How is a bb considered an athlete

[dirk digler]

To me, bodybuilding seems to be more like figure skating, or gymnastics.  All of them train in order to do a routine that showcases whatever skill is needed to demonstrate the sport.  I suppose the skill in bodybuilding is muscle building combined with conditioning and aesthetics.  

Define "conditioning"

[chaos]

Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenged to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.

Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?

already done for the night maybe another time 

[Chick]

Your right, he'd have to do nothing. You win by how you look and ONLY by how you look.

Great...whats your point?

In Nascar...you win by going faster than the other guy, and ONLY going faster than the other guy....in gymnastics, you win by performing better than the other athletes, and ONLY by performing better....etc, etc...

[warrior_code]

I suppose conditioning refers to achieving a low levels of bodyfat and water.  You guys keep comparing different skills to each other in order to justify your points.  That is comparing apples and oranges.  Sure a gymnast can touch their nose with their toe, that is apart of their skill arsenal.  They also couldn't do amost muscular and display muscularity with crazy conditioning.  Both differenent types athletes will train differently in order to achieve the desired skill(s) needed to excel in their sport.  

[dirk digler]

Great...whats your point?

In Nascar...you win by going faster than the other guy, and ONLY going faster than the other guy....in gymnastics, you win by performing better than the other athletes, and ONLY by performing better....etc, etc...

You're a fool if you think gymnastics doesn't REQUIRE great amounts of balance, strength, agility, and power. They are judged by how they performed athletic skills. Body builders are judged by how they appear. It's no different than a dog show.

[warrior_code]

I would imagine that it takes great amounts of balance, strength, agility(in some excercises), and power when training with weights in order to develop the size needed to be a good bodybuilder.  The same way a olympic lifter needs all the above skills in order to perform olympic style lifts.   

[Chick]

You're a fool if you think gymnastics doesn't REQUIRE great amounts of balance, strength, agility, and power. They are judged by how they performed athletic skills. Body builders are judged by how they appear. It's no different than a dog show.

No one said it didn't....and gymnasts don't have to do what we do....the very point you seem to not understand.

Different sport, different type of athlete....

[dirk digler]

No one said it didn't....and gymnasts don't have to do what we do....the very point you seem to not understand.

Different sport, different type of athlete....

OK, this isn't getting through your hgh thickened head. How are bodybuilding contests won?

[Chick]

OK, this isn't getting through your hgh thickened head. How are bodybuilding contests won?

STILL don't get it, as evidenced by yet another retarded question....

[Mr. Intenseone]

in case you missed it the first time around....walk a mile in my shoes.

I've walked several miles in your shoes (figurativly speaking) thats why I can argue my point, the sports you mentioned require skill, strength, and physical conditioning, you mentioned NASCAR, even thought I'm not a huge fan, I can see the the strength and conditioning that is required, how about this.........500miles, no power steering, 140 degrees in the cockpit, the skill of either getting in front of or getting behind another cars wind stream (or whatever it's called)....dude, it ain't just 500 miles of constant left turns!!

[pumpher]

I would imagine that it takes great amounts of balance, strength, agility(in some excercises), and power when training with weights in order to develop the size needed to be a good bodybuilder.  The same way a olympic lifter needs all the above skills in order to perform olympic style lifts.   

Not really. Bodybuilders don't necessarily need any of those factors you mentioned. Futhermore, there is little correlation between those factors and determination of being a "good bodybuilder" - if you are stronger or have better balance - does that make you a "better" or "more athletic" bodybuilder?

The difference is the olympic lifter is judged objectively on how much s/he can lift. There is a strong correlation with their "skill" and their performance as an athlete. This correlation is weak at best for bodybuilders.

At the end of the day you can chose to use whatever definition of "athlete" you want if it helps you sleep at night. Potatoe, Potat"O"

[Chick]

I've walked several miles in your shoes (figurativly speaking) thats why I can argue my point, the sports you mentioned require skill, strength, and physical conditioning, you mentioned NASCAR, even thought I'm not a huge fan, I can see the the strength and conditioning that is required, how about this.........500miles, no power steering, 140 degrees in the cockpit, the skill of either getting in front of or getting behind another cars wind stream (or whatever it's called)....dude, it ain't just 500 miles of constant left turns!!

Yeah...but the gigantic chip on your shoulder makes you jaded because you didn't have what it takes to reach the pro level...now, after the fact, you make it sound like "you didn't want to take it to the next level..."

