Croach, Please go to natural BBing board

[kyomu]

croatch, have you ever taken steroids?

According to 240, YES.

[Croatch]

Yeah, tried a cycle in 94' for 2 months.  Realized any douchebag could gain muscle on these, then became a man and trained naturally...hha
In all honesty though, gaining 5lbs naturally/without drugs is much tougher than 20lbs on dbol.  That's kind of the point.  Plus, look around most gyms and see how many guys put on 15lbs in a few months through gear, these guys are a dime a dozen and get no respect from me.

[sgt. d]

Yeah, tried a cycle in 94' for 2 months.  Realized any douchebag could gain muscle on these, then became a man and trained naturally...hha
In all honesty though, gaining 5lbs naturally/without drugs is much tougher than 20lbs on dbol.  That's kind of the point.  Plus, look around most gyms and see how many guys put on 15lbs in a few months through gear, these guys are a dime a dozen and get no respect from me.

Why do you care what other people do?

[Rimbaud]

Why do you care what other people do?

That's the question I'd like answered too. Why does it matter what someone else does?.

[Rimbaud]

because he criticizes people for doing the same as him.

So it would seem but it's usually the same comments over & over. I'd like to hear/see something new (at the vary least).

[kyomu]

Maybe he is hiding some truth like...
He wanted to keep on juicing, but he had a health problem or removed his gyno...etc.Then he couldnt juice up anymore.
Then he act like this.
Because his attitude is totaly look like those who are jealous about something he wanted to have and failed to have.

[gordiano]

 

There is no re-cherrying your prom date.

Even is you pray to Jesus REAL HARD?

[Croatch]

Why do you care what other people do?

Yes, why do you care what I post?  hahah, Quite possibly the dumbest comment around.  Everyone to some degree cares what other people do, it's called civilization.

I now have no respect for your "physique"

you look like shit for a juicer, and what little you do have is all drugs.

go play in traffic

hope this helps

Did one cycle 13 years ago and kept none of the gains, then dropping to nothing @150lbs, now I'm 208 @8%bf.  So from A-B without drugs.
So no, the little 58lbs lean gain was all me and no drugs.  Playing in traffic is awesome!

Maybe he is hiding some truth like...
He wanted to keep on juicing, but he had a health problem or removed his gyno...etc.Then he couldnt juice up anymore.
Then he act like this.
Because his attitude is totaly look like those who are jealous about something he wanted to have and failed to have.

I wish that was the case and you were right, I would just say, yeah...that's kind of it.  In actuality though, I'm not jealous of 2nd rate juiceheads, I almost laugh at them.  How can you be jealous of someone who doesn't look as good as you and takes drugs to get there?
Could it be I feel lifting shouldn't be about drugs and people confuse hardcore drug use with dedication?  Sorry, the whole gym scene is shot and the majority of juicers are clowns in my eyes.  Was I a clown at 18, yes...ahah  I also used to collect baseball cards then too.  Grow up and get real.  Gear is for little boys trying to be men.

There is no re-cherrying your prom date.

Even is you pray to Jesus REAL HARD?

I don't care that I'm not considered "natural" by some.  I know what I've gained on my own and that's all that really matters.  I can't imagine feeling and fulfillment gaining some bloat weight on anabolics.  People are just delusional and confuse the drugs with "their own" gains.  Clowns man.

[kyomu]

Yes, why do you care what I post?  hahah, Quite possibly the dumbest comment around.  Everyone to some degree cares what other people do, it's called civilization.Did one cycle 13 years ago and kept none of the gains, then dropping to nothing @150lbs, now I'm 208 @8%bf.  So from A-B without drugs.
So no, the little 58lbs lean gain was all me and no drugs.  Playing in traffic is awesome!I wish that was the case and you were right, I would just say, yeah...that's kind of it.  In actuality though, I'm not jealous of 2nd rate juiceheads, I almost laugh at them.  How can you be jealous of someone who doesn't look as good as you and takes drugs to get there?
Could it be I feel lifting shouldn't be about drugs and people confuse hardcore drug use with dedication?  Sorry, the whole gym scene is shot and the majority of juicers are clowns in my eyes.  Was I a clown at 18, yes...ahah  I also used to collect baseball cards then too.  Grow up and get real.  Gear is for little boys trying to be men. ;)I don't care that I'm not considered "natural" by some.  I know what I've gained on my own and that's all that really matters.  I can't imagine feeling and fulfillment gaining some bloat weight on anabolics.  People are just delusional and confuse the drugs with "their own" gains.  Clowns man.

