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weight lifted
« on: March 17, 2007, 08:58:59 PM »
for example when doin bench press i put a 25 on each side, then add 10, and then add 10.  Should i just do 3 sets of one weight?

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Re: weight lifted
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2007, 11:21:18 PM »
no, i would  keep adding weight on the successful sets. adding weights will hepl you grow more. if you always did the same weights, you wont grow at all. your cest will  know the level of stress and get use to it...

whats up with the  25's?? its a pet-peeve of mine that ppl dont use the 45 lb plates. they just leave the weights on the bar and i end up taking of like 5, 5 lb plates or something like that..

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Re: weight lifted
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2007, 08:05:23 AM »
whats up with the  25's?? its a pet-peeve of mine that ppl dont use the 45 lb plates. they just leave the weights on the bar and i end up taking of like 5, 5 lb plates or something like that..
I think that 135 is his max set. Hey everyone gotta start somewhere. I remember when I first started, it was a milestone to get that first 45lbs plate on each side, when like everyone was warming up with them, lol.
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Re: weight lifted
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2007, 09:01:11 AM »
for example when doin bench press i put a 25 on each side, then add 10, and then add 10.  Should i just do 3 sets of one weight?

It's up to you, try each of the following and see which you prefer. They all work; adopt one or cycle between them either for 1-2 months each or in alternate workouts:


-Keep the weight the same and focus on increasing the reps. When the reps go up, increase the weight.

-Ascending pyramid - increase the weight each set. Con: the sets on the way up are basically warmup sets that take away something from the intensity of the heaviest weight set later. Pro: The early sets pump up the tissues, creating beneficial muscle hyperplasty. If you believe that this is part of the growth process, use this or sets with a fixed weight.

-Descending pyramid - start with the heaviest weight, then lower the weight on each set, after some good warmup sets of course. Pro: you do your heaviest lifting while freshest; if you believe that overload's the main contributor to gains, this should maximize potential overload. Con: less warmup, and any benefits accrued by pumping a few sets on the way up aren't there.

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There are two sides to pyramid training: up and down, or more technically, ascending and descending. For example, to train up the pyramid for three sets of incline bench presses, the first set might be 135 pounds, the second might be 200 pounds and the third might be 265 pounds. A descending pattern could simply be that three-set pattern in reverse.

Through scientific research, some specific theories and training protocols have been developed that you can use in the gym. One of the more commonly used ascending pyramid techniques is the DeLorme pyramid method.

With this ascending pyramid technique, your first set is done with about 50% of your 10-rep max (10RM) for a given exercise, but for just 10 reps (although you would obviously be capable of doing more). For the second set, increase the weight to about 75% of your 10RM for that exercise and again stop at 10 reps. For the third set, increase the weight to 100% of your 10RM for that exercise and complete as many reps as you can until reaching failure.

The repetition maximum is not critical, as many powerlifters use this pyramid method with 3RM, 4RM, 5RM and 6RM loads to develop strength.

On the flip side, a popular descending pyramid technique is the Oxford method. Here, the first set is performed with 100% of your 10RM to failure. For the second and third sets, reduce the weight just enough to allow you to complete about 10 reps. Again, the repetition maximum you use is not critical, as it's commonly used with 6RM, 8RM, 12RM and 15RM.

Interestingly, when choosing between the DeLorme and Oxford methods to incorporate into your own training, take note: research suggests that one of these methods may be better than the other depending on your goals.

RAMPING UP | To determine which technique, DeLorme or Oxford, was best for building strength, scientists at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine (Baltimore, Maryland) compared the two.

They placed 50 men on a nine-week weight-training program of leg extension workouts on a machine three times per week. They all did three sets of about 10 reps; half the subjects used the DeLorme ascending pyramid method (50%, 75% and 100% of 10RM, for the first, second and third sets, respectively) and the other half used the Oxford descending pyramid technique (100% of 10RM for the first set, and the second and third sets with weight reduced just enough to allow for 10 reps to be completed). The amount of weight the lifters could leg press for 10 reps was measured before and after nine weeks of training.

The Johns Hopkins researchers discovered that the lifters who used the DeLorme technique had increased their strength for the leg extension by 10 pounds more than lifters who used the Oxford method (160 versus 150 pounds). Although in scientific circles, the 10-pound difference wasn't significantly large enough to indicate a strong recommendation for DeLorme over Oxford, in practical terms, 10 pounds is 10 pounds in the gym.

Bottom line, you can take two points from this study: both pyramid methods work well, but the DeLorme ascending procedure has a slight edge in its ability to increase strength.

You could even project further from this study to conclude that although the DeLorme ascending pyramid method seems to be best for gaining strength, the Oxford descending pyramid method may be better for gaining muscle mass. Why? Let's look at the number of times the lifters in the study trained to failure.

With the DeLorme technique, failure is reached only once, but the Oxford technique elicits failure for all three sets. Research out of Australia shows that training to failure for just one set increases strength more than training to failure for two or four sets. Yet muscle failure is important for inducing muscle growth because it better stimulates the release of growth hormone and insulinlike growth factor-I. Both are important anabolic factors that encourage muscle growth.

CHILD'S PLAY | In the end, smart bodybuilders use both the DeLorme and the Oxford pyramid methods within their overall programs. We suggest you cycle both over a 12-week training program, as in the Seesaw Muscle Program provided here.

With this approach, you'll pyramid up in weight for all your exercises for the first six weeks, as prescribed by the DeLorme technique. This phase of the program has you training each bodypart twice per week. That's because you will need less recovery time between workouts since you do fewer total working sets per workout, training to failure for only the third set per exercise.