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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2007, 08:30:32 PM »
There goes any remaining credibility with those selections. :-[

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2007, 09:51:37 PM »
Not to mention Wilt, most dominant EVA. Imagine his numbers today.

No wonder basketball's boring with this dilution, as Wilt said.

As far as other greats, what i remember with the dream team in '92 was that it was Magic, not Jordan, that made that team happen. Tells you something. ;D Kobe's not even the best-ever Laker. :-\

Kobe's not even in the top 5 Lakers ever. Magic, Kareem, Wilt, West and Baylor were all better than Kobe. Kobe still has time to turn it around but I can't see him being better than Baylor by the time his career finishes.


LOL.   ;D  I knew you would at least mention Red.  Hey how many teams were in the league when he won all those titles?   :D

Without having given this much thought, I'd rank them:

1.  Phil
2.  Riley

Honorable mention:  Red, and everyone else. 

Okay . . . I'm an admitted Laker homer, but I like those two (Phil and Pat). 

Riley is twice the coach Jackson is cause he actually went to teams (New York, Miami) in the 90's and turned them from OK teams into great teams. Red had some great playing rosters to work with too but a lot of his players weren't established superstars when he got them, but he did turn them into superstars. Phil hasn't done that with anyone except maybe Pippen.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2007, 10:43:29 PM »
I will question his team's lack of talent.  Give Kobe another all star and he wins a ring, or three. 

i don't think another all star wants to play with Kobe. the Lakers roster is a joke and part of the blame has to go to Kobe and his ego
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2007, 11:16:12 PM »
i don't think another all star wants to play with Kobe. the Lakers roster is a joke and part of the blame has to go to Kobe and his ego

How so?  They don't have cap room.  Kidd wanted to play for L.A.  Ron Artest wanted to play with Kobe.  Any all star who wants a ring will play with Kobe. 

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2007, 11:22:22 PM »
Kobe's not even in the top 5 Lakers ever. Magic, Kareem, Wilt, West and Baylor were all better than Kobe. Kobe still has time to turn it around but I can't see him being better than Baylor by the time his career finishes.


Riley is twice the coach Jackson is cause he actually went to teams (New York, Miami) in the 90's and turned them from OK teams into great teams. Red had some great playing rosters to work with too but a lot of his players weren't established superstars when he got them, but he did turn them into superstars. Phil hasn't done that with anyone except maybe Pippen.

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In terms of overall talent, Kobe is among the best to ever play the game.  But you have to compare apples with apples.  He's not a center, so you cannot really compare him to Wilt.  He's not a point guard, even though he leads his team in assists pretty much every year, so you cannot really compare him to Magic.  I think Jordan is a better comparison.  Kobe does everything Jordan did and more (better with the ball in his hands and much better range). 

I don't fault Phil for coaching great players.  The team with the best players doesn't always win.  That's why the Lakers didn't win a title the year before Phil came on board.  He took the same cast of characters and won a title in his first year in L.A. 

I love Riley, but he is an opportunist too.  He stepped down in Miami when they weren't a contender, fired Van Gundy when Miami caught fire, had a convenient surgery when Shaq went down this year, then suddenly recovered  when Shaq got healthy.  I didn't really pay attention to this (and didn't believe it) till a friend of mine pointed this out to me. 

That said, Pat won a title with arguably the worst team in NBA history to ever win a title last year. 

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2007, 05:16:09 AM »
Too black & white, someone who selectively chooses facts. Turds like Kobe are at best part of but not the centerpiece to winning ball, as shown when they won. A repugnant personality and a preferred style of hogging the ball aren't part of a winning formula.

In the past five games, Kobe Bryant has averaged 54 points per game. Think about that for a moment. Fifty four! Most importantly, the Los Angeles Lakers won all five, reversing a seven-game losing streak that had threatened to ruin their season.

In effect, Bryant placed the entire team on his shoulders and willed it back into a positive state. The Lakers are now confident again, they have Luke Walton and Lamar Odom back from injuries and they're no longer looking like road kill for the West's top seeds come playoff time. And they owe it all to Kobe.

His offensive game is so good, so fundamentally sound in every aspect, that it may be time to debate whether or not he's the most complete offensive player in the history of the NBA. I'm not talking about the best player – there are plenty of players who rank well ahead of Bryant in that category. I'm simply wondering if there has ever been a player with a more complete skill set with footwork, ball handling, perimeter shooting and leaping ability.

I'll look forward to your emails on that one.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2007, 05:19:00 AM »


 I agree that Kobe is a beast, but if you put Kobe on a mid 90's Miami, Chicago, Philly, or New York team, he would be just another player.

That is about the dumbest statement I ever heard. The guy had four straight games of over 50 points. Thats unheard of. He once had a streak of thirteen over 40. Thats amazing. Last year he went for 81. A while back he went for over 60. His peers say he is far and away the best player in the league.
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2007, 05:21:18 AM »
There goes any remaining credibility with those selections. :-[

Pumpster, lets be honest. Saying Kobe isn't the best is on par with you saying Tiger Woods is overated and erratic. You just have to be the opposite of common logic. You get off on it.
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2007, 05:23:26 AM »
There goes any remaining credibility with those selections. :-[

Pumpster, how do you account for so many of the NBA's best players saying Kobe is the best player in the league by far?
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2007, 05:26:31 AM »
scoring wise, Kobe is perhaps the best all-time, fuck wilt chamberlain, he played with skinny short white guys, now they scout defenses, videos on how to trap a player, the players are quicker now, stronger and kobe is still superior then the whole league in scoring, the only thing is in the jordan-era it was alot more physical, and hand checking was allowed...

