How is a bb considered an athlete

[finurface]

Even as a complete beginner, I'm more conditioned now than I have ever been -- even while playing sports: soccer, baseball and basketball.

Those sports require NOTHING compared to the level of conditioning required in bbing. Nothing.

...that is, unless you're a weekend warrior or casual lifter.

and you re a 24/7/365 warrior and regular lifter...so what, does it makes you an "athlete"? no, cause your achievements cant be judged , there s no "sport" for what you re doing , nothing to compare/judge your body....and if u entered a contest you would be dead last cause you dont have the genetics and pleasing lines...So please stop refering yourself as an athlete or a "true" warrior...you re just a guy who s more obsessed with his body and insecruties than the "casual lifter" you were refering to.





Sports are about judging a PERFORMANCE, not a physique...

There are rules to folow, markers on the ground, you can actually JUDGE/see the perfomance being accomplished and rate it with universal and unilateral rules.

 

Again, posing on stage with a litle pink tong covering a ridicuously small dick and shrinking balls showing off muscles is a gay occupation, period.


Lifting weights to build a more muscular physique ,eat healthy, to impress people when showing off and feel good about yourself is not a performance, its a way of life, something much more deeper than just being rated after your scored a shot playing basketball for example.

You dont need to label it as a sport to make it more respectable... there s nothing to  justify.
Lifting weights to build a muscular physique is in my book respectable ,whatever the results and your genetics, as long as you know why you re doing it and before it becomes an obssessive behavior due to a major insecurity (whatever it is).

Some people try to perfect their mind learning philosophy and other stuff, we try to perfect our physiques lifting weights, that's as simple as that, no need to compare our physiques to each others posing in thongs...

In fact i think the guy who feel the need to pose on stage compared to others people, the guy who takes it too far, and considers himself as an athlete, is the most insecure of em all.

[body88]

...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....

Different sports require different skills...

You are talking about athletic activities. What athletic skill does a pro bb have to be classed with the likes of Ladanian Tomlinson, Manny Ramirez, Micheal Jordan or Wayne Gretzky? Superior hand eye coordination? Superior endurance? faster? What is it? Superior response to steroids does not count. I think it is safe to say every athlete I just listed is not on drugs.

I want to know what the difference is between a beauty pageant contestant and a bodybuilder. Besides the "beauty" of course, since bb has gone the mass at all costs route over the last 15 years. Both "athletes" diet hard over a period of months or years, and train with weights. Just because the pageant contestant does not lift for size does not mean she does not give her training and diet 100 percent dedication. Both "pose" and put a lot of time and effort into a posing routine to show to judges on stage. Both put a lot of effort in to the prep work. Tan , skin , color, and finish. Would Miss America be considered a professional athlete? Seems to me if you compare a guy like Ron Coleman to the best pro athletes in the world, Miss America should be in that comparison.

[dirk digler]

...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....

Different sports require different skills...

What physical skills are required to be a top bber?

[body88]

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I am going to agree with you here. There are a ton of "physical skills" ie genetics needed to be a pro bb. We can both agree on that My main beef was the superior athletic skill.

[body88]

What physical skills are required to be a top bber?

Did you mean athletic? Because I agree with you that there is no superior "athletic ability" needed to bb.

[dirk digler]

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I'm waiting. Is it strength? Endurance? Power? Speed? Hand/eye coordination? Agility? Balance?? What can Mr. Olympia "DO" that no other person can do?

[dirk digler]

hahahaahaaaa, that's like asking: "What kind of eye hand coordination skills does a baseball player need??"

A ball player at the plate has .3 seconds to swing a round bat at a small round ball coming straight at him at breakneck speeds, not to mention what to do if the ball is going tro hit him in the head.

[Devon97]

How is a baseball player an athlete?  while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL?  all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.

sorry, your bubble has busted.

Well "old Rooster" , Derek Jeter  has hGH to thank for his baseball skills and Jason taylor has hGH to thank for leading the NFL in sacks last season.
You see my friend, Real athletes have SKILLS or TALENTS.... a bber has NONE.
HOpe this helps

[Devon97]

Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenge to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.

Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?

My friend, you would look like a CLOWN trying to workout at a place like this. I bet there are Highschool kids that could OWN you in every drill there. Hell, you wouldnt make it through the dynamic activation warm-up!
http://www.parisischool.com/

[Mr. Intenseone]

...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....

Different sports require different skills...

Those people in those particular sports are not conditioned for that, a lineman for example, is only conditioned for about 15-20 yards, the tennis player can be trained to be competitive to swim, the Olympic boxer has no need to dead 500, but could be trained.

[Dballn247]

With that logic you could compare proffesional curlers with nfl players. BB's are not athletes. Do you think beauty pageant contestants are athletes? To me comparing Cutler to a guy like Ladanian Tomlinson is laughable and silly.

Sorry to break it to ya, but we are.  We train and diet for a specific date.  Football players train and diet for a specific weight.  Just because we are not as athletic as you would like, you can't slight us by saying we are not athletes.  

That is as stupid as saying NFL players aren't strong, they're just big.  Give me a break.

and BTW......Bowlers are athletes too.  

[Devon97]

...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....

Different sports require different skills...

CHICK, what SKILL does Bodybuilding require??

