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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2007, 06:53:16 AM »




Other way around ass hat...



Hope this helps.

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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2007, 06:53:25 AM »

Step off the soapbox and STFU; you are a vivid reminder that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

Hope this helps


  it is not an opinion that a dog is a carnivore. 


    Hope this heps.

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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2007, 06:54:09 AM »


  it is not an opinion that a dog is a carnivore. 


    Hope this heps.

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2007, 06:55:18 AM »

move this shit to the pet board  Cheesy
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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2007, 06:57:26 AM »

flower what do you mean, science plan is not for a cornivore?
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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2007, 06:58:52 AM »

move this shit to the pet board  Cheesy

Yup; enough of the granola woodstock survivors correcting us on the "exact" food that must be used.
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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2007, 06:59:35 AM »

  great rebuttal   Roll Eyes


   Well I guess you can't refute facts so I'll let it slide.   Grin



Consider the source, "flower" who starts threads on swallowing a button. hahahahahah
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2007, 06:59:56 AM »

I've never had a problem wtih the generic Farm and Barn bag brands Ive fed for years.
Neither have my buds who have a lot of hunting dogs. They live long healthy lives.
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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2007, 07:03:20 AM »

  raw meats and kibbles digest at different rates.  By mixing them you could be asking for digestive problems.    Why not do the right thing and go raw dog.

          Cheesy

It's a mutt, and he's got a gut like a billy goat.  Honestly, I've never witnessed any digestive issues (except when the vet gave him a cortisone shot for a hot spot which caused panceatitis and nearly killed him - vets are brilliant!).

I reason it thusly: He's not in the wild, so he isn't grazing all day.  If I limit his diet to one meat per day, maybe with a bone, it might not meet his needs long term.  His meats vary - kangaroo, beef mince, steak, beef marrow bone, T-bone [bone], chicken, lamb bones - but always raw.  Even so, I figured "kibbles" would round out what an otherwise limited diet would lack.  If you've got bright ideas on "raw dog" nutrition that provide a well rounded diet, I'm all ears and cost isn't a concern.

Shit, now I sound like a dog nut.

BTW Flower, what are your views on collars and leashes?  Wink
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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2007, 07:10:49 AM »

Yup; enough of the granola woodstock survivors correcting us on the "exact" food that must be used.

  I can not take credit for the origin and evolution of dogs.

   
   They are what they are.    Why does it bother you that a carnivore is best able to thrive on a carnivore's diet?   Can they survive on a diet that includes grains and other fillers, well obviously yes.

   Try not to take it personally that I am pointing out facts and trying to show people there is another (better) way to feed. 

     Smiley



  and to the person who commented on by-products:  by-products are not floor sweepings, etc. They are the offals (organ meats) etc and are necessary in a canine diet.  So seeing by-products is not necessarily a bad thing.  Again you should look at the first 4 ingrediants and try and find a food that they are meat based.   ie: Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul line.
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2007, 07:13:00 AM »

It's a mutt, and he's got a gut like a billy goat.  Honestly, I've never witnessed any digestive issues (except when the vet gave him a cortisone shot for a hot spot which caused panceatitis and nearly killed him - vets are brilliant!).

I reason it thusly: He's not in the wild, so he isn't grazing all day.  If I limit his diet to one meat per day, maybe with a bone, it might not meet his needs long term.  His meats vary - kangaroo, beef mince, steak, beef marrow bone, T-bone [bone], chicken, lamb bones - but always raw.  Even so, I figured "kibbles" would round out what an otherwise limited diet would lack.  If you've got bright ideas on "raw dog" nutrition that provide a well rounded diet, I'm all ears and cost isn't a concern.

Shit, now I sound like a dog nut.

BTW Flower, what are your views on collars and leashes?  Wink


   meat, bones, offals.  there ya go.  Feed like a "prey model"  more meat and bones, and smaller amounts of organs (offals).   It is not rocket science.    But meat AND bones are important, an all meat diet will not provide a good calcium/phosphorus ratio. 



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  http://www.rawfeddogs.net/Recipes
   

    http://www.rawfeddogs.net/


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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2007, 07:15:12 AM »

i don't have a dog, but i feed my neighbor's dog fists whenever i get a chance.
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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2007, 07:16:25 AM »

Any pet food bought in a grocery store is garbage!  Iams,Science Diet,Eukanuba are also garbage!  Most people assume that those three bands are good because vets sale them.  Well the vets get incentives from those companys to push their brands.  Any food that has meat by-products  should be avoided.  Good brands are Flint River Ranch,Wellness,Chicken Soup For the Pet Lovers Soul and there are many more.  These companys use human grade ingrediants not scraps and waste like the grocery store brands.  The high quality brands don't even cost that much more per bag and actually comes out to be cheaper than the garbage.  The good stuff comes out to be cheaper because a dog will get full on a smaller amount due to the quality ingrediants.  When eating the garbage they need more becuase it's like eating empty calories.
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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2007, 07:20:33 AM »

i don't have a dog, but i feed my neighbor's dog fists whenever i get a chance.