Hey Croach, you dont notice logicaly you are wrong?
OK. I put myself in the point of you and say that juicers get result easily.
Then why you can see many size difference in juicers?Why flex wheeler didnt use like 1 litter of test against ronnie?So Ronnie took 1 gallon?
I know a guy in the gym who use test like water and own shitty body.

Also,
We(You and me) are natural. Now imagine:If  both of us use gear to compete,you still train hard and i still train hard. Whats the difference between competing naturaly and using juice? Anyway we would be training hard.

So why dont you see pros with that point of view?They train hard too. Why you want to compare yourself with them?Its totaly nonsence. You are natural BBer. So I am.
If they say:Hey skinny bber,then i would comment same as you. But about effort,they are same hard trainee as natural competitors.

[Croatch]

Hey Croach, you dont notice logicaly you are wrong?
OK. I put myself in the point of you and say that juicers get result easily.
Then why you can see many size difference in juicers?Why flex wheeler didnt use like 1 litter of test against ronnie?So Ronnie took 1 gallon?
I know a guy in the gym who use test like water and own shitty body.

Also,
We(You and me) are natural. Now imagine:If  both of us use gear to compete,you still train hard and i still train hard. Whats the difference between competing naturaly and using juice? Anyway we would be training hard.

So why dont you see pros with that point of view?They train hard too. Why you want to compare yourself with them?Its totaly nonsence. You are natural BBer. So I am.
If they say:Hey skinny bber,then i would comment same as you. But about effort,they are same hard trainee as natural competitors.

Agreed.  I'm not saying all juicers have no work ethic, but far too many use it as a crutch cause they simply do not have what it takes to make substantial gains without drugs.  These guys are pathetic.  Just cause you juice, doesn't mean you are.  However, the majority who juice are not pro level and usually look like dog shit.  Most likely, have a shitty diet on top of that.

[240 is Back]

Using steroids is a trade-off, whether people will admit it or not.  

People who choose to use are more likely to have health and legal issues, without a doubt.

health - Just like people who ride a motorcycle, drink on the weekends, or work high stress jobs.
legal - Just like people who try to score weed or whatever, it's always there but as are the risks.

It's their choice.  I would never hate on anyone for making that choice.  Hell, if no one ever used, there would be no sport of bodybuilding to follow.  We're all gonna die of the cardiac or the cancer if something manmade doesn't claim us first.  If someone chooses to spend their 60 years with 20+ more pounds of muscle and ends up losing 5 years as a trade off, perhaps it's worth it to them.  

[kyomu]

Agreed.  I'm not saying all juicers have no work ethic, but far too many use it as a crutch cause they simply do not have what it takes to make substantial gains without drugs.  These guys are pathetic.  Just cause you juice, doesn't mean you are.  However, the majority who juice are not pro level and usually look like dog shit.  Most likely, have a shitty diet on top of that.

Agreed too. Anyway I want you to admit that There is no easy way, thats why i beat many juicer in contest and i am planning to do it again with heavier weight.
But at the same time, i respect top amateur and top pro.
Anyway, competition is very hard.
Dont talk about gym rat.About them i have same opinion as you. But still we both beat them ,dont we!

[Croatch]

I agree.  It's someones choice and if you use gear, I don't automatically dislike you.  I have a little less respect for your gains, but that's about it.
The biggest problem with gear is the high number of douchebags who currently take them.  Look around and tell me the majority of juicers aren't complete tools.

