Author Topic: Problems with the Milos Workout (Read 22491 times)

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #125 on:** April 10, 2007, 03:40:32 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on April 10, 2007, 11:37:44 AM

Milos, why act so superior and use so much sarcasm? I.E. "your majesty". You seem to have some type of martyr complex. Do you think you are Christ and about to be unfairly crucified? I am simply saying that it's common sense that anabolic steroids are part of what bodybuilding IS ALL ABOUT nowadays. You have said so yourself, in this thread you say you needed them to become a successful pro. Yes, it's common sense that the athletes drop the drugs in time to pass the test but it's not common sense to think they never did them at all. Shawn simply messed up in his calculations, didn't take the testing serious, or whatever. IMO, ALL of them had used steroids in the recent past, they just dropped them in time.I was simply giving you an idea, not saying it should be your priority. It would give you the chance to show how effective your nutritional manipulations are, etc. Could be nice promotion for your supp line. IMO, if state of the art drug testing is applied during the prep it's nowadays almost impossible to use anabolics in any capacity (since they can differentiate between endo and exo test, they look at abnormal fluctuations for example). I think you would crash dramatically in a couple of months, like every other BB, if you didn't take a single milligram of hormone.

I don't act superior - I am only very confident - thus post under my real name and state my opinions - taking full responsability for my claims.
Now - I do use sarcasm when I find appropriate as you guys find it OK to give me your suggestions - like I would really listen and agree to do something "just because"...

That is childish and therefore - my sarcasm is more than appropriate.

You are going into circle which never ends...(obviously - being a circle doesn't have neither start or finish...).

When I talk about AS - you (and others) will jump on conclusions and point fingers...
If I claim someone is drug free - you would doubt...so - as example if I pass any test - are you suggesting that you and others here on board will really take it as I was drug free - or maybe you would say (just like in your last post) I got off just on time...

So, what's the point?

Now, I can tell you with certainty passing IOC test is not easy...and if someone takes it as lightly as you - you would have nice little surprise.
There are so many factors involved...and I do know - as I researched...and under today's IOC testing abilities even I wouldn't dare try to guarantee that anyone can pass the test (OK...I have an idea...but would not bet my life...)

Anyway, my nutritional supplements and theories are sound and I will not need to prove them by being drug free...as millions around the world would be able to see it for themselves...
Drugs or no drugs - my supplements are designed to create HYPERANABOLIC STATE...and I hope you and others would try it...and if not - oh well, your loss, not mine.

kyomu · « **Reply #126 on:** April 11, 2007, 01:41:36 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on April 10, 2007, 03:22:22 PM

Mamba, mamba...are you turning green?
#1) Why posting photos more than 10 years old?
You live in the past?
What happen since than?
You obviously love bodybuilding (here every day for hours) and God knows how many hours in the gym...just to be overweight and out of shape?
Sad - indeed.

#2) As far as "Natural" comments - again, when I talk about anyone being drug free - everyone jumps on conclusions claiming there is no way mentioned guys are drug free...But, you and others - when you claim you are drug free (on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) - we suppose to believe you?

As far as comparing my Natural photos with yours - gladly - do some search and you'll find them.
I was more muscular and leaner before I even started bodybuilding than you on these pics... (Side effect of swimming, judo and karate training - before I started bodybuilding)

And if you don't understand English - don't assume what I think about Anabolics...and don't print your interpretation...
I wrote clearly - and you can go back and read it again.

Now - YOU SHOULD remember (not me) that you gained more than 10kg of pure natural bacon (rather than beef ) since these 1995 pics...
Only thing that got bigger is your stomach, face...and obviously EGO...

As I said - truth does hurts...and you can check it anytime: just look in the mirror. Do you see a bodybuilder?
I didn't think so...

First of all,I am not in the Gym all day like you. I own a japanese sweets production company for japanese restaurant here.More than BBing,I practice chi-kung more also.
And i have not lived for bbing only like you. I did several business like vending japanese animation,videos and organizing event(Of course many people came,much much more than your seminar.7000 people in 3 days.). And now I have been in food industry for 5 years. Razing my company was a battle for me, i was sleeping only 4 hours every day....

I have several pics after the competition also as i did guest posing in several disco.I will try to find them out..

As for challenge,i am not talking about 1995 version.
I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW version.You also had better read well.

Because i am keeping on being natural,and i gained more than 10 kg of pure muscle.(Since you called its becon...)
I know how to scale muscle gain since i also competed some(OK of course much much less than you.I have competed 7 shows)
In this pic I was 75kg.In off season i was like 85kg.
Now I am 97kg almost same condition as that 85kg. Thats why i know what will happen when i shed my fat off.
Also now i can train with much much heavier than before.(Of course, keep on training with very strict form)
When i am in shape,soon i will post 7 mandatorys.
Anyway, I will compete again in very near future. Its very good ocasion to challenge you.

