Gunman incident on Virginia Tech campus

[ribonucleic]

She said she was playing dead (which saved her)The class was a german course.

No comment.

[body88]

No comment.

You might be able to catch the interview on cnn. It is very chilling/sad.

[ribonucleic]

I guess there's no denying it's their "beat". But somehow, the idea of the campus newspaper working this story seems distasteful to me.

I mean there can't be one of them who - in addition to their shock, grief, etc - aren't thinking, "Damn, this is going to look amazing on my resume."

[JOHN MATRIX]

he was Azn, he probably logged on and hacked their warning systems between the shootings

[Camel Jockey]

he was Azn, he probably logged on and hacked their warning systems between the shootings

LOL and probably played some warcraft as well. 

[Tre]

The class was a german course.

Ah, so he was set off by the recent dialogue between Al Sharpton and Germany.

[body88]

Ah, so he was set off by the recent dialogue between Al Sharpton and Germany.

Frekin Al Sharpton 

[Tre]

I guess there's no denying it's their "beat". But somehow, the idea of the campus newspaper working this story seems distasteful to me.

I mean there can't be one of them who - in addition to their shock, grief, etc - aren't thinking, "Damn, this is going to look amazing on my resume."

Well, the lady on Fox news asked the campus reporter, "What's the front page going to look like tomorrow" and his reply was that they'd already decided to expand to 16 pages from their usual 8-12 pages in order to get the story covered from as many angles as possible, which included speaking with local businesses about the effect this might have on them.  

I can't help but think that at least 30-35% of people nationwide are interested in seeing actual photos and video of the carnage.  

[ribonucleic]

included speaking with local businesses about the effect this might have on them. 

<< Phil Thompson, the manager of Bowl-Mor Lanes on DeKalb Avenue, reports that fewer people than expected turned out for Monday night's 2-for-1 shoe rental promotion. "This has just been a terrible event all around." >>

[blinky]

Thanks for telling me stuff I already knew dickhead.  Like I said, if people coming on campus had no knowledge of this and the kid went outside in an open field he could have easily capped people, maybe not 30 but I would say at least 5-10 before getting shot.  Remember he was completely off campus.  My point with UT is not about rifles ya douche, it was about how despite being outside you can still kill people. 

BTW, wtf does this have to do with CQB?  Do you even know what that means? What it entails?  Have you ever trained for it besides playing HALO while staying at home all day?  Seriously, I schooled you in military knowledge before, don't start this again pal.
 You and 240 don't get it.  Unless you cut off all entrances and exits, tell everybody in the dorm not to come out and position a roving officer on every floor to ensure the shooter isn't walking ANY halls, then this guy could have easily gone on to kill more people.  This isn't a high school of 1000-5000.  It is a university of 25000 with many off campus students ariving throughout the day.

i gotta agree with cap here...with upwards of 14,000 people already on route, cancelling classes and locking the buildings really wouldnt have done much good. these people still would have arrived there and been walking around the campus.
and how safe would it be to lock the buildings when you dont know where the shooter is...he could have been in one of the buildings.
there was no real way to stop the students from showing up


just my thoughts..right or wrong

im sure some sort of plan will be made in the coming weeks to deal with something like this if (god forbid) it should happen again

[blinky]

im seeing people saying "why didnt the kids rush him at some point to stop him"

are you kidding me!! its easy to say this shit after its all done and it wasnt you involved. and yes youre mad and wish something would have been done to stop it sooner.

imagine sitting in class listening to your teacher like you do every day and all of a sudden some guy comes in and starts shooting kids right infront of you..... instinct will tell you to survive( run,hide,). your seeing people get shot and killed right infront of you. last thing you wanna do is run at the guy who has guns and is trying to kill everyone in the room.

someone said well why not do it while he was reloading or throw stuff at him. one of the kids who was in the class said that the shooter knew what he was doing and was very quick in reloading. and im sure if you started throwing shit at him you would be the next target.

until you have been in a situation where you are being shot at(and arent military trained) you wont understand that what these kids did was instinct and correct.

and yes i can speak on this cause i have been shot at

[sandycoosworth]

31 civilain kills?





























they could us this guy in iraq

[sgt. d]

Rumor has it that he was Asian, not White.

