CHICKEN HAWKS

[vinnydountsnyc]

The Republican Congressional leadership:
(until recently) ALL "CHICKENHAWKS":


        Republicans Conservative attacked President Clinton for having questioned the Vietnam War.  But unlike ChickenHawks, Liberals like Bill Clinton fought to save ALL American young men from injury and/or death in a senseless war -- which most of us now belatedly understand was the right thing to do. --
        On the other hand there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly conservatives who supported the war and argued in favor of other young Americans going off to fight and die in Vietnam, while "conserving" their own precious hides stateside!  Here are just a few of these high profile, holier than thou hypocrites:

George W. Bush -- used his family connections (what else is new?!?) to get into the Air National Guard and then "deserted" his post for two years. but still got an "Honorable Discharge".
see AWOL from National Guard Duty
Dick Cheney     -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).


The whole Bush Family's aversion to Military Service:
      [ Correct me, if am wrong, but since I could not find any evidence that any of the following did serve, I am assuming that they didn't.]
None of George W. Bush's three brothers, Jeb, Marvin, or Neil served.
None of George H. W. Bush's three brothers, Jonathan J. , William T. , or Prescott S. Bush served.
President George H. W. Bush's sister, Dorothy Walker Bush was married and divorced twice, and dated reportedly gay Congressman David Dreier for a year.  Does that count ?
Neither of President George W. Bush's two adult children (twin daughters) have served.
Neither of Governor Jeb Bush's two adult children (son & daughter) have served.
Who knows if either of brother Jonathan J. Bush's two adult sons have served?

 
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. Senate:
Old Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott : avoided the draft, did not serve.
New Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments, to teach business.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee" He defeated tripelegic Democratic war hero Max Cleland by questioning his patriotism!
 
Don Nickles: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
 Phil Gramm: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve.
 
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. House :
Newt Gingrich   -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader John A. Boehner - did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
 
G.O.P. Leader Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bob Ney: did not serve.
David Dreier: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
John M. McHugh: did not serve.
 JC Watts: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Bob Barr: did not serve.
Mark Souder: did not serve.
Walter Jones: did not serve.
Katherine Harris: did not serve. .

 
Republican chickenhawks in the Executive & Judicial branches:

Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
Kenneth Starr : sought deferment (for psoriasis).
Bill Bennett : sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Ted Olson, (Starr's assistand, and since Solictor General)
 
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Ari Fleischer: did not serve.
Andrew Card: did not serve.
Ken Adelman: did not serve.
 Don Evans: did not serve.
Michael Ledeen: did not serve.
Elliott Abrams: did not serve.
John Bolton: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
 
Supreme Court : 
John G. Roberts, Jr.: did not serve.
Samuel Alito: did not serve.
 Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
 
The LIBERAL John Paul Stevens is the only current justice who DID serve, (in the Navy during the 3 worst years of WW II).

Republican chickenhawk Mouthpieces :
Rush Limbaugh   -- sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
George Will     -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Pat Buchanan     -- sought deferment (for bad knee).
Pat Robertson   -- his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
John Wayne     -- sought deferment (to further acting career).
 
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Matt Drudge: did not serve.
Steve Forbes: did not serve.
Tony Snow: did not serve.
Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
Brit Hume: did not serve.
Roger Ailes: did not serve.
 Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Anne Coulter: did not serve.
Jerry Falwell: did not serve.
Alan Keyes : did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve.
 
 
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For a great set of Playing Cards for only $14.95, check out
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DEMOCRATIC LEADERS
who "walked the walk" :


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        While most Democrats don't just say that war should be the last resort but truly believe it and try to resolve conflicts through more peaceful means, when just wars have been necessary and unavoidable, they have a long established record of putting their own lives and those of their own children on the line, rather than persuading other people to sacrifice themselves and their children:

Senator & Presidential Candidate McGovern, one of the elite few Air Force bomber pilots to fly the maximum 35 successful bombing missions in WW II. Stephen Ambrose, who wrote a book about him, called him "one of the greatest patriots I know."
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
Gov. & President Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53.
Gov. & presidential candidate, Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57.
Sen. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters.
Gov. & U.S. Sen. Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam.
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two.
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Sen. Howell Heflin: Silver star.
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71..
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72.
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Jim McDermott: Navy.
Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gen. Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.
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        One of the most consistent supporters among prominent Democrats of G.W. Bush, when it comes to his war in Iraq, is Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. Joe never served in the military, which may be why he has been one of the Democratic Party's most enthusiastic chickenhawks, and why he was a prime candidate to become Bush's Secretary of Defense, if and when Rumsfeld could be forced to resign.
 

[militarymuscle69]

you couldn't find one person that supports the war that served? I mean serious. See the difference between Vietnam and Iraq is we are all volunteer military now. I agree it was bad in vietnam that people that never served would send others to fight for them. But In my 10 years of service I have been deployed for 5. But that is my job, the other 5 I have collected a pay check all the same. I don't have a problem going to Iraq again if needed, I joined as a volunteer.