Yeah?  Does it get off?  Or, why would you get off on that?


Cheers Flower.  I've been considering changing the mutt's diet.  Maybe make him a little nutrition spreadsheet like mine.  Ok...  Roll Eyes

Organs, you say?  I'll don my Hannibal Lector mask and head down to the butcher then!
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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2007, 07:24:52 AM »


  Good for you!   Check out that link I provided for more info and feeding ideas.

   Organs are a bit rich, so I wouldn't add a lot in the diet at a time.  And add foods in slowly, one at time so you will know if a particular food doesn't agree with him.
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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2007, 07:35:40 AM »

My 1 dog stopped eating a week ago and was throwing up, luckily I found this out about the recall.  He's eating rice and ground beef until They fix this, and he's been better.

As dog people myself, I'm very glad to hear he's OK now.

If some suit decided a few lawsuits would cost less than trashing the batch, I hope the animals he murdered get to feast on his entrails in Hell.
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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2007, 07:41:27 AM »

Cool shit!

He's picky with seafood - he says it smells weird - but the rest looks good (what, no kangaroo?).  I'll keep the dry food in every other day to start and go from there... a little canine carb cycle early on.

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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2007, 07:47:23 AM »

I told my puppy about the bad food. He told me "he don't eat no cheap shit", as illustrated in these pictures.


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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2007, 08:08:12 AM »

we feed our american pit bull terrier a raw diet from http://www.naturesvariety.com/ .  He loves the food and since we put him on the real raw food as opposed to just the kibble with raw enzymes, his digestive problems have cleared up and he has an easier time with his bad back legs and joint issues.  He's off previcox and doing great.  His coat is brighter and softer than ever and genuinely seems like a healthier dog.  Spend the money and your dog will love you for it.
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« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2007, 09:52:33 AM »

It seems everything is already said by Flower who's right by the way...theres no better way then to feed your dog raw..period.

I wish we had this at my country..i would put all my future dogs on it in a heartbeat given the chance..: 08B9" target="_blank">http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1308&-session=naturesvariety:3EC2930707d6b1C0A2OqG280 08B9
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« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2007, 01:35:54 PM »


 Science Death and Iams are in the lower half of the crap in a bag rankings!  Lips sealed

   
   Find a food with preferably 4 out of 4, or min 3 out of 4, of the first ingredients are MEAT based. 

    If I have to recommend a *hurl* kibble, I go with the "Chicken Soup for the Pet lovers Soul" line. 

    Or better yet, go to your butchers or grocery meat department and feed them some REAL food like a carnivore is designed to eat. 


Great post, I'm considering that.
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« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2007, 02:46:26 PM »

Raw fed Great Danes at feeding time:   32" vertical jump one is so excited!!!


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pphoNerNRU4
Great video Flower.  Did he say that feeding raw will double the length of their lives?  How many pounds per pound of body weight is needed?  Why did the cats get such seemingly large portions? 
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« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2007, 07:34:38 PM »

It seems everything is already said by Flower who's right by the way...theres no better way then to feed your dog raw..period.


Nothing profound there; also unrealistic for most, which wasn't mentioned of course. These claims are just another set of opinions, far from necessary. Gives some of us a cause, something to talk about. Grin
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« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2007, 07:40:18 PM »

Scout's been getting the Chicken Soup line.  He loves it.

Here's the ingredient list:


    Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, oatmeal, millet, white rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potatoes, egg product, tomato pomace, duck, salmon, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, choline chloride, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecieum, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

   


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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2007, 07:50:47 PM »

Double their lifespan??  i doubt it, my parents lab has been on purina kibble for her entire life and she is 16.5 years old and going strong.  She's also been on rimadyl, previcox  or duramax at some point or another and is doing just fine.  She's living the full life expectancy of the breed.  Food CAN be a major factor in a dogs life, but breeding is just as big.  If you get a purebred dog for less than 400 dollars, chances are it will have a multitude of problems, if you're paying over a grand, chances are it WON'T have a ton of problems.  It comes down to genetics and breeding standards just as much as the food they eat.  My parents go to a renowned vet who recommends purina and says  it all comes down to the individual dog.  Myself personally, i will keep my dog on the raw stuff because he responds to it so well, but if he were fine on kibble, i'd keep him on it just the same. 
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