ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[Krankenstein]

i agree 100% seva - total lier.

apart from the gyno, condition and muscle mass you have to ask why would a guy who claims to have ever taken steroids chose a screen name drugfre4life 

you wouldn't even thing about drugs if you have never taken them.

to chose a screen name that shouts your innocence is a massive sign to me.

PLEASE!!!  I love it.  I really do.  Conditioning??  Wow...if you think my conditioning makes me out to be a drug user...then you should be SCREAMING that Brian Whitacre is a huge drug user.  Panda...I really had some great respect for you from that training thread.....but you really took some huge leaps backwards.

As far as the screen name.....umm....its because I am proud of my drug free status.  On other boards my name is similar.  Have we ever seen a picture of you Panda?  I have been doing this (bodybuilding) for about 24 - 25 years.  It USED to get to me.  Now, I laugh it off.  I have busted my ass to get where I am at.  I have competed at about the same weight since 2002 when I got back into competing.  Wow...steroids work for me!!! HA HA

Like I offered Sevasgina....want my routine (workout, cardio, supps) so you can see what I did?

[wavelength]

Sev you seem like a guy who is willing to try new things, why not just try the diet I have laid out for one of your next cuts? I will never be able to convince you that I don't lie simply because I can't prove what I eat every day. But you should at least try yourself before you call me a liar.

[Fatpanda]

PLEASE!!!  I love it.  I really do.  Conditioning??  Wow...if you think my conditioning makes me out to be a drug user...then you should be SCREAMING that Brian Whitacre is a huge drug user.  Panda...I really had some great respect for you from that training thread.....but you really took some huge leaps backwards.

As far as the screen name.....umm....its because I am proud of my drug free status.  On other boards my name is similar.  Have we ever seen a picture of you Panda?  I have been doing this (bodybuilding) for about 24 - 25 years.  It USED to get to me.  Now, I laugh it off.  I have busted my ass to get where I am at.  I have competed at about the same weight since 2002 when I got back into competing.  Wow...steroids work for me!!! HA HA

Like I offered Sevasgina....want my routine (workout, cardio, supps) so you can see what I did?

  ROID RAGE

[Fatpanda]

i could never do jims burger diet 

you would only eat once a day, and workout, work, etc.

no thanks.

[Fatpanda]

PLEASE!!!  I love it.  I really do.  Conditioning??  Wow...if you think my conditioning makes me out to be a drug user...then you should be SCREAMING that Brian Whitacre is a huge drug user.  Panda...I really had some great respect for you from that training thread.....but you really took some huge leaps backwards.

As far as the screen name.....umm....its because I am proud of my drug free status.  On other boards my name is similar.  Have we ever seen a picture of you Panda?  I have been doing this (bodybuilding) for about 24 - 25 years.  It USED to get to me.  Now, I laugh it off.  I have busted my ass to get where I am at.  I have competed at about the same weight since 2002 when I got back into competing.  Wow...steroids work for me!!! HA HA

Like I offered Sevasgina....want my routine (workout, cardio, supps) so you can see what I did?

you are bigger than brian whitacre, in fact you are bigger and more conditioned than many 50's and 60's bodybuilders who did take steroids - think frank zane.

pics of me or not, i out weigh you by almost 100lbs - however i am fat too.

i do not see how this effects my ability to tell if someone is a lifetime natural or not. perhaps the pro hormones simply had a good effect.

[Krankenstein]

ROID RAGE

Yeah...I am sitting here bashing my keyboard.  Total rage...perhaps you missed the part where I said I have been bodybuilding for 20+ years.  I never said Brian wasnt bigger than me.  I was pointing out how much greater conditioned he is than me.  You saying he does illegal things to get into that condition?

As far as Zane goes...wasnt he quite the ectomorph?  His conditioning is FAR better than mine.  As far as your ability to detect if someone is lying....well, one would suspect that your judgement is slightly jaded if you yourself cant attain any respectable condition.  Easy to point your fingers when you cant get it done.

Like I said...and continue to say....want my whole program?  You will see what I did to diet for that show.  If you dont...then I would suggest you find another target to point the accusatory finger at.  Either way, I know what my status is. 

[Fatpanda]

post more pics, your program and your diet and supps and i will give you my final verdict.

however as it stands, yes -  i believe you have used more than good wholesome food unless the prohormones had a real steroid like effect.

[Deicide]

Sev you seem like a guy who is willing to try new things, why not just try the diet I have layed out for one of your next cuts? I will never be able to convince you that I don't lie simply because I can't prove what I eat every day. But you should at least try yourself before you call me a liar.