Did I say he was white?

[sgt. d]

He was Asian. Now stop trying to trivialize the death of 33 innocent kids you pile of waste.

Did I say what race he was?

[sgt. d]

I mean no disprespect to the victims, and my thoughts are with all affected here, but a point I have made many times before if the criminal in this case was of a ....certain racial persuasion.....we would have racist threads all over the board slamming all people of that race. That is a trend here, and has been for years.  As of yet, I see not one racial thread about it [which is good of course] if it was someone of that racial persuasion to which I refer...we would have nothing less than 25 by now, mark my words.

Again, no disrespect to any of the victims or families here, and to clarify I don't give a crap the race of the shooter [or anyone for that matter] - just pointing out a fact.

I agree although the police did a very poor job.

[sgt. d]

I admit I'm a bit of a paranoid militant type but I think after the first person died and I realized I was seconds from checking out, I would have thrown desks, chairs, bodies, books, pencils, anything.

I do feel horrible for them.  That school should have been shut down at 7:30 AM

I actually agree with 240 on this one.

[Cap]

im seeing people saying "why didnt the kids rush him at some point to stop him"

are you kidding me!! its easy to say this shit after its all done and it wasnt you involved. and yes youre mad and wish something would have been done to stop it sooner.

imagine sitting in class listening to your teacher like you do every day and all of a sudden some guy comes in and starts shooting kids right infront of you..... instinct will tell you to survive( run,hide,). your seeing people get shot and killed right infront of you. last thing you wanna do is run at the guy who has guns and is trying to kill everyone in the room.

someone said well why not do it while he was reloading or throw stuff at him. one of the kids who was in the class said that the shooter knew what he was doing and was very quick in reloading. and im sure if you started throwing shit at him you would be the next target.

until you have been in a situation where you are being shot at(and arent military trained) you wont understand that what these kids did was instinct and correct.

and yes i can speak on this cause i have been shot at

So true.  I'm trained at shooting and fighting but it doesn't take more than a second or two to reload a 9mm beretta and if you have to come from behind cover to get him, you are toast.  You would have to come from behind and knife him and I guarantee all the hard asses on here would have been running outside, not finding a knife to shove through this guy's windpipe.  Just my thoughts

[240 is Back]

NO, NO, NO.

Seriously.

If they had closed campus for the day at 7:15 AM, word would have travelled.

Those kids who DID arrive for 9 AM classes would have found a locked door and returned to their car.

When the A-hole showed up at 9:30 to begin capping people, it would have been slim pickings.  he could have walked to the dorms, and tried getting kids to open their doors (however by then, the announcement system should have been telling them for 2 hours that a double-murder had occurred and they had no idea where the shooter is - so don't answer your door.  Or he could have stood in the parking lot, and taken potshots at cars entering - which would have got him run over, arrested, or fired back at, pretty quickly.

Either way, it is ABSOLUTELY true that a closed engineering building would have resulted in those 60 people not being trapped in classrooms. The numbers should have fallen as a result.

[Tre]

i gotta agree with cap here...with upwards of 14,000 people already on route, cancelling classes and locking the buildings really wouldnt have done much good. these people still would have arrived there and been walking around the campus.
and how safe would it be to lock the buildings when you dont know where the shooter is...he could have been in one of the buildings.
there was no real way to stop the students from showing up


just my thoughts..right or wrong

im sure some sort of plan will be made in the coming weeks to deal with something like this if (god forbid) it should happen again

When there's a suspected chemical spill on a major university campus, they can have all the entrances sealed within 15-20 minutes so that any vehicular traffic is directed away from the campus and no one is allowed on. 