Thats why I wanted to visit you before competing and learning some technic from you.
I can learn from Paco ,but why i cant learn from you also?

About natural. How about this.

If you accept my challenge and i win,i will visit you for sure and you do drug test to me using whoever you want.
If the result is positive,i will pay you that doping test cost plus 10000$.
If the result is negative,you will pay for that doping test cost plus paying my motel during staying there 2 weeks(Near your gym) plus train me free.
How is this??

kyomu · « **Reply #127 on:** April 11, 2007, 02:15:07 AM »

"on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) "

Well I have post it already but i repost them.

1st pic 75kg-1995
2nd pic 80kg guest pose-1996
3rd pic 97kg now
4th pic 100kg 2 month before

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #128 on:** April 11, 2007, 01:12:31 PM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on April 10, 2007, 03:40:32 PM

Now, I can tell you with certainty passing IOC test is not easy...and if someone takes it as lightly as you - you would have nice little surprise.
There are so many factors involved...and I do know - as I researched...and under today's IOC testing abilities even I wouldn't dare try to guarantee that anyone can pass the test (OK...I have an idea...but would not bet my life...)

No, I don't take the current testing methodologies lightly. I specifically said that if one was subjected to the current state of the art testing (periodically during a prep, not just on contest day) I personally would feel confident the individual didn't take any steroid hormones. I have read up on it also, WADA has the documents up online (regarding what they look for). Now, in the 80's and 90's passing them on a specific date was much easier, you could take d-bol until 2 weeks out no problem, etc. That's why I feel the athletes at the AC and the O in '91 were still taking stuff very close to the contest (and Haney for example was still 20lbs smaller that year!!!). Now of course I know you would never try to compete drug free, what would be the point? It would be a sorry sight and like any champion you want to look your best. I was just trying to make a point.

All I'm trying to say is that you are minimizing the role of hormones in bb today. It is extremely unlikely that you can win the IFBB Universe lifetime hormone free. Mike Ashley was not lifetime hormone free when he "won" the AC. You have been on the forefront of chemical experimentation (the insulin, the IV bags, the overuse of SEO - you get the point) and you still minimize the role of the drugs while you clearly know better.

skool · « **Reply #129 on:** April 11, 2007, 11:00:03 PM »

Hey kyomu. nice chicken legs buddy...

Max_Rep · « **Reply #130 on:** April 12, 2007, 12:53:54 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on April 10, 2007, 11:43:39 AM

Does anyone have pics of Mike Ashley, or know of a gallery online? I'd like to see some pics of his gyno titties that I've seen before.

Here

kyomu · « **Reply #131 on:** April 12, 2007, 05:59:42 AM »

I just keep on posting here for not disappering from first page.
I hope the deal is on.

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #132 on:** April 12, 2007, 11:34:38 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on April 11, 2007, 01:12:31 PM

No, I don't take the current testing methodologies lightly. I specifically said that if one was subjected to the current state of the art testing (periodically during a prep, not just on contest day) I personally would feel confident the individual didn't take any steroid hormones. I have read up on it also, WADA has the documents up online (regarding what they look for). Now, in the 80's and 90's passing them on a specific date was much easier, you could take d-bol until 2 weeks out no problem, etc. That's why I feel the athletes at the AC and the O in '91 were still taking stuff very close to the contest (and Haney for example was still 20lbs smaller that year!!!). Now of course I know you would never try to compete drug free, what would be the point? It would be a sorry sight and like any champion you want to look your best. I was just trying to make a point.

All I'm trying to say is that you are minimizing the role of hormones in bb today. It is extremely unlikely that you can win the IFBB Universe lifetime hormone free. Mike Ashley was not lifetime hormone free when he "won" the AC. You have been on the forefront of chemical experimentation (the insulin, the IV bags, the overuse of SEO - you get the point) and you still minimize the role of the drugs while you clearly know better.

I don't have time right now (work) but just to mention - I do not minimaze the role...but certainly telling everyone not to maximize...on the same note.

YES, AS do help tremendously...but not as much as people believe...

I am coming up with specific supplements that would be HORMONE FREE...and I would love to have natural for life athletes as the volunteers...
I can guarantee that in 30 days time - if following the protocol athletes will get drug like improvements...

Now, I would really like to test the most sceptical ones - any takers?

