Is my friend = all drugs?

[Your MAAAAaaaa]

Hey MAtt, you still love each other and spoon at night, so whats the problem let it be for the sake of your relationship!


ta ta

[War-Horse]

Judging by you last pic of the rear double biceps, matt:  Hes got nothing on you at all.       Everybodys frame is different and muscles can insert in a different way so that pecs are different looking as well as all else.

Thats why we hit the gym, to be better than last week...to do what we think we need.     Its an art to some.   Your friend isnt stuck deeply in the sport and its more of a beach body thing.   Pick the traits of your favorite bb's  and change your workout to get there.     For instance i saw a guy with insane outer triceps and i thought it was lacking on my front shots....so my tri w/out are nothing but outer tri exercises........i also need more outer quad......and so it goes.     Its fun stuff

[Matt C]

Debussey thinks that these posters do not understand you.

You, MaxC, claim this: Looks matters, and looks is one of the factors that can help you get what you want in life.

You have not claimed that looks = the only thing, thus, you are not shallow. You simply understand how the world works and make plans to benefit from your insight.

Having goals for your appearance = a good thing, as long as it is a part of a balanced life.


So: When will you get that nosejob MattC??

Exactly.    You summed that up perfectly.

I think I am a good psychological candidate for a nose job and I think that it would improve my looks, but I am not terribly unhappy with my nose as it is now.  The curvature is an Italian thing, but I would prefer a straight nose.  A big nose I don't mind and actually kind of like, but a curved nose I don't care much for.

earlier in the thread you had a different tune. you were saying you wanted to look like so and so, etc. you were saying that everything was about looks. now you're saying it's about personality and looks. you're agreeing with me more and more each post. this is good progress.

nothing wrong with role models, but at the end of the day you have to be you and not be a poor imitation of other people. that would make you less than them.

i say build your body for YOU and only you. if the chicks come, etc, cool, but you must see yourself as unique and worthwhile whether you have muscles or not. be your OWN MAN and you might even find a real relationship instead of just sex and go.

i will now draw an official conclusion to this counselling session. where do i send the bill?

It is about personality, but here is the sad truth: girls and people (in general) have a physical screening before they will even look at your personality.  Like I said with the example of some of my friends in excess of 300 pounds: they will not even pass the initial test and therefore will not even be looked at for their personality.  Also as I said, I had the same personality before that I do now, but I would not pass the initial screening test by girls and they would never get to see my personality.  I have now, through my changed shell, managed to find a way to get their attention so that they see me for me.  I don't regret it, and I will get their attention for years to come.  All the time I spent slaving in the gym has paid off in every way I wanted it to - both for myself and for the positive reaction I get from others.

Just recently I checked the status on a facebook profile of a friend of mine:

"[Matt C's friend] is wondering can anybody find me somebody to love."

I should let you know that my friend is 6'0 and over 300 pounds.  That's the real world for you!

Judging by you last pic of the rear double biceps, matt:  Hes got nothing on you at all.       Everybodys frame is different and muscles can insert in a different way so that pecs are different looking as well as all else.

Thats why we hit the gym, to be better than last week...to do what we think we need.     Its an art to some.   Your friend isnt stuck deeply in the sport and its more of a beach body thing.   Pick the traits of your favorite bb's  and change your workout to get there.     For instance i saw a guy with insane outer triceps and i thought it was lacking on my front shots....so my tri w/out are nothing but outer tri exercises........i also need more outer quad......and so it goes.     Its fun stuff

I agree.  My friend's height is an advantage for him, and overall he has some great genetics for muscle.  He is an interesting fellow and since I've known him I don't ever remember a time where he wasn't fit.

[Debussey]

Exactly.    You summed that up perfectly.

I think I am a good psychological candidate for a nose job and I think that it would improve my looks, but I am not terribly unhappy with my nose as it is now.  The curvature is an Italian thing, but I would prefer a straight nose.  A big nose I don't mind and actually kind of like, but a curved nose I don't care much for.

Improving the nose can drastically improve your appearance.

Just do it for christ sake.

If you've got around 20000 days left on this planet, why walk around with a "sub optimal" appearance? Invest $4000 in a new nose, and you'll enjoy a much improved appearance for the daily cost of 20 cents.

What are you waiting for? 

[Matt C]

Improving the nose can drastically improve your appearance.

Just do it for christ sake.