[Croatch]

Agreed too. Anyway I want you to admit that There is no easy way, thats why i beat many juicer in contest and i am planning to do it again with heavier weight.
But at the same time, i respect top amateur and top pro.
Anyway, competition is very hard.
Dont talk about gym rat.About them i have same opinion as you. But still we both beat them ,dont we! Wink

If the playing field is level, it's not cheating or weak.  I just laugh at gym rats who walk around like they won the Arnold cause they found out how to inject themselves with test.  It's no accomplishment to ingest drugs, that's my point.

[240 is Back]

I agree.  It's someones choice and if you use gear, I don't automatically dislike you.  I have a little less respect for your gains, but that's about it.

How many people here "have respect" for anyone's gains in the gym?

Honestly, if a guy gains 30 or zero pounds of muscle in a year, I don't notice, nor care.  Same if he makes $0 or $500,000 that year.  his business, doesn't affect me.

The biggest problem with gear is the high number of douchebags who currently take them.  Look around and tell me the majority of juicers aren't complete tools.

The majority of *people* are complete tools.  So as a rule, the majority of cab drivers, lawyers, juicers, McDonalds customers, and getbig posters will be douchebags also.  It's just how the world is.

[kyomu]

The majority of *people* are complete tools.  So as a rule, the majority of cab drivers, lawyers, juicers, McDonalds customers, and getbig posters will be douchebags also.  It's just how the world is.

Good taoism answer.

[kyomu]

I think this case is closed.
Thanx to everybody here and you, Croach.

[Croatch]

The majority of *people* are complete tools.  So as a rule, the majority of cab drivers, lawyers, juicers, McDonalds customers, and getbig posters will be douchebags also.  It's just how the world is.

hahah, How true.  No shortage of assclowns in the world.  Funny, cause everyone thinks that.

I think this case is closed.
Thanx to everybody here and you, Croach.

No man, I'm not done, roids suck and I rule!! hahaha

[Croatch]

yet you couldn't?

I gained close to 40lbs in 2 months, mainly water I'm sure, but all the same.  Tell me 30-40lbs in 2 months isn't laughable.  That was on a mediocre diet.  It's a joke man.
My diet didn't support the muscle I had at the time, plus I didn't cycle right.  No, I'm not mad I lost that 2 cent sorry ass gear weight...aha
Hope that helps.

[sgt. d]

Croatch why do you come on a bodybuilding site then? You know that steroids are a part of it. So why are you here? Just to bash people who use gear? Im trying to understand your way of thinking but I cant. I really think you should see a doctor. You seem angry all the time. In all your pics and videos you seem like you are mad at the world. We know that you looked like shit on gear but dont trash people who dont have shitty genetics like you.

[tom joad]

Croatch why do you come on a bodybuilding site then? You know that steroids are a part of it.

just a wild guess . . . but maybe he doesn't think steroids should be a part of it?

[sgt. d]

just a wild guess . . . but maybe he doesn't think steroids should be a part of it?

The guy still uses gear but tries to deny it. I dont understand why he bash people who uses gear but he does the same.

[Croatch]

just a wild guess . . . but maybe he doesn't think steroids should be a part of it?

hahah, Good call.

The guy still uses gear but tries to deny it. I dont understand why he bash people who uses gear but he does the same.

Yeah, still use gear, good call smart guy.  If I'm on gear, I want a rebate.  Just like most the people I see on should.
Sorry, just the one cycle many years back.

Croatch why do you come on a bodybuilding site then? You know that steroids are a part of it. So why are you here? Just to bash people who use gear? Im trying to understand your way of thinking but I cant. I really think you should see a doctor. You seem angry all the time. In all your pics and videos you seem like you are mad at the world. We know that you looked like shit on gear but dont trash people who dont have shitty genetics like you.

In all my videos I seem mad at the world.  Take a closer look, I don't seem too mad....haha  Making dumbass infomercials...yeah, real hatred.  Ron Moaster is one angry fuck! ahah
I agree, my genetics are shit, where does that leave you now?

[whitewidow]

croatch has juiced and used synthol

[Croatch]

croatch has juiced and used synthol Tongue

Ahh, my biggest fan.  I was wondering what too you so long to post.