ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[Krankenstein]

hahahaha

your in quite the meltdown here juicer.

i would like to see more pics of you - fron relexed, double bi, rear lat, etc then i will give you my final verdict on if you are a juicer or not, although you already have bigger arms that zane  

i did not say i was 100lbs of fat, you are assuming. i would say i have perhaps 50-60 lbs of fat tops.

as for your supplements  

please post your research that proves their effectiveness.

leave out the protein powder - thats the only one i believe has any real reason to be used - the glutamine and bcca's are already in it, so adding more products like the xtend and glutamine is a waste of money.

Meltdown?  HA HA HA.....far from it.  I am enjoying having someone like you point the finger at someone like me.  As far as your 'final verdict'.....wow...my life and my success depends on YOUR verdict.  Seriously.  Who are you...and why do you think you matter?  You dont.

Now...are you natural?  If you say you are...then you perhaps should be the one we are scrutinizing.  You say you weight 100lbs more than me...say you made that claim for my contest weight.  That would make you 288lbs.  You say maybe 50 - 60lbs of it are fat.  That means you would have 40lbs more muscle than me.  So, lets see....who should be the one questioning who about juicing?

Again, you are like most who disagree with supplement use and make the claims you did about effectiveness of it.  I will post some more pics if we can see what you are presenting too.

[The True Adonis]

Drugfree4life aka Curt is Natural and by far one of the Top Naturals. 

[Fatpanda]

Meltdown?  HA HA HA.....far from it.  I am enjoying having someone like you point the finger at someone like me.  As far as your 'final verdict'.....wow...my life and my success depends on YOUR verdict.  Seriously.  Who are you...and why do you think you matter?  You dont.

Again, you are like most who disagree with supplement use and make the claims you did about effectiveness of it.  I will post some more pics if we can see what you are presenting too.

hahahahahaha i clearly do matter judging by your meltdown of epic proportions.

calm down drugs4life.

i would like to believe you have managed to do what the steroid users of the past have been unable to do, once you post further pics i will readily admit if i feel i have been mistaken.

the supplements you use have no significant benefit - show me the studies that prove otherwise.

[Krankenstein]

hahahahahaha i clearly do matter judging by your meltdown of epic proportions.

calm down drugs4life.

i would like to believe you have managed to do what the steroid users of the past have been unable to do, once you post further pics i will readily admit if i feel i have been mistaken.

the supplements you use have no significant benefit - show me the studies that prove otherwise.

Wow....a fatass is telling me I am melting down.  Are you just so frustrated that you will never see your abs that you will go to the extent you are to claim I am a user?

I am in your mind now....

[The True Adonis]

Wow....a fatass is telling me I am melting down.  Are you just so frustrated that you will never see your abs that you will go to the extent you are to claim I am a user?

I am in your mind now....

Curt,

I am not familiar as to how Username FatPanda looks regarding his physique. Any links or pics?

[Fatpanda]

Wow....a fatass is telling me I am melting down.  Are you just so frustrated that you will never see your abs that you will go to the extent you are to claim I am a user?

I am in your mind now....

where are those other pics big stuff.

still waiting.

[ASJChaotic]

Curt,

I am not familiar as to how Username FatPanda looks regarding his physique. Any links or pics?

all we do know, is that he is fat 

[Fatpanda]

all we do know, is that he is fat 

hahahahaha genius

[Fatpanda]

here we go 1st pic npc steroid using athlete.

2nd pic drugs4life - a natural athlete. 

so either the first guy is a disgrace to bodybuilding or drugs4life is the greatest natural ever.

or maybe drugs4life is really a liar.

[DK II]

here we go 1st pic npc steroid using athlete.

2nd pic drugs4life - a natural athlete. 

so either the first guy is a disgrace to bodybuilding or drugs4life is the greatest natural ever.

or maybe drugs4life is really a liar.

did the first guy tell you he does roids?

maybe he is natural too, ever considered that? 

[Fatpanda]

did the first guy tell you he does roids?

maybe he is natural too, ever considered that? 

oh shit, maybe.

and this guy, who most of getbig believe is a steroid user is probably really a natural too, because drugs4life blows him away.

[Krankenstein]

where are those other pics big stuff.

still waiting.

Heres the deal.....more pics of me PROVIDED you post YOURS.  Care to take me up on it? 

[The True Adonis]

Heres the deal.....more pics of me PROVIDED you post YOURS.  Care to take me up on it? 

I bet he will be too ashamed to post his pictures.  No clue why considering he seems to have some time invested in the gym. I think anyways.

This oughta be good. 

[Fatpanda]

Heres the deal.....more pics of me PROVIDED you post YOURS.  Care to take me up on it? 

i have nothing to prove, why would i post my pics.

i feel you are a steroid user, based on the comparison with that npc guy - its even more clear.

i expected you would find some excuse to not post furtherpics.

you know that you will be exposed further if you post more pics.

thanks for playing, but please remember its not good for your blood pressure getting owned on getbig while on gear.  