If you've got around 20000 days left on this planet, why walk around with a "sub optimal" appearance? Invest $4000 in a new nose, and you'll enjoy a much improved appearance for the daily cost of 20 cents.

What are you waiting for? 

Good point.  I have no regrets at all about getting laser eye surgery or getting my teeth fixed.  I will next probably get them whitened.

Plastic surgery is an excellent idea for those who are good psychological candidates like myself.  Some people should not go near it!

I think the cost would be close to $7,000, no?

[Debussey]

Good point.  I have no regrets at all about getting laser eye surgery or getting my teeth fixed.  I will next probably get them whitened.

Plastic surgery is an excellent idea for those who are good psychological candidates like myself.  Some people should not go near it!

I think the cost would be close to $7,000, no?

Agree with you, there is a huge difference between good and bad candidates. Did you know that the suicide average = higher among women with silicone implants?

Do some research, and find a great doc, Debussey does not think the total cost will be as high as $7000. Debussey does know that choosing the right doc = 10000x more important than getting a "good price".


Remember: Humanoid Champions knows that the amount of days we have on this planet = short. NOT doing something you kinda want will ultimately lead to regret, and that will fucking kill ya.

Seriously, if you want it, do it.

[bmacsys]

I would counter that by saying you need to stop acting as if everyone judges others based on attributes other than the salient physical characteristics.

If someone doesn't stick around for who you are why would you want them around?

[Matt C]

Agree with you, there is a huge difference between good and bad candidates. Did you know that the suicide average = higher among women with silicone implants?

Do some research, and find a great doc, Debussey does not think the total cost will be as high as $7000. Debussey does know that choosing the right doc = 10000x more important than getting a "good price".


Remember: Humanoid Champions knows that the amount of days we have on this planet = short. NOT doing something you kinda want will ultimately lead to regret, and that will fucking kill ya.

Seriously, if you want it, do it.

Good point.  I had no regrets with LASIK - if anything, my only regret was not doing it sooner.

If someone doesn't stick around for who you are why would you want them around?

True...but even the good people you speak about who do stick around will reject people based on how they look.

Would you date a 400 pound midget?  I wish I could, but I am limited just as others are, albeit not NEARLY as much as some.

[McFarland]

trust me when you get  there you know it,,,you walk like a million bucks,,,you also know you look the best,,the girls look,,the  guys look,,everyone look,,every nobody asks you  if  you train everyday to achieve this physiqe etc etc,,this is also when you get the courage to go on stage!

 

[bmacsys]

That was before the 1978 Universe Platz arms were doctored up here. His biceps look funny and this was before he got his upper body up in the early 1981.

[natural al]

He claims to be natural.  He is Shawn's height and about 165-170 in contest condition.  He is 200 offseason.

He is a compact muscle machine.  I only think the first and last pictures really do him justice although the back shot (at around 165) goes to show the kind of condition he holds year round.

Discuss.

I dont' think he's "all drugs" he's about my height and probably weighs about what I would if I got into contest condition. 

[donthate1]

I hope this guy is not on juice......If he is, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing.  In other words "what a waste".  I'm going with all natty.

[Matt C]

I hope this guy is not on juice......If he is, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing.  In other words "what a waste".  I'm going with all natty.

Interesting.

Where I'm from, he is one of the most developed guys around. 

How frequently do you see guys of his development and how big of a city do you live in?

[donthate1]

Interesting.

Where I'm from, he is one of the most developed guys around. 

How frequently do you see guys of his development and how big of a city do you live in?

Guys of his development?  Every time I step foot in the gym.  That guys build is ok but he's not developed enough to be on serious juice.  Like I said before if he is on juice then he needs to pull his head out of his ass b/cause it ain't workin.  Someone could easily achieve his development naturally. 

[Matt C]

Guys of his development?  Every time I step foot in the gym.  That guys build is ok but he's not developed enough to be on serious juice.  Like I said before if he is on juice then he needs to pull his head out of his ass b/cause it ain't workin.  Someone could easily achieve his development naturally. 

I can't say the same in the gyms I've been too.  He is around 5'6 and 1/2 and up to 165 or so in what is close to contest condition and to me that is pretty damn good size.  I don't see guys his size often, but maybe that's just what it's like where I'm from.