Laid.

[Krankenstein]

post more pics, your program and your diet and supps and i will give you my final verdict.

however as it stands, yes -  i believe you have used more than good wholesome food unless the prohormones had a real steroid like effect.

Here is a week of my eating.....

[MindSpin]

I think you're discrediting the guy; he's good at something:

Anyone remember 2yrs ago when he called HR at my workplace trying to get me in trouble? Sicker than chlamydia. 

We have some serious nuts on this site.  

[Krankenstein]

Supplements I used:

Scivation Xtend = 5gm between meals, 10gm after workout, 10gm before bed
Chromium Polynicotinate + Vanadyle Sulfate = 1cap/tab before each meal, 2 caps/tabs prior to bed
Extreme Labs Blade Hardcore (ehpedrine free) = 2 caps in morning before breakfast, sometimes one cap before leg days

Extreme Labs Glutamine = 20gms daily divided up with Xtend, 10gm at bedtime
Extreme Labs Pro Lean Mass Extreme - as my protein powder
Beta Alanine = 2gm before and after training

[mazrim]

I understand you are trying to say here, but you're missing an important point.

THE MANNER OF WHICH YOU CONDUCT CONVERSATION AND INTERACT WITH PEOPLE IS KEY TO THEM SEEING YOUR VIEWPOINT OR IDEAS WITH 100% CLARITY.  YOUR SELF-RIGHTEOUS, DEMEANING, NEGATIVE AND CONDESCENDING MANNER WILL NOT ALLOW OTHERS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

You don't know how to communicate effectively, TA.  Who wants to listen to a jerk like you?  You'll never convince anyone or anything with that abrasive personality.

That has nothing to do with being right or wrong however. You're overly emotional.

[wavelength]

Laid.

thanks!

[Fatpanda]

personally i believe you are wasting your time with most of those supplements.

where are your other pics ?

[Krankenstein]

personally i believe you are wasting your time with most of those supplements.

where are your other pics ?

Pics of?

Personally believe huh?  You outweigh me by 100lbs....fat weight.....I do shows and you are telling me what supps are good and which arent.  All have some solid research behind them.  So, perhaps you should focus on dropping some of that bodyfat rather than making accusations like you did.  I am copying my training journal this morning and will upload EXACT pages from it.

[Tapeworm]

We have some serious nuts on this site.  

The pissing or the calling? 

Careful.  A 3/4 Getbig vote overrules.

[onlyme]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

don't forget, a cat is not a dog, a plane is not a boat, AXA is not a bodybuilder, and you are not intelligent.

ROFL

[Fatpanda]

Pics of?

Personally believe huh?  You outweigh me by 100lbs....fat weight.....I do shows and you are telling me what supps are good and which arent.  All have some solid research behind them.  So, perhaps you should focus on dropping some of that bodyfat rather than making accusations like you did.  I am copying my training journal this morning and will upload EXACT pages from it.

hahahaha

your in quite the meltdown here juicer.

i would like to see more pics of you - fron relexed, double bi, rear lat, etc then i will give you my final verdict on if you are a juicer or not, although you already have bigger arms that zane  

i did not say i was 100lbs of fat, you are assuming. i would say i have perhaps 50-60 lbs of fat tops.

as for your supplements  

please post your research that proves their effectiveness.

leave out the protein powder - thats the only one i believe has any real reason to be used - the glutamine and bcca's are already in it, so adding more products like the xtend and glutamine is a waste of money.

[DK II]

Laid.

Are you saying, sebastian should get laid more often?

[Relentless]

meltdown !

Just messing w/ you bro ...

My problem is that you posted your shots a while back and said that the Adonis principles work .

When in fact you lost weight and got ripped like any of us : STRICT DIETING.

You did not eat junk to get where you got.

Why would you endorse this liar is beyond me.

I get infuriated because everyone with a gram of knowledge can see Adonis is full of shit.

QFT!  Great post.

[wavelength]

Are you saying, sebastian should get laid more often?

Neither would I be able to make such judgement, nor would his posting style indicate that presumption.

[wavelength]

QFT!  Great post.

So you also think I'm lying, Relentless?

[Fatpanda]

wave do you have a front relaxed pic?

[wavelength]

wave do you have a front relaxed pic?

Don't think so, but all my pics are in my thread (under my profile webpage).
In other poses I look a lot smaller.

[The True Adonis]

Keats?

No. I made that one up.  I am a huge fan of Keats and Shelley though!