Harry Reid; We've lost the War

[Mr. Cortisol]

he shouldnt have said it with men in the field.

he should have started legislation to immediately end the war instead.

the democrats should have to make a decision and stop 'playing it safe' by not committing.




everyone knows we're losing over there.  why?  cause when it's a tie (which it is) the win always goes to the home team.  They live there, and can outwait us for 30 years if they have to.  I think anyone who still wants us to be in this war should go fight it themselves and stop talking about the need for something they don't want to bleed for.

[militarymuscle69]

politics aside, to proclaim the war is lost while there are soldiers in the field of battle is unconscionable, irresponsible and anti-American

Just one more crazy ass comment that will lead GOP back into the whitehouse. It was perfect letting the dems win in "06 because they will just end up fucking themsleves in the end

[militarymuscle69]

So the abysmal failure of the president's Iraq policy is the fault of the liberal media that just doesn't report enough of the good things going on in Iraq.  Our own government's NIEs state that the Iraq invasion is destabalizing the middle east and causing terrorism worldwide to grow exponentially. 

Does that sound like we're winning to you?

Do you understand just how ridiculous that sounds?

Do you recommend that the media stop reporting the 100s and 100s of deaths going on over there?

Should the media balance out those negative stories with good hearted stories about locals opening up a new school or Wal-Mart?

Do you honestly believe that death, destruction and carnage are on an equal footing with the opening of fast food shops and schools as a matter of news quality?

"Do you honestly believe that death, destruction and carnage are on an equal footing with the opening of fast food shops and schools as a matter of news quality?"

Progress has to begin somewhere, and you show me ONE free country that didn't suffer loss of life to become free. Sorry to all of your pacifists but lives have to be lost in order to have freedom for future generations

[windsor88]

Progress has to begin somewhere, and you show me ONE free country that didn't suffer loss of life to become free. Sorry to all of your pacifists but lives have to be lost in order to have freedom for future generations

You are right but those who have succeeded in the past actually fought for their freedoms.  These Iraqi fucks don't do shit but stand there like sheep and get blown the fuck up.  These people know who the bad guys are but don't do jack shit. 

[Slapper]

"Do you honestly believe that death, destruction and carnage are on an equal footing with the opening of fast food shops and schools as a matter of news quality?"

Progress has to begin somewhere, and you show me ONE free country that didn't suffer loss of life to become free. Sorry to all of your pacifists but lives have to be lost in order to have freedom for future generations

False.

And, by the way, just because you keep repeating it does not make it a truism.

You'd do humanity a better service indeed if you sit down and repeat to yourself "I have a 12 inch cock" a thousand times. It'll do wonders to your self esteem (I hope).

It's easier to talk to a dick with a big dick than a big dick with a dick. Do you concur?

ĦĦAi caramba!!   

[24KT]

I suppose that's the best I'm going to get.  I think you can debate policy without feeding into the propoganda of the enemy and (further) demoralizing the troops.  But hey that's just me.

i could be wrong Rambo, ...but I get the feeling that nothing demoralizes the troops more than having to wipe their buddies' brains off the side of their face, or to watch the humvee they're riding in get blown up. Talk is cheap, it is actions that count. you can tell a man he's losing and he can laugh in your face and call you a nut. When he sees he's losing however, ...that's a whole nother story.

[militarymuscle69]

i could be wrong Rambo, ...but I get the feeling that nothing demoralizes the troops more than having to wipe their buddies' brains off the side of their face, or to watch the humvee they're riding in get blown up. Talk is cheap, it is actions that count. you can tell a man he's losing and he can laugh in your face and call you a nut. When he sees he's losing however, ...that's a whole nother story.

good thing the majority of us realize we are making progress..we all know we might be making our last rip together everytime we go to Iraq. I have left several friends there and know that it is part of the job

[The Enigma]

This is actually true. The simple fact that we're not allowed to see the caskets of dead soldiers is telling. The carnage perpetrated on our soldiers is hidden from us. We aren't allowed to see how they've suffered.

The general public seeing soldiers with blown off faces and limbs and melted skin isn't good for the business of War.

BTW.....due to extensive IED use, many GI's not only lose limbs, they often lose "their package" in the process of the explosion.

Try returning home to the wife or girlfriend.......with zero "downstairs".

NO ONE WILL DISCUSS THIS HORRIBLE FACT.

[24KT]

I heard the VC used to use these mines that were designed NOT to kill you if you triggered one,
...it would simply rise waist high, then explode. Not enough to kill, just enough to take your genitals off.

Guys would be willing to walk into the fields that killed, but none wanted to even attempt the ones that maimed

[240 is Back]

good thing the majority of us realize we are making progress..we all know we might be making our last rip together everytime we go to Iraq. I have left several friends there and know that it is part of the job

part of me wants to call you a brainwashed fool trying to justify a situation that we clearly DO NOT CONTROL.

Isn't that what winning a war comes down to?  The insurgents control the place.  We have a base, we drive around and do our raids.  But if they want something gone- bridge, church, lunch line, whatever - it is gone.

The other part of me figures hey, who gives a shit, if you're dumb enough to take bullets for that obvious lie, go for it.

