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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2007, 12:30:30 PM »
Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 12:12:35 PM
BBing is one of the only sports where, when a guy retires, he looks incredibly different than he did during the glory years.  We look at NFL guys, they often look BETTER once they slim down and get healthy.  When you see a walking brick shithouse acting like a rockstar in muscle mags, turn into a 155-pound cashier, it's a huge letdown.

IT is crazy and a shock to me as well. I am confused why there isn't more study and science going into how to keep the gains. Aren't guys like Ronnie and Jay just freaked out that they will lose everything if they come off the juice. Something tells me Jay will figure out how to beat it though. I can't see him letting it all go.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2007, 12:31:00 PM »
Quote from: jaejonna on March 23, 2007, 12:22:16 PM
What we dont see are the numerous casualities of BB who dont even make it anywhere and just 'chase the dream', only to fall flat on thier face and resort to male prostitution... Ask "nader99"  

Remember, we talked about that for two years in this very popular thread.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=36549.0
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2007, 12:32:54 PM »
 :'(
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2007, 12:35:12 PM »
some meathead is going to say it so might as well get it out of the way now . . .

"at least they died doing something they love."
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2007, 12:48:11 PM »
Quote from: nycbull on March 23, 2007, 12:30:30 PM
I can't see him letting it all go.

Perhaps.... But I have been a member of this board when we had to click line by line on each responce.
I remember reading Tom Princee's posts, and they were filled with humor, and an actual desire to help others. And he goofed on Chick which is allways a good thing.......

But then Ton took ill, and I remember reading that he felt that he should have taken more baby cycles, and he felt that he should have had more time off, and that he had regret that he didn't spend thr $75 for a simple blood test (which would have helped him out).... I think he had muscle dysmorfia (sp) like a mofo, but realized then that he should have kept lighter in the off season.

I remember reading comments when Dorian shrugge off a ton of weight, and everyone wondered why he did it..
His answer, because I felt like a 70 year old at 300 lbs....  Or when Flex Wheeler went to 300 lbs, and he was so big he had to do the lazyboy with his wife, and nothing else...

I think in time, you get to a point where your body will tell you that you should shed 40 lbs and return to a more healthy weight.....for it to maintain in one's retirement.   Look at Kevin Levrone... I know everyone thinks he looks terrible, but I bet he FEELS awesome.  Or Frank Sepe.. Or.. Or. Or. I could go on.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2007, 01:04:21 PM »
Because its all based on lies and illusions.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2007, 01:08:19 PM »
Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 12:12:35 PM
BBing is one of the only sports where, when a guy retires, he looks incredibly different than he did during the glory years.  We look at NFL guys, they often look BETTER once they slim down and get healthy.  When you see a walking brick shithouse acting like a rockstar in muscle mags, turn into a 155-pound cashier, it's a huge letdown.

Many, many NFL players live off as many drugs as bodybuilders. Particularly very powerful painkillers. 240, I guess you haven't seen the articles in Sports Illustrated documenting retired NFL players. Many can't even walk. Earl Campbell spends most of his time in a wheelchair from the beating he took in 10 NFL seasons.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2007, 01:10:24 PM »
Then there are guys like you who may choke on a 'freinds' cock.... your playing russian roulette bmascys
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2007, 01:11:33 PM »
Quote from: timfogarty on March 23, 2007, 12:19:58 PM
lots of young people die.  many die of drug overdoses, commit suicide, do reckless things.   you generally don't hear about it unless they're in the public eye.   when its an athlete, it's easy to say it must be the sport that caused his death.   

some athletes do die because of the sport.  that win at all cost attitude is risky.  but non athletes sometimes kill themselves because of that win at all cost attitude in their profession, what ever that profession may be.

some athlete's deaths have nothing to do with their sport.  Demayo might have ended up a heroin addict whether he had been a bodybuilder or not.

Tim, you are forgetting that a disproportionate number of bodybuilders and pro wrestlers die young compared to any way other way of making a living I can think of.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2007, 01:14:00 PM »
Quote from: tom joad on March 23, 2007, 12:35:12 PM
some meathead is going to say it so might as well get it out of the way now . . .