[Krankenstein]

here we go 1st pic npc steroid using athlete.

2nd pic drugs4life - a natural athlete. 

so either the first guy is a disgrace to bodybuilding or drugs4life is the greatest natural ever.

or maybe drugs4life is really a liar.

Lets see....his condition is WAY better than mine.  Again.....you going to say Brian Whitacre uses shit?  His condition blows away a TON of people.  Also, lets see....I got 8th out of 10 in my first pro show weighing about 192....I came in 4 - 5 POUNDS lighter and got 4th.  Why?  Because I made the extra effort with my diet and cardio.  If I was using wouldnt I be coming in at the same if not MORE and be better conditioned?

FatPants......no matter what I say...what I post....what I show in way of pics....you will still claim I use.  So, there is no upside to this for me other than this...I wake up EVERY DAY and know that I havent used.  I go to the gym every day and train as hard as I can and am happy with what I did because the gains are from my own effort and not steroids.  I do not begrudge any who use.  NONE.  I dont give a flying fuck who does and who doesnt.  I know I dont...and thats all thats going to matter here now isnt it?  

So, we can continue with this....or I could do this....I will prep you for a show the same way I prepped myself for my last show.  If you follow through with it....I will even pay you back for your entry fee.  You will, however, have to post your pics of progress, diet, receipts for grocery....just to prove you are doing what you say you are doing.  Deal?

[Fatpanda]

I bet he will be too ashamed to post his pictures.  No clue why considering he seems to have some time invested in the gym. I think anyways.

This oughta be good. 

i am still waiting on you proving your outlandish claims that to put on mass you shouldn't eat more - when you can provide me with a study that backs this claim i will post all the pics you want - agreed?

[ASJChaotic]

i have nothing to prove, why would i post my pics.

i feel you are a steroid user, based on the comparison with that npc guy - its even more clear.

i expected you would find some excuse to not post furtherpics.

you know that you will be exposed further if you post more pics.

thanks for playing, but please remember its not good for your blood pressure getting owned on getbig while on gear.  

tell you what
if a person can't reach levels of Drugfree4life and Whateva
NATURALLY
we all might as well quit lifting weights
if everybody is doomed to look like crap naturally, I will honestly never touch a weight again
there are some GREAT naturals out there
who DESTROY steroid users
that gives me, and other naturals who haven't reached levels of Drugfree4life hope

[ASJChaotic]

i am still waiting on you proving your outlandish claims that to put on mass you shouldn't eat more - when you can provide me with a study that backs this claim i will post all the pics you want - agreed?

Here you go Panda
Epic ownage
now post your pics







                           Diet        Exercise      Diet & Exercise
Weight (lbs)          -11.7       -10.6          -12
Fat (lbs)               -9.3        -12.6          -13
Lean mass (lbs)      -2.4         +2.0           +1

The group that exercised and dieted lost more fat than the groups that either dieted or exercised alone. The group that exercised gained the most muscle mass and interestingly, lost more body fat as compared to the diet group, although weight loss was marginally less. This study also demonstrates that exercise can maintain (and increase) lean mass while dieting.








Zuti, W.B. & Golding, L.A. The Physician and Sports Medicine. 4 (1): 49-53, 1976.

[Fatpanda]

Lets see....his condition is WAY better than mine.  Again.....you going to say Brian Whitacre uses shit?  His condition blows away a TON of people.  Also, lets see....I got 8th out of 10 in my first pro show weighing about 192....I came in 4 - 5 POUNDS lighter and got 4th.  Why?  Because I made the extra effort with my diet and cardio.  If I was using wouldnt I be coming in at the same if not MORE and be better conditioned?

FatPants......no matter what I say...what I post....what I show in way of pics....you will still claim I use.  So, there is no upside to this for me other than this...I wake up EVERY DAY and know that I havent used.  I go to the gym every day and train as hard as I can and am happy with what I did because the gains are from my own effort and not steroids.  I do not begrudge any who use.  NONE.  I dont give a flying fuck who does and who doesnt.  I know I dont...and thats all thats going to matter here now isnt it?  

So, we can continue with this....or I could do this....I will prep you for a show the same way I prepped myself for my last show.  If you follow through with it....I will even pay you back for your entry fee.  You will, however, have to post your pics of progress, diet, receipts for grocery....just to prove you are doing what you say you are doing.  Deal?

i don't see the problem here. i said you looked like you were on gear, you denied it. i openly said i may be wrong, however i would like to see more pics first - you have refused, gotten defensive and hurled insults at me.

post a few more pics - thats all i'm asking.

your defensive/offensive posts, are quite revealing to me, along with your screen name.

it's similar to a screen name like hetro4life - a clear sign to me.

thats a nice offer you made, however i have no wish to enter a show.

i also know how to diet while keeping muscle - and you can be sure its not through the adonis principles  

i have been doing this for the past month, and will probably take a break over xmas, before starting again in jan, and keep going till i am happy.