[G o a t b o y]

The Republican Congressional leadership:
(until recently) ALL "CHICKENHAWKS":


        Republicans Conservative attacked President Clinton for having questioned the Vietnam War.  But unlike ChickenHawks, Liberals like Bill Clinton fought to save ALL American young men from injury and/or death in a senseless war -- which most of us now belatedly understand was the right thing to do. --
        On the other hand there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly conservatives who supported the war and argued in favor of other young Americans going off to fight and die in Vietnam, while "conserving" their own precious hides stateside!  Here are just a few of these high profile, holier than thou hypocrites:

So what?  I haven't "served" either.  Neither have a majority of my generation, unlike previous generations when we had a draft and major wars.  Does that mean I'm not entitled to an opinion on the current war one way or the other?

[The Enigma]

The Republican Congressional leadership:
(until recently) ALL "CHICKENHAWKS":


        Republicans Conservative attacked President Clinton for having questioned the Vietnam War.  But unlike ChickenHawks, Liberals like Bill Clinton fought to save ALL American young men from injury and/or death in a senseless war -- which most of us now belatedly understand was the right thing to do. --
        On the other hand there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly conservatives who supported the war and argued in favor of other young Americans going off to fight and die in Vietnam, while "conserving" their own precious hides stateside!  Here are just a few of these high profile, holier than thou hypocrites:

George W. Bush -- used his family connections (what else is new?!?) to get into the Air National Guard and then "deserted" his post for two years. but still got an "Honorable Discharge".
see AWOL from National Guard Duty
Dick Cheney     -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).


The whole Bush Family's aversion to Military Service:
      [ Correct me, if am wrong, but since I could not find any evidence that any of the following did serve, I am assuming that they didn't.]
None of George W. Bush's three brothers, Jeb, Marvin, or Neil served.
None of George H. W. Bush's three brothers, Jonathan J. , William T. , or Prescott S. Bush served.
President George H. W. Bush's sister, Dorothy Walker Bush was married and divorced twice, and dated reportedly gay Congressman David Dreier for a year.  Does that count ?
Neither of President George W. Bush's two adult children (twin daughters) have served.
Neither of Governor Jeb Bush's two adult children (son & daughter) have served.
Who knows if either of brother Jonathan J. Bush's two adult sons have served?

 
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. Senate:
Old Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott : avoided the draft, did not serve.
New Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments, to teach business.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee" He defeated tripelegic Democratic war hero Max Cleland by questioning his patriotism!
 
Don Nickles: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
 Phil Gramm: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve.
 
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. House :
Newt Gingrich   -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader John A. Boehner - did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
 
G.O.P. Leader Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bob Ney: did not serve.
David Dreier: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
John M. McHugh: did not serve.
 JC Watts: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Bob Barr: did not serve.
Mark Souder: did not serve.
Walter Jones: did not serve.
Katherine Harris: did not serve. .

 
Republican chickenhawks in the Executive & Judicial branches:

Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
Kenneth Starr : sought deferment (for psoriasis).
Bill Bennett : sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Ted Olson, (Starr's assistand, and since Solictor General)
 
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Ari Fleischer: did not serve.
Andrew Card: did not serve.
Ken Adelman: did not serve.
 Don Evans: did not serve.
Michael Ledeen: did not serve.
Elliott Abrams: did not serve.
John Bolton: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
 
Supreme Court : 
John G. Roberts, Jr.: did not serve.
Samuel Alito: did not serve.
 Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
 
The LIBERAL John Paul Stevens is the only current justice who DID serve, (in the Navy during the 3 worst years of WW II).

Republican chickenhawk Mouthpieces :
Rush Limbaugh   -- sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
George Will     -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Pat Buchanan     -- sought deferment (for bad knee).
Pat Robertson   -- his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
John Wayne     -- sought deferment (to further acting career).
 
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Matt Drudge: did not serve.
Steve Forbes: did not serve.
Tony Snow: did not serve.
Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
Brit Hume: did not serve.
Roger Ailes: did not serve.
 Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Anne Coulter: did not serve.
Jerry Falwell: did not serve.
Alan Keyes : did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve.
 