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2007, 07:00:28 AM »
How so?  They don't have cap room.  Kidd wanted to play for L.A.  Ron Artest wanted to play with Kobe.  Any all star who wants a ring will play with Kobe. 

Bum in total denial.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2007, 07:02:09 AM »
Pumpster, lets be honest. Saying Kobe isn't the best is on par with you saying Tiger Woods is overated and erratic. You just have to be the opposite of common logic. You get off on it.

Except that Tiger's play over the last year or so since his dad died proves that i was right, in relation to his former play and overall potential, you idiot. I was right.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2007, 07:03:35 AM »
Pumpster, how do you account for so many of the NBA's best players saying Kobe is the best player in the league by far?

I never said he wasn't the best now; he's just not that impressive in historical terms or in terms of winning basketball. This seems to be hard to grasp for our easily-impressed-by-stats dumbass bmacsys.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2007, 07:05:20 AM »
scoring wise, Kobe is perhaps the best all-time, fuck wilt chamberlain, he played with skinny short white guys, now they scout defenses, videos on how to trap a player, the players are quicker now, stronger and kobe is still superior then the whole league in scoring, the only thing is in the jordan-era it was alot more physical, and hand checking was allowed...

Chamberlain's numbers were better, including 7 straight games of 50 or more that the kobester says he can't match.

As far as the talent then, there wasn't any dilution in the league either, so it's very easy to say that the kobester actually has it easier playing some of the current teams.

There's no basis for saying that he's a better scorer than Jordan either.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2007, 12:17:01 PM »

There's no basis for saying that he's a better scorer than Jordan either.
I do think he scores points easier then mike did...to me mike's the best ever but scoring wise i feel kobe is a little better, remember both did have free reign on how many times they shot the ball

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2007, 01:42:54 PM »
Except that Tiger's play over the last year or so since his dad died proves that i was right, in relation to his former play and overall potential, you idiot. I was right.

Yup. He had only 8 Majors and a Grand Slam to his credit BEFORE his dad died! ::)
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2007, 01:45:32 PM »
Chamberlain's numbers were better, including 7 straight games of 50 or more that the kobester says he can't match.



Yup, and Wilt only got those numbers BEFORE the lane was widened to 12 feet and playing against 6'6" white guys save Bill Russell. Pumpster, HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED AN NBA GAME? Come clean! You don't know shit about basketball man.
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2007, 02:14:30 PM »
Yup, and Wilt only got those numbers BEFORE the lane was widened to 12 feet and playing against 6'6" white guys save Bill Russell. Pumpster, HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED AN NBA GAME? Come clean! You don't know shit about basketball man.

Funny because you're clueless in every post. Total inability to see beyond general understandings.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2007, 02:17:58 PM »
Yup. He had only 8 Majors and a Grand Slam to his credit BEFORE his dad died! ::)

The general uneducated fan like this obsesses only on numbers. I was absolutely right about his inconstency.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2007, 02:31:20 PM »
The general uneducated fan like this obsesses only on numbers. I was absolutely right about his inconstency.

Its about the numbers goofball. Like how many titles the man has won. DUH. ::)
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2007, 02:33:43 PM »
Funny because you're clueless in every post. Total inability to see beyond general understandings.

DUH, try and refute my post. You can't. Then again you don't even know what the lane is or a 3 second violation is. Poor Pumpster. The laughingstock of the sports board.
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2007, 02:53:40 PM »
DUH, try and refute my post. You can't. Then again you don't even know what the lane is or a 3 second violation is. Poor Pumpster. The laughingstock of the sports board.

This from someone so out of it that he think's trailing me around for more than a year makign shit up's an accomplishment.

Let your son know about this i'm sure he'll be damn proud of "dad" and his wisdom. hahaahahahh

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2007, 10:14:08 AM »
That is about the dumbest statement I ever heard. The guy had four straight games of over 50 points. Thats unheard of. He once had a streak of thirteen over 40. Thats amazing. Last year he went for 81. A while back he went for over 60. His peers say he is far and away the best player in the league.

Nope, it is no secret that the talent in the NBA has waned. Most of these guys just want to be paid, there is no love or passion for the game, except maybe those players from overseas. Plus it is again, no secret that they only play hard during the 4th quarter. Which makes it alot easier to hit 50+ points a game when nobody really puts any effort to guard you until the 4th

Do you agree or disagree that 1997 Bulls team is better than a 2007 Lakers team? Because the genral consensus is that it is.

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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2007, 01:25:32 PM »
This from someone so out of it that he think's trailing me around for more than a year makign shit up's an accomplishment.

Let your son know about this i'm sure he'll be damn proud of "dad" and his wisdom. hahaahahahh

Poopster, everybody who has been here a while know I am not making it up. I just enjoy making you look like an idiot. Though you really don't need any help. ::)
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Re: Putting Kobe in perspective
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2007, 01:27:10 PM »
Nope, it is no secret that the talent in the NBA has waned. Most of these guys just want to be paid, there is no love or passion for the game, except maybe those players from overseas. Plus it is again, no secret that they only play hard during the 4th quarter. Which makes it alot easier to hit 50+ points a game when nobody really puts any effort to guard you until the 4th

Do you agree or disagree that 1997 Bulls team is better than a 2007 Lakers team? Because the genral consensus is that it is.

The 1997 Bulls team won what 72 games? The 2007 Lakers are basically a one man show.
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