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These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« on: April 05, 2007, 09:00:32 PM »
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These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch



by Terry Jones
The Guardian - 2007-03-31


I share the outrage expressed in the British press over the treatment of our naval personnel accused by Iran of illegally entering their waters. It is a disgrace. We would never dream of treating captives like this - allowing them to smoke cigarettes, for example, even though it has been proven that smoking kills. And as for compelling poor servicewoman Faye Turney to wear a black headscarf, and then allowing the picture to be posted around the world - have the Iranians no concept of civilised behaviour? For God's sake, what's wrong with putting a bag over her head? That's what we do with the Muslims we capture: we put bags over their heads, so it's hard to breathe. Then it's perfectly acceptable to take photographs of them and circulate them to the press because the captives can't be recognised and humiliated in the way these unfortunate British service people are.





It is also unacceptable that these British captives should be made to talk on television and say things that they may regret later. If the Iranians put duct tape over their mouths, like we do to our captives, they wouldn't be able to talk at all. Of course they'd probably find it even harder to breathe - especially with a bag over their head - but at least they wouldn't be humiliated.

And what's all this about allowing the captives to write letters home saying they are all right? It's time the Iranians fell into line with the rest of the civilised world: they should allow their captives the privacy of solitary confinement. That's one of the many privileges the US grants to its captives in Guantánamo Bay.

The true mark of a civilised country is that it doesn't rush into charging people whom it has arbitrarily arrested in places it's just invaded. The inmates of Guantánamo, for example, have been enjoying all the privacy they want for almost five years, and the first inmate has only just been charged. What a contrast to the disgraceful Iranian rush to parade their captives before the cameras!

What's more, it is clear that the Iranians are not giving their British prisoners any decent physical exercise. The US military make sure that their Iraqi captives enjoy PT. This takes the form of exciting "stress positions", which the captives are expected to hold for hours on end so as to improve their stomach and calf muscles. A common exercise is where they are made to stand on the balls of their feet and then squat so that their thighs are parallel to the ground. This creates intense pain and, finally, muscle failure. It's all good healthy fun and has the bonus that the captives will confess to anything to get out of it.

And this brings me to my final point. It is clear from her TV appearance that servicewoman Turney has been put under pressure. The newspapers have persuaded behavioural psychologists to examine the footage and they all conclude that she is "unhappy and stressed".

What is so appalling is the underhand way in which the Iranians have got her "unhappy and stressed". She shows no signs of electrocution or burn marks and there are no signs of beating on her face. This is unacceptable. If captives are to be put under duress, such as by forcing them into compromising sexual positions, or having electric shocks to their genitals, they should be photographed, as they were in Abu Ghraib. The photographs should then be circulated around the civilised world so that everyone can see exactly what has been going on.

As Stephen Glover pointed out in the Daily Mail, perhaps it would not be right to bomb Iran in retaliation for the humiliation of our servicemen, but clearly the Iranian people must be made to suffer - whether by beefing up sanctions, as the Mail suggests, or simply by getting President Bush to hurry up and invade, as he intends to anyway, and bring democracy and western values to the country, as he has in Iraq.
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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 11:01:34 PM »
Typical left-wing garbage from a socialist rag sheet.

The Mullahs in Iran are anti-thesis of so-called liberal/leftist values with regards to civil rights, woman's rights, and gay rights.

But to the Left, Islamists have one redeeming trait; a savage hatred of America (and the West, as well). That's all the Left needs to hear.

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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 11:30:56 PM »
What are you talking about? Didn't you read the headlines? ...these Iranians are a very uncivilized bunch!


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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 12:39:34 AM »
Are we talking about the same country that hanged two teenage homosexuals?

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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2007, 01:08:36 AM »
Are we talking about the same country that hanged two teenage homosexuals?

Yep, ...that's pretty messed up, ...but I suppose it's better that they hang someone they have proof against, as opposed to some countries who jerk themselves off claiming to be civilized yet will condone and/or justify the murder of those someone merely suspects may be gay, ...or who will systematically, rape, torture and sodomize innocent liitle children in the name of freedom.
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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2007, 05:30:17 AM »
Typical left-wing garbage from a socialist rag sheet.

The Mullahs in Iran are anti-thesis of so-called liberal/leftist values with regards to civil rights, woman's rights, and gay rights.

But to the Left, Islamists have one redeeming trait; a savage hatred of America (and the West, as well). That's all the Left needs to hear.