[Krankenstein]

tell you what
if a person can't reach levels of Drugfree4life and Whateva
NATURALLY
we all might as well quit lifting weights
if everybody is doomed to look like crap naturally, I will honestly never touch a weight again
there are some GREAT naturals out there
who DESTROY steroid users
that gives me, and other naturals who haven't reached levels of Drugfree4life hope

Heres the thing.....I am NOT THE PINNACLE of drug free bodybuilding.  Look at guys like Brian Whitacre, Scott Trout, even Layne Norton.  I mean, come on....Layne comes in better condition than me and I dont think there is any doubt he is 'enhanced'.  It really is disappointing to see guys like Panda throw the accusatory finger around when someone looks better than they themselves have ever tried to look like.  In a way, I see why Adam acts the way he does.  He has found a formula for his success and is able to maintain great conditioning....and still people say he cant do it.

Anyway.....just to show I am FAR from embarrassed about what I have attained....or what I look like...here ya go.

[Fatpanda]

Here you go Panda
Epic ownage
now post your pics







                           Diet        Exercise      Diet & Exercise
Weight (lbs)          -11.7       -10.6          -12
Fat (lbs)               -9.3        -12.6          -13
Lean mass (lbs)      -2.4         +2.0           +1

The group that exercised and dieted lost more fat than the groups that either dieted or exercised alone. The group that exercised gained the most muscle mass and interestingly, lost more body fat as compared to the diet group, although weight loss was marginally less. This study also demonstrates that exercise can maintain (and increase) lean mass while dieting.








Zuti, W.B. & Golding, L.A. The Physician and Sports Medicine. 4 (1): 49-53, 1976.

  look you clown , that was done on obese women who have never exercised before.

it does not prove adonis's claim.

[Krankenstein]

i don't see the problem here. i said you looked like you were on gear, you denied it. i openly said i may be wrong, however i would like to see more pics first - you have refused, gotten defensive and hurled insults at me.

post a few more pics - thats all i'm asking.

your defensive/offensive posts, are quite revealing to me, along with your screen name.

it's similar to a screen name like hetro4life - a clear sign to me.

thats a nice offer you made, however i have no wish to enter a show.

i also know how to diet while keeping muscle - and you can be sure its not through the adonis principles  

i have been doing this for the past month, and will probably take a break over xmas, before starting again in jan, and keep going till i am happy.

Just because someone defends their position doesnt mean they are defensive.  At least in my book.  I tried to get you to post your pics as a comparison to mine to see how someone like you can make the assertions you did.  You are the one who refused.  As far as my screen name goes...again, I am damn proud of what I have achieved via the route in which I took to achieve it.  If I was on heavy gear should my name be HEAVYGEARUSERANDABUSERFO RLIFE?  Please.  Lets get a grip on this whole internet thing.

If you know how to diet and keep muscle, how did you let yourself become the overweight person you have?  So, as you can see....my pics are above....judge and say what you will.  As I said previously, I wake up and go to sleep happy with the satisfaction knowing I am doing it like I say I am doing it.  I hide nothing, nor feel the need to lie about what I am taking.

I firmly believe you are jealous of those who accomplish what you cant.  Just as you firmly believe I am lying about what I did to achieve the condition I did and the level I have.  So, we believe what we believe.  Right?

[Fatpanda]

Heres the thing.....I am NOT THE PINNACLE of drug free bodybuilding.  Look at guys like Brian Whitacre, Scott Trout, even Layne Norton.  I mean, come on....Layne comes in better condition than me and I dont think there is any doubt he is 'enhanced'.  It really is disappointing to see guys like Panda throw the accusatory finger around when someone looks better than they themselves have ever tried to look like.  In a way, I see why Adam acts the way he does.  He has found a formula for his success and is able to maintain great conditioning....and still people say he cant do it.

Anyway.....just to show I am FAR from embarrassed about what I have attained....or what I look like...here ya go.

i take it back, you are not a steroid user.

i apologise for any offense caused.

that side tri looked highly impressive, and shows why i wanted more pics.

[ASJChaotic]

Heres the thing.....I am NOT THE PINNACLE of drug free bodybuilding.  Look at guys like Brian Whitacre, Scott Trout, even Layne Norton.  I mean, come on....Layne comes in better condition than me and I dont think there is any doubt he is 'enhanced'.  It really is disappointing to see guys like Panda throw the accusatory finger around when someone looks better than they themselves have ever tried to look like.  In a way, I see why Adam acts the way he does.  He has found a formula for his success and is able to maintain great conditioning....and still people say he cant do it.

Anyway.....just to show I am FAR from embarrassed about what I have attained....or what I look like...here ya go.

people have this limit on what a natural should look like
a swimmer's body
or obese and bulky
like I said, if people were doomed to look like crap naturally, at their best, I'd never go to the gym again
some great mass monster naturals out there
Daddywaddy/Johnny Falcon USED TO BE one of them

[wavelength]

DrugFree4Life, you look phenomenal, mad props!