[suckmymuscle]

hey hey hey dont involve me in this crap,,I ALWAYS SAY YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN DRUGS TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP OF THE INDUSTRY AND THE TOP OF THE INDUSTRY IS PRO CARD HOLDERS AND TOP AMATUERS WHO PLACE 2-5 IN NATIONALS USA ETC

ofcourse you need more than drugs duhhhhh,,you need symetry you need disapline you need time and lots of it,,you need good base that was achieved with out drugs,,you need genetics and then you also need lots of drugs as in consistency of being hormonized so you can build on it

the best bodybuilders are NOT THE ONES WITH THE BIGGEST ARMS! THE BEST BODYBUILDERS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE EVERYTHING SYMETRIC AND IN PROPORTION,,THE ONES WHO CAN PRESENT A COMPLETE PACKAGE OF DEVELOPED MUSCLES WHILE AT LOW BODYFAT%%%%%%%%%% ,,,THOSE GUYS CAN BE FOUND AT 190 LB 200LB 220LB ETC WAY BEFORE THEY TURN INTO WALKING 280LB BEASTS,,

IT IS VERY VERY EASY TO WALK AROUND AT 250LB OF CRAP WHILE HORMONIZED,,,IT IS VERY VERY HARD TO WALK AROUND WITH 200LB OF QUALITY,, THE MOMENT YOU GET TO THOSE 200LB OF QUALITY IS THE MOMENT YOU BECOME A BODYBUILDER!

30-32 INCH WAIST WITH 6 PACK DIALED IN WITH 17 INCH ARMS ON A 5'10 GUY THAT WEIGHT 200LB WITH SYMETRIC PHYSIQE WILL LOOK 1000 TIMES BETTER AND MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN HIS 5'10 GYM BUD THAT WALKS AROUND WITH 36-38 INCH WAIST WITH 19-20 INCH ARMS AND NO PECS TO TALK ABOUT OR NO LATS OR NO WHEELS,,,

one thing you do need to remember though my friends,,,WE ALL TAKE DRUGS CONSISTENTLY AND NEVER EVER NEVER OFF COMPLETELY OF EVERYTHING,,LIAR IS THE ONE WHO TELLS YOU ANY DIFF,,

A VERY GOOD FITNESS MODEL FRIEND OF MINE,,,VERY VERY FEMILIAR AND PRETTY SMALL INREGARDS TO BODYBUILDING SIZE AS OF 2007,, IS GOING NOW FRATILITY THERAPY BECAUSE HE AND HIS SOON TO BE WIFE WANT A BABY....THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING

WE ALL TAKE DRUGS C O N S I S T E N T L Y  FROM THE FITNESS MODEL TO THE BODYBUILDER.

  No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.

  To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Theoak*]

  No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.

  To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Oh really? Explain Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier?

[Matt C]

  No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.

  To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Some guys on this board may be bigger and stronger than guys who turn pro, but that is not to say just because they make better naturals that they would respond to gear in the same way.

Genetic response to drugs throws in an extraneous variable.

[gh15]

  No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.

  To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm
i almost can see the light now,,i get lectured of how it works ummmmmm all the top pros have wonderful genetics ,,,ummm they all take drugs? really now ummmmmmmmm

I SAID THAT ITS ENOUGH TO GO TO THE GYM AND DO SOME TRAINING TO LOOK PHENOMINALFOR A GUY ON HORMONES WITH  DECENT BUILD,,,YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT TO WIN NATIONALS OR A PRO SHOW

again the most important thing is HOW YOUR BODY RESPONDS TO HORMONES! AND WHAT AND WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE HORMONES,,

A NATIONAL GUY FED WITH JINTROPIN WILL MOST LIKLEY PLACE BEHIND A NATIONAL GUY THAT FED WITH ELY LILLY HUMATROPE OR SEIZAN,,IF THEY BOTH TOP 10 MATERIAL AND SAME HEIGHT/SIZE,,THATS THAT

i start liking you though,,you entertain me,,,tellin me what i need to do to be whati am already,,i like you

[Matt C]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i almost can see the light now,,i get lectured of how it works ummmmmm all the top pros have wonderful genetics ,,,ummm they all take drugs? really now ummmmmmmmm

I SAID THAT ITS ENOUGH TO GO TO THE GYM AND DO SOME TRAINING TO LOOK PHENOMINALFOR A GUY ON HORMONES WITH  DECENT BUILD,,,YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT TO WIN NATIONALS OR A PRO SHOW

again the most important thing is HOW YOUR BODY RESPONDS TO HORMONES! AND WHAT AND WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE HORMONES,,

A NATIONAL GUY FED WITH JINTROPIN WILL MOST LIKLEY PLACE BEHIND A NATIONAL GUY THAT FED WITH ELY LILLY HUMATROPE OR SEIZAN,,IF THEY BOTH TOP 10 MATERIAL AND SAME HEIGHT/SIZE,,THATS THAT

i start liking you though,,you entertain me,,,tellin me what i need to do to be whati am already,,i like you

suckmymuscle is pretty smart, but it would be silly for him or anyone on here to start debating drugs with you.