[Dballn247]

CHICK, what SKILL does Bodybuilding require??

Strength and coordination, hope this helps. 

[Tamer Razor]

Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenged to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.

Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?

[Dballn247]

Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenged to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.

Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?

Is your handle a reflection of the movie company?  If so PM me. 

[Devon97]

Strength and coordination, hope this helps. 

When on a bbing stage is a bber judged on coordination or strength?

Hope this helps ( although I doubt it will)

[Tamer Razor]

When on a bbing stage is a bber judged on coordination or strength?

Hope this helps ( although I doubt it will)

I am so tried of your talk .....you do even workout ...you have no idea what it takes. What is your experience in BB to even talk about it....

[Chick]

CHICK, what SKILL does Bodybuilding require??

thereare lots of "skills" that pro bb requires....training properly and training with the ability to build a pro calliber physique is a skill unto itself....thats what seperates people that train with weights, from being a pro bb. Training while on a carb-specific diet is a skill which requires incredible mental discipline...posing and displaying your physique is a skill, the ability to flex all muscles at the same time...skill of accentuating strong points, while hiding weak points....

the bottom line is....it is what it is.....bb is different and unique, but still a sport and still has athletes that make up it's roster.

there are many "sports" that dont fall into the typical mold....is cliffdiving a sport? whats the skill...jumping off a mountain into water? How about nascar? are they "athletes", and is it a sport?

this argument is old and tiresome....

I train for competition, I dont have to run the forty...shoot free throws, or do the iron cross on the rings, no more than each of those respective athletes have to train different bodyparts everyday, do 2 hours of cardio, or perform 3 rounds of posing while depleated and dehydrated.

There are different kinds of sports, and different types of athletes.

end of debate.

[Tamer Razor]

When on a bbing stage is a bber judged on coordination or strength?

Hope this helps ( although I doubt it will)

Show us a picture of the Great Devon97.....I tell you a picture tell 1000 words...I have a strange feeling you look like a nerd chicken. Stop hating ....

[dirk digler]

thereare lots of "skills" that pro bb requires....training properly and training with the ability to build a pro calliber physique is a skill unto itself....thats what seperates people that train with weights, from being a pro bb. Training while on a carb-specific diet is a skill which requires incredible mental discipline...posing and displaying your physique is a skill, the ability to flex all muscles at the same time...skill of accentuating strong points, while hiding weak points....

These "skills" aren't physical. They don't improve your body's performance, only it's appearence. Looking good is not an athletic endeavor.

[americanbulldog]

Bodybuilders are performance athletes much like ice skaters.    Maybe they will make a movie about bodybuilers and have Will Ferrell and John Hederer star in it.  

[Mr. Intenseone]

You seem to have love and respect for baseball and I very much respect that. Do not disrespect Bodybuilding because others have the same love you have for baseball and respect to Bodybuilding. Anyone that known bodybuiding know that incredible amount of determination, hardwork, persistancy it takes.

I never said that I did not respect the detrmination and work that goes into bodybuilding, I really do, but I have been on both sides of the fence, I have competed and I have played pro ball, there is a huge difference between training to be a bodybuilder and training for athletics, it's VERY difficult for a bodybuilder to go back and train for a sport without having some sort of an injury that will slow his/her progress, even in the weight room, it's difficult for a bodybuilder to train on the same level as an athlete and visa versa, but if the athlete were to train like a bodybuilder, I'd be willing to bet that the injuries would be minimal if at all!

[Chick]

These "skills" aren't physical. They don't improve your body's performance, only it's appearence. Looking good is not an athletic endeavor.

Thats what you dont get...the performance IS the appearance. Body building is indeed physical...

 merely "looking good" isn't exactly Professional bodybuilding....swimmers look good, they cant compete in pro bb.

[dirk digler]

Thats what you dont get...the performance IS the appearance. Body building is indeed physical...

 merely "looking good" isn't exactly Professional bodybuilding....swimmers look good, they cant compete in pro bb.

Palease, Bobby. If bodybuilding was a sport and bodybuilders were anything remotely resembling athletes, this thread wouldn't even come up.

[MisterMagoo]

body88, you're confusing an athletic competition with an "athlete".

a BB show obviously isn't an athletic competition, even though it may require a lot of athleticism (flexing is hard for extended periods, try it sometime). the competitors aren't judged by feats of athleticism, they all go through the exact same motions and whoever looks best wins. it would be like if football games were judged by whose plays were the most graceful rather than who got into the endzone, or if basketball players got extra points when their shot form was good.

however, the amount of athleticism needed to get up to that level is undeniable. yeah, you can argue steroids and whatnot, but for the time being we'll scrap that because we're not talking the olympia, just bodybuilding in general.

how do you define an "athlete"? i think a safe definition for our purposes is "someone who is capable of performing feats requiring physical exertion". that way we avoid dart players and such. now, bodybuilding is entirely built in the weight room. players of all sports have a weight training protocol as a part of their curriculum, so obviously weight training increases one's athleticism. thus, someone who dedicates themselves to the weight room will in turn increase their athleticism.

you can argue that bodybuilding training isn't optimal for athletic progress, but to say that bodybuilders aren't athletes is just stupid. ronnie coleman lunging across a parking lot in 100+ degree texas weather with 225 on his back is proof enough of that.