"at least they died doing something they love."

Arvilla said that after a couple dudes bought the farm. He may have been right though because IIRC both dudes had known health issues.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2007, 01:16:13 PM »
Quote from: bmacsys on March 23, 2007, 01:11:33 PM
Tim, you are forgetting that a disproportionate number of bodybuilders and pro wrestlers die young compared to any way other way of making a living I can think of.

I'm not forgetting, I don't believe it's true.  you have statistics to back that up?   
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2007, 01:19:08 PM »
Quote from: timfogarty on March 23, 2007, 01:16:13 PM
I'm not forgetting, I don't believe it's true.  you have statistics to back that up?   

How many pro bodybuilders are there? Relatively few. But many end up in the shitter. I think its pretty obvious. For every guy who retires gracefully you find guys who get sick, go broke, commit crimes, kill people, melt down on message boards, sell drugs etc...
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2007, 01:33:18 PM »
I don't think I would use the word hero to describe any of those bodybuilders you posted pictures of.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2007, 01:43:57 PM »
Whether you call them 'heroes' or not is irrelevant.  Your (and I mean all of us) actions say it all: buy their magazines, go to their shows, buy their videos, discuss them on message boards, meet them at expos, send them emails, get their autographed photos, and on and on...
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2007, 01:50:42 PM »
Quote from: timfogarty on March 23, 2007, 12:19:58 PM
lots of young people die.  many die of drug overdoses, commit suicide, do reckless things.   you generally don't hear about it unless they're in the public eye.   when its an athlete, it's easy to say it must be the sport that caused his death.   

some athletes do die because of the sport.  that win at all cost attitude is risky.  but non athletes sometimes kill themselves because of that win at all cost attitude in their profession, what ever that profession may be.

some athlete's deaths have nothing to do with their sport.  Demayo might have ended up a heroin addict whether he had been a bodybuilder or not.

that's a good point, and I thought about that concerning the guys posted by bayGBM. 

and well, the ONLY one listed who's demise is not totally due to bodybuilding is Craig Titus... :-\
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2007, 02:04:37 PM »
Quote from: BayGBM on March 23, 2007, 11:50:49 AM
Is it my imagination or when BB heroes fall do they fall particularly hard?

Especially Craig Titus!
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2007, 02:06:21 PM »
Quote from: bmacsys on March 23, 2007, 01:19:08 PM
For every guy who retires gracefully you find guys who get sick, go broke, commit crimes, kill people, melt down on message boards, sell drugs etc...

Titus actually managed to do all of those, didn't he.  ;D
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2007, 02:11:20 PM »
Quote from: ribonucleic on March 23, 2007, 02:06:21 PM
Titus actually managed to do all of those, didn't he.  ;D

That is quite an achievement.  :'(
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2007, 02:12:53 PM »
Very "friendly" pics of them...
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2007, 02:13:03 PM »
Quote from: ribonucleic on March 23, 2007, 02:06:21 PM
Titus actually managed to do all of those, didn't he.  ;D

Yeah. The Triple Crown of bodybuilding!
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Re: Fall from grace
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2007, 03:09:49 PM »
Powerful thread this, Bay.

Someone needs to include pics of Sonny Schmidt and Mike Matarrazzo.  Both very personable in person.  Real tragedies.
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2007, 03:15:35 PM »
Quote from: Grant_Michaels on March 23, 2007, 03:09:49 PM
Powerful thread this, Bay.

Someone needs to include pics of Sonny Schmidt and Mike Matarrazzo.  Both very personable in person.  Real tragedies.
What happened to Mike?
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2007, 03:20:27 PM »
Quote from: gymforlord on March 23, 2007, 03:15:35 PM
What happened to Mike?

Heart problems & congestive heart failure. He needed an emergency coronary bypass (open heart surgery). He is a bail bondsman now. Still has monster calves
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Re: Fall from grace
« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2007, 03:25:29 PM »
I seem to recall Mike had a near death experience during a show back in the 90s (diuretics?) and it was then he scaled back his supplements and decline to win at all costs. 

I wasn't familiar with his recent woes.  When did all this happen? :(
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