It's not a socialist paper.

They're right in critisising the Guantanamo prison.

But where these culture-huggers repeatedly fcuks up, is that they hold ourselves to a high standard, which I agree on, but for some reason, un-known to me, tolerates any kind of shit in these countries.

I definitely think the whole Guantamo situation is a disgrace.

But that won't make me any less critical of any society where women have to take a backseat.

To be honest, I am surprised to see how some females on this board, such as jaguar, don't at least acknowledge that Iran is a terrible country due to its heavy patriarchal structure.

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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2007, 05:36:17 AM »
What are you talking about? Didn't you read the headlines? ...these Iranians are a very uncivilized bunch!


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Then fucking pack yo bags and move yo ass to Tehran!  Let us know how it works out for you, I suspect your head will be lopped off within a week.

Yep, since they know the UK or USA will blow their ass to smithereens, it is a very good deterrent to treat prisoners well.

As far as how we treated detainees at gitmo, after we got through interrogating them, should have snuffed them all out.  This thread shows that liberals as i've said numerous times are pansies at heart or as arnold said , they are GIRLY MEN.

You have a problem doing what is necessary to get information from terrorists?  I don't.   Real men know sometimes you have to get a little rough with shithead terrorists to make em sing.
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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2007, 05:48:01 AM »
Then fucking pack yo bags and move yo ass to Tehran!  Let us know how it works out for you, I suspect your head will be lopped off within a week.

Yep, since they know the UK or USA will blow their ass to smithereens, it is a very good deterrent to treat prisoners well.

As far as how we treated detainees at gitmo, after we got through interrogating them, should have snuffed them all out.  This thread shows that liberals as i've said numerous times are pansies at heart or as arnold said , they are GIRLY MEN.

You have a problem doing what is necessary to get information from terrorists?  I don't.   Real men know sometimes you have to get a little rough with shithead terrorists to make em sing.

One problem.

Most prisoners held at Guantamo are most likely not terrorists or have no association to terrorism whatsoever.

When USA issued rewards to those who brought in terrorist suspects, local warlords not surprisingly came up with a bunch of suspects, collecting easy money.

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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2007, 05:50:25 AM »
One problem.

Most prisoners held at Guantamo are most likely not terrorists or have no association to terrorism whatsoever.

When USA issued rewards to those who brought in terrorist suspects, local warlords not surprisingly came up with a bunch of suspects, collecting easy money.

-Hedge

I'm sure you will not be suprised at my reply hedge.  If we have to rough up 100 folks at gitmo to get information from 1 true terrorist, sorry i have zero problem with that.   They were posed for pictures, scared by doggies, big fucking whoop.  we were trying to find information about peeps that flew planes into buildings in downtown NEW YORK so i don't have a problem if we kill 100 over there to get 1 true terrorist.   war is hell.    We lost innocent lifes, boo hoo if they did also.
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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2007, 06:16:42 AM »
I'm sure you will not be suprised at my reply hedge.  If we have to rough up 100 folks at gitmo to get information from 1 true terrorist, sorry i have zero problem with that.   They were posed for pictures, scared by doggies, big fucking whoop.  we were trying to find information about peeps that flew planes into buildings in downtown NEW YORK so i don't have a problem if we kill 100 over there to get 1 true terrorist.   war is hell.    We lost innocent lifes, boo hoo if they did also.

If it's the terrorist who loses innocent lives, I would get what you're saying.

But here's a bunch of people, not related to the terrorists in any way, who are being held and tortured.

It could just as well be either you or me. Or any other getbigger. The point I'm making is that it's not losses for the terrorists in anyway if innocent people are sitting there.

Some people thinks that to get the guilty, we need to sacrifice many innocents.

But that's not how our society works. Eg, if there is a murder, you won't see ten people sentenced for that murder, just because the court knows that at least one of the guys is guilty.

Look at the situation at Guantanamo. Why do you think that prisoners from all other countries have been released?

I think Guantamo is shit. And the shit is about to hit the fan.

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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2007, 06:19:52 AM »
If it's the terrorist who loses innocent lives, I would get what you're saying.

But here's a bunch of people, not related to the terrorists in any way, who are being held and tortured.

It could just as well be either you or me. Or any other getbigger. The point I'm making is that it's not losses for the terrorists in anyway if innocent people are sitting there.

Some people thinks that to get the guilty, we need to sacrifice many innocents.