 
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For a great illustrated version of this list, check out
angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/gop-pansies.html
For a great shockwave version, check out
toostupidtobepresident.c om/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
For "Chickenhawk Blues" song http://scroom.com/chickenhawkblues
For a great set of Playing Cards for only $14.95, check out
www.chickenhawkcards.com
 


DEMOCRATIC LEADERS
who "walked the walk" :


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        While most Democrats don't just say that war should be the last resort but truly believe it and try to resolve conflicts through more peaceful means, when just wars have been necessary and unavoidable, they have a long established record of putting their own lives and those of their own children on the line, rather than persuading other people to sacrifice themselves and their children:

Senator & Presidential Candidate McGovern, one of the elite few Air Force bomber pilots to fly the maximum 35 successful bombing missions in WW II. Stephen Ambrose, who wrote a book about him, called him "one of the greatest patriots I know."
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
Gov. & President Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53.
Gov. & presidential candidate, Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57.
Sen. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters.
Gov. & U.S. Sen. Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam.
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two.
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Sen. Howell Heflin: Silver star.
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71..
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72.
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Jim McDermott: Navy.
Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gen. Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.
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        One of the most consistent supporters among prominent Democrats of G.W. Bush, when it comes to his war in Iraq, is Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. Joe never served in the military, which may be why he has been one of the Democratic Party's most enthusiastic chickenhawks, and why he was a prime candidate to become Bush's Secretary of Defense, if and when Rumsfeld could be forced to resign.
 

Great post. One thing......you missed, Rush "opium" Limbaugh who missed the Vietnam war due to a pimple on his ass.

This list clearly shows who the talkers are......vs..... who are willing to FIGHT for their country.

Vinny.....don't waste your time talking to guys like MM69.....this moron says the U.S. won the Vietnam war. ( Koolaid drinking, delusional  putz.)

Most of us Ignore/Mute MM69.........because his face is usually stuck to Rush "opium" Limbaugh, as well as Bill "phone sex" O'Reilly's ASS.  (Neither served.)

Just ignore him..........he's worthless.....besides, he calls himself "MilitaryMuscle" yet he's an Air Force guy who saw NO ACTION in the Iraq theater. Unlike myself.

MM69= All talk.............NO WALK. Typical GOPer ChickenHawk, in my book. He only deserves to be IGNORED......due to his blind IGNORANCE.

BTW Vinny, Mr Intenseone is another Rush / O'Reilly ass kissing, ChickenHawk suckup, who should be treated like the CHICKENHAWK he is.

Hope this helps. 

[OKMike]

I love how you pointed out all of the Bush family that did not serve but forgot to mention the military accomplishments of George H. W. Bush.

[The Enigma]

I love how you pointed out all of the Bush family that did not serve but forgot to mention the military accomplishments of George H. W. Bush.

OKMike......how many Tours in Iraq did you do for your country??

[vinnydountsnyc]

poppa bush was a war hero !
his sons on the other had are cowards of the worse kind !

[The Enigma]

poppa bush was a war hero !
his sons on the other had are cowards of the worse kind !

Vinny.....this board is full of Chickenhawks. I think it's time we borrow Dickless Cheney's 12 gauge and go hunting.

What do you think??? 

[militarymuscle69]

Great post. One thing......you missed, Rush "opium" Limbaugh who missed the Vietnam war due to a pimple on his ass.

This list clearly shows who the talkers are......vs..... who are willing to FIGHT for their country.

Vinny.....don't waste your time talking to guys like MM69.....this moron says the U.S. won the Vietnam war. ( Koolaid drinking, delusional  putz.)

Most of us Ignore/Mute MM69.........because his face is usually stuck to Rush "opium" Limbaugh, as well as Bill "phone sex" O'Reilly's ASS.  (Neither served.)

Just ignore him..........he's worthless.....besides, he calls himself "MilitaryMuscle" yet he's an Air Force guy who saw NO ACTION in the Iraq theater. Unlike myself.

MM69= All talk.............NO WALK. Typical GOPer ChickenHawk, in my book. He only deserves to be IGNORED......due to his blind IGNORANCE.

BTW Vinny, Mr Intenseone is another Rush / O'Reilly ass kissing, ChickenHawk suckup, who should be treated like the CHICKENHAWK he is.

Hope this helps. 

I'm glad you think my 2 trips to Iraq don't count...and my stance on Vietnam is we ended up achieveing our goals, not sure how that equals total defeat

[Thick Nick]

Vinny.....this board is full of Chickenhawks. I think it's time we borrow Dickless Cheney's 12 gauge and go hunting.

What do you think??? 

Enigma...in case you haven't noticed lately...the military is a volunteer service. Stop demeening those who chose to love and defend this country. If you choose not too, knock yourself out, but stop with elitist you know better attitude. It is sickening.

[The Enigma]

Enigma...in case you haven't noticed lately...the military is a volunteer service. Stop demeening those who chose to love and defend this country. If you choose not too, knock yourself out, but stop with elitist you know better attitude. It is sickening.

Clearly, you don't know my background. So I suggest you STFU.

[militarymuscle69]

Clearly, you don't know my background. So I suggest you STFU.

here let me fill you in...went to Iraq (which I respect), saw some some bad things (which he thinks he is the only one to have see that stuff) then lost his head and got out because he couldn't take anymore

[Dos Equis]

Clearly, you don't know my background. So I suggest you STFU.

