merit. If he thinks I'm lying about anything, he's off, though. He even suggests that I could be a gimmick of Adonis, which can easily be refuted.

[Fatpanda]

haha! if u think a multi vitamin will stop u from getting heart disease or cancer! YOUR AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!

what else does vitamins and minerals do  they keep you healthy.

its clear you're the idiot.