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #133 on:** April 12, 2007, 11:37:06 AM »

Quote from: kyomu on April 11, 2007, 02:15:07 AM

"on these pictures...BTW nice clear pictures I might add...your face is clearly recognisable...and could not be someone else...now - could it be?) "

Well I have post it already but i repost them.

1st pic 75kg-1995
2nd pic 80kg guest pose-1996
3rd pic 97kg now
4th pic 100kg 2 month before

Sorry to tell you the truth...but since 1995 it doesn't look like you gain anything but...OK...I would not say it again...
And I didn't have a time to read your other post...I'll leave it for desert later tonight.

knny187 · « **Reply #134 on:** April 12, 2007, 11:54:51 AM »

Milo's

How's your leg since the tear?

100% back to where it was & is it noticeable?

Jerryme7 · « **Reply #135 on:** April 12, 2007, 12:08:43 PM »

Milos...Id definately like to try out your supplements.

I cant tell you if i was ever natural or not for the fact that Im in the military but I really believe in youre words, training, and integrity....

finurface · « **Reply #136 on:** April 12, 2007, 12:52:01 PM »

I like guys like milos and bob chic who always say that steroids are only a minor part of the equation, but who are so scared to see how they would look like without it that they never went off since years...

What a joke...they don't even know how they would look like without it, cause they never tried to come off.

And they keep pretending they would look the same.... but how would they know, it's beyond em to do it naturally, cause they elevated their insecurity to the state of an art and are so used to bullshit the others that the now bullshit themselves.

As i said it, people on steroids lie to themselves, and as a consequence, spend their life lying to the others.

The best proof is most of the time they will deny being on steroids. Why? cause they can't even accept what they re doing, and that it's an obvious case of mental illness when psychological insecurity is pushing so far.

The Squadfather · « **Reply #137 on:** April 12, 2007, 12:53:02 PM »

Quote from: finurface on April 12, 2007, 12:52:01 PM

I like guys like milos and bob chic who always say that steroids are only a minor part of the equation, but who are so scared to see how they would look like without it that they never went off since years...

What a joke...they don't even know how they would look like without it, cause they never tried to come off.

how do you know that they never come off, skinny?

finurface · « **Reply #138 on:** April 12, 2007, 12:58:43 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on April 12, 2007, 12:53:02 PM

how do you know that they never come off, skinny?

shut up fat pork.

Keep sucking your heroes dicks.

The proof they never come off, is that they re ON you fucking retard.Cause they just can't spend more than a week off, it's too depressing; their psychological hapiness depends of their body , if their body shrinks to a normal shape, they don't feel like superman anymore.
Most of juicers are addicted to the feeling of being like "supermen"...and they can't stop cycling, especially after they tried to go off just to see. Like some people need alchohol or heroin to feel good, these guys need to be on steroids to be happy.

a natural needs to lift, to feel good. A Steroid monkey needs ...to be on steroids, to feel good.As coratch said it, most of em even need to be on steroids just to lift!

Why don't u get a job by the way? one would have think that being unemployed would have allowed you to be in shape, but look, you re a fat pig.
Damn, you suck; you cant get shit right.

benjamin pearson · « **Reply #139 on:** April 12, 2007, 01:00:27 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on April 12, 2007, 12:53:02 PM

how do you know that they never come off, skinny?

haha what does this little bagette munching queer know?

The Squadfather · « **Reply #140 on:** April 12, 2007, 01:11:09 PM »

Quote from: finurface on April 12, 2007, 12:58:43 PM

shut up fat pork.

Keep sucking your heroes dicks.

The proof they never come off, is that they re ON you fucking retard.Cause they just can't spend more than a week off, it's too depressing; their psychological hapiness depends of their body , if their body shrinks to a normal shape, they don't feel like superman anymore.
Most of juicers are addicted to the feeling of being like "supermen"...and they can't stop cycling, especially after they tried to go off just to see. Like some people need alchohol or heroin to feel good, these guys need to be on steroids to be happy.

a natural needs to lift, to feel good. A Steroid monkey needs ...to be on steroids, to feel good.As coratch said it, most of em even need to be on steroids just to lift!

Why don't u get a job by the way? one would have think that being unemployed would have allowed you to be in shape, but look, you re a fat pig.
Damn, you suck; you cant get shit right.

just what i thought, you have absolutely no proof......BTW i put your skank of a mother on the streets to make me money.

finurface · « **Reply #141 on:** April 12, 2007, 01:14:46 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on April 12, 2007, 01:11:09 PM

just what i thought, you have absolutely no proof......BTW i put your skank of a mother on the streets to make me money.

Why am i wasting my time with you, you don't even know what muscle is, you only see muscles on others people's bodies.

there's only fat on your body, why are you here?