How could he not?  You talk about it every day.  You deserve major props for your combat service, but I also find the constant attempt to demean others based on their lack of service irritating.

You don't have to use your service as some sort of weapon.  Lots of people on here, including me, respect and appreciate what you've done for your country.   

[militarymuscle69]

How could he not?  You talk about it every day.  You deserve major props for your combat service, but I also find the constant attempt to demean others based on their lack of service irritating.

You don't have to use your service as some sort of weapon.  Lots of people on here, including me, respect and appreciate what you've done for your country.   

he doesn't only bash those that haven't served, he bashes those that were there beside him because our opinion of what was going on is different...

[Dos Equis]

he doesn't only bash those that haven't served, he bashes those that were there beside him because our opinion of what was going on is different...

True.  He attacked you because you served in the Air Force and wgtlifter because he served in the Navy.  I don't make any distinctions.  I think all three of you made an equal sacrifice in service to your country.  Kudos to all of you.   

Edit:  And Headhunter too. 

[Mr. Intenseone]

Great post. One thing......you missed, Rush "opium" Limbaugh who missed the Vietnam war due to a pimple on his ass.

This list clearly shows who the talkers are......vs..... who are willing to FIGHT for their country.

Vinny.....don't waste your time talking to guys like MM69.....this moron says the U.S. won the Vietnam war. ( Koolaid drinking, delusional  putz.)

Most of us Ignore/Mute MM69.........because his face is usually stuck to Rush "opium" Limbaugh, as well as Bill "phone sex" O'Reilly's ASS.  (Neither served.)

Just ignore him..........he's worthless.....besides, he calls himself "MilitaryMuscle" yet he's an Air Force guy who saw NO ACTION in the Iraq theater. Unlike myself.

MM69= All talk.............NO WALK. Typical GOPer ChickenHawk, in my book. He only deserves to be IGNORED......due to his blind IGNORANCE.

BTW Vinny, Mr Intenseone is another Rush / O'Reilly ass kissing, ChickenHawk suckup, who should be treated like the CHICKENHAWK he is.

Hope this helps. 

You think just because someone served that nakes them an "expert" on the war, I thought Doctors were smarter than that?

[militarymuscle69]

True.  He attacked you because you served in the Air Force and wgtlifter because he served in the Navy.  I don't make any distinctions.  I think all three of you made an equal sacrifice in service to your country.  Kudos to all of you.   

Edit:  And Headhunter too. 

well he doesn't even try to hear our experience in Iraq, everyone assumes that the navy sit out in the gulf, but forget about SEABEES and corpsmen. Same with the Air Force, they assume we just sit behind the wall but forget about RED HORSE, EOD and others that are on the outside on a daily basis.

[vinnydountsnyc]

SERVING DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT ! BUT DODGING THE DRAFT MEANS YOU SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND NEVER BE IN CHARGE OF OUR MILITARY ! AND THAT FAT FUCKING DRUG USER RUSH SHOULD REALLY SHUT THE FUCK UP !

[Cap]

SERVING DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT ! BUT DODGING THE DRAFT MEANS YOU SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND NEVER BE IN CHARGE OF OUR MILITARY ! AND THAT FAT FUCKING DRUG USER RUSH SHOULD REALLY SHUT THE FUCK UP !

Clinton?  Hmmm.....

[vinnydountsnyc]

ALL MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES SHARE IN THE WORK !
ANYONE WHO TRIES TO DEMEAN THE OTHER IS A MORON !

[vinnydountsnyc]

CLINTON AND BUSH ! SAME SHIT DIFFERENT TYPE OF COWARD

[vinnydountsnyc]

SEE THE POINT IS AMERICAS LEADERS ARE FOR THE MOST PART COWARDS !
REAL MEN DONT SEEM TO GET INTO POLITICS ANY MORE

[Mr. Intenseone]

CLINTON AND BUSH ! SAME SHIT DIFFERENT TYPE OF COWARD

No not the same difference..........at least Bush was apart of the military no matter how you want to classify him, Clinton.......well .

Another............One "coward", Clinton, didn't do anything (basically ran) when we were attacked on his watch while the other faced it head on and is trying to do something against it!

[vinnydountsnyc]

at least Bush was apart of the military no matter how you want to classify him,
LET SEE I WOULD CLASSIFY HIM A DADDIES BOY !

[militarymuscle69]

SEE THE POINT IS AMERICAS LEADERS ARE FOR THE MOST PART COWARDS !
REAL MEN DONT SEEM TO GET INTO POLITICS ANY MORE

people think that EVERY military member gets deployed during a war. Currently only 50% of the military force has actually see time in Iraq/Afghan. So are those people that havent' gone classified as cowards? Bush was just one of many that were in the military during Vietnam that didn't actually do time in vietnam