IF this had happened at noon, I agree that nothing could've been done.  But the fact that it started at 7am and no authorities did anything...that only compounds the already tremendous tragedy.  Their rationale is that they believed it was a 'domestic disturbance' and thus was an isolated incident.

What they had was a double homicide and a maniac on the loose with a gun!! 

What part of that does NOT call for immediate and extreme action?

[Cap]

NO, NO, NO.

Seriously.

If they had closed campus for the day at 7:15 AM, word would have travelled.

Those kids who DID arrive for 9 AM classes would have found a locked door and returned to their car.

When the A-hole showed up at 9:30 to begin capping people, it would have been slim pickings.  he could have walked to the dorms, and tried getting kids to open their doors (however by then, the announcement system should have been telling them for 2 hours that a double-murder had occurred and they had no idea where the shooter is - so don't answer your door.  Or he could have stood in the parking lot, and taken potshots at cars entering - which would have got him run over, arrested, or fired back at, pretty quickly.

Either way, it is ABSOLUTELY true that a closed engineering building would have resulted in those 60 people not being trapped in classrooms. The numbers should have fallen as a result.

2 things:

1.) How do you tell 14, 000 students what is going on?  Obviously the EMAIL they sent didn't work.

2.) your point is flawed because it would not have prevented further deaths, maybe a larger number but NOT ALL.  He could have still gotten at least 5-10 more.  Hope that helps. 

[sgt. d]

2 things:

1.) How do you tell 14, 000 students what is going on?  Obviously the EMAIL they sent didn't work.

2.) your point is flawed because it would not have prevented further deaths, maybe a larger number but NOT ALL.  He could have still gotten at least 5-10 more.  Hope that helps. 

Even though I dislike 240, he is right on this one. Sorry cap86 you are wrong.

Hope this helps

[sgt. d]

Frekin Al Sharpton 

Al Sharpton is a great man. 

[Cap]

Even though I dislike 240, he is right on this one. Sorry cap86 you are wrong.

Hope this helps

Hmmmm....ask any college student/professor and they will tell you the same thing.  The school is too big and anyone carrying two pistols could walk around campus and off people.  If you don't understand that then you have a problem.  Couple this with the fact that they thought they had the suspect, they did not need to shut down the entire campus nor did they think they had a reason to.  Let me put this in LE terms for ya'll.  If you have a suspect in custody for questioning or even an idea of who did it, you are not going to shut down buildings a mile away.  Let me make this clear, people would still have been killed.

[240 is Back]

2 things:

1.) How do you tell 14, 000 students what is going on?  Obviously the EMAIL they sent didn't work.

2.) your point is flawed because it would not have prevented further deaths, maybe a larger number but NOT ALL.  He could have still gotten at least 5-10 more.  Hope that helps. 

If a 2-hour warning would have prevented ONE STUDENT from coming to that building, then it would have been a good idea.  That cannot be argued.

And the majority of those kids in the 9 AM class, were at home (presumably with email access or with EARS).  If a 7:45 warning would have told everyone to just sit tight and be careful of a gunman - and those classroom doors had been locked - LESS students would have died.

Obviously you're not going to stop a madman from killing SOME.  But LESSENING the number of lives lost is the goal here. 


And I have been in school many times when school was cancelled - words travels like lightning.

[Cap]

If a 2-hour warning would have prevented ONE STUDENT from coming to that building, then it would have been a good idea.  That cannot be argued.

And the majority of those kids in the 9 AM class, were at home (presumably with email access or with EARS).  If a 7:45 warning would have told everyone to just sit tight and be careful of a gunman - and those classroom doors had been locked - LESS students would have died.

Obviously you're not going to stop a madman from killing SOME.  But LESSENING the number of lives lost is the goal here. 


And I have been in school many times when school was cancelled - words travels like lightning.

I don't think we disagree as we said essentially the same thing but I am looking at it from a glass is half empty approach.  To my knowledge they did send out an email and it didn't do too much.