The Squadfather · « **Reply #142 on:** April 12, 2007, 01:15:29 PM »

Quote from: finurface on April 12, 2007, 01:14:46 PM

Why am i wasting my time with you, you don't even know what muscle is, you only see muscles on others people's bodies.

there's only fat on your body, why are you here?

my arms are bigger than your chest fagggot.

Cap · « **Reply #143 on:** April 12, 2007, 02:33:53 PM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on April 12, 2007, 11:34:38 AM

I don't have time right now (work) but just to mention - I do not minimaze the role...but certainly telling everyone not to maximize...on the same note.

YES, AS do help tremendously...but not as much as people believe...

I am coming up with specific supplements that would be HORMONE FREE...and I would love to have natural for life athletes as the volunteers...
I can guarantee that in 30 days time - if following the protocol athletes will get drug like improvements...

Now, I would really like to test the most sceptical ones - any takers?

Sign me up.

kyomu · « **Reply #144 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:24:43 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on April 12, 2007, 11:37:06 AM

Sorry to tell you the truth...but since 1995 it doesn't look like you gain anything but...OK...I would not say it again...
And I didn't have a time to read your other post...I'll leave it for desert later tonight.

I told it to my friends and all of them are laughing at you and surprised at this comment saying"Verdad que ha dicho eso!?(Really did he say that!?)".

Dont worry.You have plenty of time to reply me.
I am waiting.
I know you are a guy who never escape

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #145 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:44:07 AM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on April 12, 2007, 12:53:02 PM

how do you know that they never come off, skinny?

Well, and I'm speculating of course, but take someone like Milos for example: he competed extremely frequently for a LONG time, meaning he was ON most of the time. Most of the time the HPTA never recover fully after years of doing this. When we have an athlete like this it's actually healthier to stay on some test than cleaning out completely. Therefore I'd venture to guess that Milos is on at least some HRT when he is "off". I don't think he'd be able to carry the amount of mass he does currently, with amazing conditioning year round too, if he was totally off everything. Like I said, it's not even healthy to go around with low test so there isn't even any point from a health standpoint. You can maintain a lot if you are on a low dose of test (and some hGH). This is what most of the retired pros who still carry good physiques do.

Do you disagree?

Mike Morris probably cleaned out totally and we all saw the result.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #146 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:46:16 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on April 12, 2007, 11:34:38 AM

I am coming up with specific supplements that would be HORMONE FREE...and I would love to have natural for life athletes as the volunteers...
I can guarantee that in 30 days time - if following the protocol athletes will get drug like improvements...

Now, I would really like to test the most sceptical ones - any takers?

I am looking forward to seeing your line of supplements. If they are unique, and there is something in them never done before by a supplement company I'll try them for sure.

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #147 on:** April 13, 2007, 09:56:29 AM »

Quote from: kyomu on April 13, 2007, 02:24:43 AM

I told it to my friends and all of them are laughing at you and surprised at this comment saying"Verdad que ha dicho eso!?(Really did he say that!?)".

Dont worry.You have plenty of time to reply me.
I am waiting.
I know you are a guy who never escape

Same friends that are telling you how handsome, smart, funny, good looking...etc, etc...you truly are - while you are paying for dinner or drinks?

I was being nice...What happen to you is...disaster of Titanic proportions...

Just look at your "after" and "before"...it should be the other way around Mamba.

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #148 on:** April 13, 2007, 09:59:31 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on April 13, 2007, 04:46:16 AM

I am looking forward to seeing your line of supplements. If they are unique, and there is something in them never done before by a supplement company I'll try them for sure.

I will explain everything in great details and I hope that even sceptics will agree that IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE to take them...and I have a feeling many will.

kyomu · « **Reply #149 on:** April 13, 2007, 10:11:34 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on April 13, 2007, 09:56:29 AM

Same friends that are telling you how handsome, smart, funny, good looking...etc, etc...you truly are - while you are paying for dinner or drinks?

I was being nice...What happen to you is...disaster of Titanic proportions...

Just look at your "after" and "before"...it should be the other way around Mamba.

As i stated, I was at this fat condition once with 87kg. And now 97kg with this fat condition.
Every month you will see drastical difference and i will be in contest condition with 83kg(Of course without drinking water too).
My weight was 75kg in this 1995pic.

Also telling you, why dont you say same thing to Mr.Priest who have never be beaten by you?He is pretty fat in off-season, But,under his fat, there are plenty of mass than you.

I told you, i am preparing for contest again.Or you didnt read my post before?
MY BEST CONDITION IN 2 MONTH WILL BEAT YOUR OLD NATURAL BODY OR NOT.
That is the deal isnt that?
Are you escaping?