[The Enigma]

BTW.....due to extensive IED use, many GI's not only lose limbs, they often lose "their package" in the process of the explosion.

Try returning home to the wife or girlfriend.......with zero "downstairs".

NO ONE WILL DISCUSS THIS HORRIBLE FACT.

Guys like Mr. Limbaughone have no "package" to lose......so why care?

[headhuntersix]

If we showed all that happens on a daily basis we would never go to war.. the West i mean. The shitbags in the 3rd world countries would continue to butcher each other wholesale and then turn their eyes to us. At some point u have to take a stand.....or realize despite the fact Bush fucked up the intel, we still can't just pack it in over in Iraq. Withdraw to the major bases and secure the oil, which apparently is much large then the thought.

[The Enigma]

At some point u have to take a stand.....or realize despite the fact Bush fucked up the intel,

Dying for your country is honorable.

Would you be willing to die for George Bush's intel fuckup?

[240 is Back]

Withdraw to the major bases and secure the oil, which apparently is much large then the thought.

[headhuntersix]

Doc I'll be in forever at this point. Working on year 15 and they just made my current ranks top end 30 years providing I didn't get promoted again..I'm not betting on making GO . I don't look at it as GB's war at this point. Its our war and we have to find a way to win..period.

[The Enigma]

Doc I'll be in forever at this point. Working on year 15 and they just made my current ranks top end 30 years providing I didn't get promoted again..I'm not betting on making GO . I don't look at it as GB's war at this point. Its our war and we have to find a way to win..period.

Your point is well taken.

[Dos Equis]

Reid is a loser and should keep his mouth shut.  Talk about abusing your bully pulpit. 

[headhuntersix]

More to the point..remeber older NCO"s talking about the Army in 83-84..rebuilding and how miserable the late 70's were..I don't want to go through that at all. LOW moral..drugs etc. The Marines used to have huge beer bashes on weekends paid for by unit funds to keep guys from shooting heroin..then everybody became alcoholics but never mind that.....

[The Enigma]

More to the point..remeber older NCO"s talking about the Army in 83-84..rebuilding and how miserable the late 70's were..I don't want to go through that at all. LOW moral..drugs etc. The Marines used to have huge beer bashes on weekends paid for by unit funds to keep guys from shooting heroin..then everybody became alcoholics but never mind that.....

Good idea..........next subject.

[Slapper]

[...]The shitbags in the 3rd world countries would continue to butcher each other wholesale and then turn their eyes to us.[...]

How? The taliban were happy skinning Russian soldiers. Come to think of it, it was the Russians who invaded Afghanistan. No shitbag is stupid enough to turn their eyes onto us. We're the ones looking for trouble. We're still in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Oman, we're trying to get into Iran. When you do that you piss a lot of people off.

In any case, if our main concern are the shitbags, how come we're not looking for them in Shitbagistan? I mean, we're, purposely, deployed our troop to where the oil is. So the war ought to be renamed to the War for Oil, and the goal to get as much of it, for free, as we can. Only then we'd be walkin' the walk and talkin' the talk. I mean, the media outside of the US tells it like it is, and the stories the media feed us here are so moronically imbecile that they shove the War on Terror bullshit story down our throats every day, yet we're fighting in Iraq (where there isn't any Al Qaeda).

How do you eat that up?!

[The Enigma]

How? The taliban were happy skinning Russian soldiers. Come to think of it, it was the Russians who invaded Afghanistan. No shitbag is stupid enough to turn their eyes onto us. We're the ones looking for trouble. We're still in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Oman, we're trying to get into Iran. When you do that you piss a lot of people off.

In any case, if our main concern are the shitbags, how come we're not looking for them in Shitbagistan? I mean, we're, purposely, deployed our troop to where the oil is. So the war ought to be renamed to the War for Oil, and the goal to get as much of it, for free, as we can. Only then we'd be walkin' the walk and talkin' the talk. I mean, the media outside of the US tells it like it is, and the stories the media feed us here are so moronically imbecile that they shove the War on Terror bullshit story down our throats every day, yet we're fighting in Iraq (where there isn't any Al Qaeda).

How do you eat that up?!

Simple explanation.........."The masses are asses" 

[240 is Back]

Reid is a loser and should keep his mouth shut.  Talk about abusing your bully pulpit. 

He holds a higher position in society than you do.

It's like the garbageman calling the brain surgeon a loser.  Mow your own lawn before bitching about my garden.

[Dos Equis]

He holds a higher position in society than you do.

It's like the garbageman calling the brain surgeon a loser.  Mow your own lawn before bitching about my garden.

O.K. Mr. Mom.   

[240 is Back]

O.K. Mr. Mom.  

I make a good living while spending all day with my children.

I don't believe you are actually a parent, to criticize my position.  Either that, or you are one shitty dad/husband.  You just disparaged a position your woman holds.  Nice work.

[The Enigma]

I make a good living while spending all day with my children.

I don't believe you are actually a parent, to criticize my position.  Either that, or you are one shitty dad/husband.  You just disparaged a position your woman holds.  Nice work.

240, don't sweat it. I believe "BeachBum".......... sums up HIS life perfectly.