But that's not how our society works. Eg, if there is a murder, you won't see ten people sentenced for that murder, just because the court knows that at least one of the guys is guilty.

Look at the situation at Guantanamo. Why do you think that prisoners from all other countries have been released?

I think Guantamo is shit. And the shit is about to hit the fan.

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What i'm saying is if they roughed up 100 prisoners at gitmo to get information from one true terrorist, I have ZERO problem with that.

This really is the final battle, US against THEM.  They want every american dead.  So if we have to kill 100 innocents over in the land of Ali Babba to get one true terrorist, sorry but i'm ok/fine with that. 

I'm sure tons of civilians lost their lifes when we blew Baghdad the fuck up.  SO be it........
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 07:04:58 AM »
What i'm saying is if they roughed up 100 prisoners at gitmo to get information from one true terrorist, I have ZERO problem with that.

This really is the final battle, US against THEM.  They want every american dead.  So if we have to kill 100 innocents over in the land of Ali Babba to get one true terrorist, sorry but i'm ok/fine with that. 

I'm sure tons of civilians lost their lifes when we blew Baghdad the fuck up.  SO be it........

Would you be ok with killing innocent US citizens to get the "true terrorists"?

Remember, I don't believe in the 9/11 conspiracy though. But how far would you go to get one terrorist?

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 07:06:52 AM »
Would you be ok with killing innocent US citizens to get the "true terrorists"?

Remember, I don't believe in the 9/11 conspiracy though. But how far would you go to get one terrorist?

-Hedge

A Muslim american?  hmmmmm.  Sure.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 07:21:39 AM »
What i'm saying is if they roughed up 100 prisoners at gitmo to get information from one true terrorist, I have ZERO problem with that.

Then may you or someone you love be one of those 100.

Peace out.

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2007, 07:22:16 AM »
Hedge..please research..the folks at Gitmo are bad guys..pretty much all of them. I'm sure a few are not as bad as some. I spent a few weeks down there in late Oct 2006. These guys are all pretty much terrorists..money guys..or associates of terrorists. Abu Garib was a mistake..but it was war. Nobody got killed...Please read Bravo 2-0 By Andy Mcnab...thats what Iraqi's do to prisoners.

Jag..I loose respect each every day. Iran is a major state sponsor of terrorism....the list of atrocities is long and bloody. Tehran just orchestrated a well designed public relations campaign to show how benevolent they are. They are being pushed into a corner and they reacted stupidly. What..where they going to torture folks they knew they had to give back at some point....gimme a break.
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2007, 07:24:53 AM »
Ribo there is a   dirt shack in a 3rd world shithole calling ur name..please move.
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2007, 07:25:43 AM »
Ribo there is a   dirt shack in a 3rd world shithole calling ur name..please move.

Please eat a dick.  :)

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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2007, 07:27:06 AM »
Then may you or someone you love be one of those 100.

Peace out.

go burn the american flag and have a good time asshole.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2007, 07:31:07 AM »
go burn the american flag and have a good time asshole.

Please refer to my last post in this thread.  :)

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Re: These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2007, 07:33:37 AM »
As soon as u move to any of these wonderful countries that u defend..but have never been to....I will. But since your an ethnic jew I would imagine u would last about 30 seconds. Being that unlike here where somebody might call u a name..u'd be persecuted with an AK round to the head. .....But America sucks right.
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2007, 07:40:40 AM »
since your an ethnic jew I would imagine u would last about 30 seconds

I'll just let you enjoy that happy thought for a while.  :)

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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2007, 07:58:56 AM »
Um nope..kinda like the jews actually....alot.
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2007, 08:59:54 AM »
What are you talking about? Didn't you read the headlines? ...these Iranians are a very uncivilized bunch!


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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2007, 09:00:56 AM »
Yep, ...that's pretty messed up, ...but I suppose it's better that they hang someone they have proof against, as opposed to some countries who jerk themselves off claiming to be civilized yet will condone and/or justify the murder of those someone merely suspects may be gay, ...or who will systematically, rape, torture and sodomize innocent liitle children in the name of freedom.

systematically, rape, torture and sodomize innocent liitle children in the name of freedom?
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2007, 09:03:47 AM »
systematically, rape, torture and sodomize innocent liitle children in the name of freedom?

A White House legal spokesman wouldn't rule out the mutilation of children's genetalia to get the parent to reveal information.  Also the CIA member told ABC news they told  Kalid sheikh muhammad about the torture his children were enduring.

Yes, they reserve that right.