[Mr. Intenseone]

Yeah...but the gigantic chip on your shoulder makes you jaded because you didn't have what it takes to reach the pro level...now, after the fact, you make it sound like "you didn't want to take it to the next level..."

Haha....no, I had what it took, I just wasn't willing to take that much of it........if it sounds like I didn't want to take it to the next level.......you're right, I wasn't dumb enough to take it to that level!

[Chick]

Haha....no, I had what it took, I just wasn't willing to take that much of it........if it sounds like I didn't want to take it to the next level.......you're right, I wasn't dumb enough to take it to that level!

Nooooooo..obviously you didn't. You rationalize in your mind that the guys beating you were taking a boatload more gear than you were..that's why you werent winning...In reality, they were taking just as much as you, they were just better or you just werent as good as you thought.

[Mr. Intenseone]

why you werent winning...In reality, they were taking just as much as you, they were just better or you just werent as good as you thought.

Who says I wasn't winning? When I was winning I took VERY little and the problem was I wasn't willing to take much more, nothing wrong with my genetics for bodybuilding, I'm a realist and know what I am and am not capable of, I trained with people who I competed against and new how much and what they were taking................I'm not so afraid anymore!

[Devon97]

Show us a picture of the Great Devon97.....I tell you a picture tell 1000 words...I have a strange feeling you look like a nerd chicken. Stop hating ....

Evil Angel, look at Federov, he has an AWFULL physique but is without question an athlete. It takes no TALENT or SKILL to perform what you do. It does take EFFORT, but even the worst most UNathletic person can give effort and be diciplined.

[Devon97]

thereare lots of "skills" that pro bb requires....training properly and training with the ability to build a pro calliber physique is a skill unto itself....thats what seperates people that train with weights, from being a pro bb. Training while on a carb-specific diet is a skill which requires incredible mental discipline...posing and displaying your physique is a skill, the ability to flex all muscles at the same time...skill of accentuating strong points, while hiding weak points....
the bottom line is....it is what it is.....bb is different and unique, but still a sport and still has athletes that make up it's roster.

there are many "sports" that dont fall into the typical mold....is cliffdiving a sport? whats the skill...jumping off a mountain into water? How about nascar? are they "athletes", and is it a sport?

this argument is old and tiresome....

I train for competition, I dont have to run the forty...shoot free throws, or do the iron cross on the rings, no more than each of those respective athletes have to train different bodyparts everyday, do 2 hours of cardio, or perform 3 rounds of posing while depleated and dehydrated.

There are different kinds of sports, and different types of athletes.

end of debate.

THis doesnt take talent or skill. People win a bbing show because they look the BEST not because they "have the ability to flex all muscles at the same time" lol " or "accentuating strong points" I love that one.
Chick, you cant possibly keep a straight face when you say this... can u?

[bmacsys]

You're right. People like body88 who do not really, truly, put their hearts into their workouts are not athletes. They are armchair warriors.

I fucken put my heart and soul into my workout and am an athlete through and through.

Do you run or jump? Do you throw? Do you shoot? Do you hit? Do you tackle? If not you aren't an athlete and it isn't a true sport. And fuck you Garreath. We know your training consists of mainly stuffing your face!

[body88]

Nooooooo..obviously you didn't. You rationalize in your mind that the guys beating you were taking a boatload more gear than you were..that's why you werent winning...In reality, they were taking just as much as you, they were just better or you just werent as good as you thought.

So now you are telling people what they thought? Joe looked fantastic when he competed.Maybe he did not want to risk his health. Unless you know him personally, you are speculating on how he felt during the time he competed. Everything is a peachy now, but I want to see the current crop of pros at age 60.

[Tapeworm]

I want to see the current crop of pros at age 60.

Be sure to bring a shovel.

[Oldschool Flip]

If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered.  

Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.

Here's the biggest difference.

Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT  say that about PRO bbers.

And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.

When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?

[body88]

If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered.  

Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.

Here's the biggest difference.

Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT  say that about PRO bbers.

And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.

When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?

Great point

[Chick]

If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered.  

Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.

Here's the biggest difference.

Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT  say that about PRO bbers.

And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.

When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?

wow...some of the dumbest analogies i've seen yet.

[Tapeworm]

If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered.  

Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.

Here's the biggest difference.

Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT  say that about PRO bbers.

And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.

When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?

That's a solid point Bob.

[Chick]

That's a solid point Bob.

It's a useless point as the argument is if a bb is considered an athlete or not...not what drugs any pro's in any sport are taking...