Now if you were talking about economics or psychology or math or web design, I would gladly jump in, but I'm not one to debate experts in their area of expertise. 

[Matt C]

Don't sell the world so short yet, Matt.  There are some true gems out there.

Initial eye contact and voice inflection will set the tone with another person in a one-on-one situation.  Learn to master eye contact, and you'll be amazed with the results.

As far as staying muscular: Do it for the countless physical advantages and practicalities, but don't wear it as a badge.  It makes for a terrible, almost embarrassing vibe.

Great discussion you've brought up, BTW.

True!  Good points, and thanks, it is a good topic which I enjoy hearing a wide variety of thoughts on.

[suckmymuscle]

Oh really? Explain Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier?

  Kevin Levrone was highly successful and finished second at the Mr.Olympia twice. He was stopped from Olympia glory because a guy with genetics as good and who trained even harder stopped him.

  As for Wheeler and Cormier, what are you talking about? Wheeler had infinitely superior genetics than Dorian Yates, and yet never won the Olympiua because he was lazy and not consistent with his training. Cormier cheated on his pre-contest diet constantly and screwed whores all the time, andf thus never fullfilled his potential.

  Both guys with superb genetics and drenched in drugs, and both failed to achieve their potentia because they didn't train hard and consistently and were undisciplined with their diets and lkefestyles[/b]. Thanks for validating my points!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Some guys on this board may be bigger and stronger than guys who turn pro, but that is not to say just because they make better naturals that they would respond to gear in the same way.

Genetic response to drugs throws in an extraneous variable.

  So the reason Wheeler never won the Olympia over Dorian is because he had a poorer response to drugs? This despite the fact that he had a better structure, longer muscle bellies and tinier joints? Or maybe it's due to the fact that he never took sets to failure, trained mostly with isolation movements and cheated regularly on his pre-contest diet?

  Is this also the reason why Coleman gained 40 lbs of muscle in the off-season of 2003? I mean, he was already taking massive doses of drugs before that, so are you saying that he also had a gene transfusion which suddenly made him respod more dramatically to drugs? Or is the explanation that he was defeated by Gunther at the 202 GNC Show Of Strengh, which made him shit scared and made him train extra hard and dedicate himself to bodybuilding completely? The ferocity of his training sessions in the off-season of that year are well-documented on tape, so there's no need for me to clarify it.

  All the guys who make it to the top pros,l by definition, have an incredible response to drugs. They all have long muscle bellies, a large proportion of fast-twitch type II muscle fibers, etc, otherweise they wouldn't have turned pro. We are not talking about amateurs vs pros here, but top pros vs top pros. My observation is that all guys who are top pros are on the same drugs and they all have great genetics, but that the guys who win top shows like the ASC and Olympia are usually the ones who are the most disciplined with their diets and train the hardest and most consistently. In fact, a guy like Dorian won the Olympia competing against guys who had better genetics then they did, like Wheeler and Levrone, which clearly goes to show that the training and diet is what separated top pros from one another.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 I'm sorry, sport, but all the guys who make it to the pros have very good response to drugs. They also all

[suckmymuscle]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i almost can see the light now,,i get lectured of how it works ummmmmm all the top pros have wonderful genetics ,,,ummm they all take drugs? really now ummmmmmmmm

I SAID THAT ITS ENOUGH TO GO TO THE GYM AND DO SOME TRAINING TO LOOK PHENOMINALFOR A GUY ON HORMONES WITH  DECENT BUILD,,,YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT TO WIN NATIONALS OR A PRO SHOW

again the most important thing is HOW YOUR BODY RESPONDS TO HORMONES! AND WHAT AND WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE HORMONES,,

A NATIONAL GUY FED WITH JINTROPIN WILL MOST LIKLEY PLACE BEHIND A NATIONAL GUY THAT FED WITH ELY LILLY HUMATROPE OR SEIZAN,,IF THEY BOTH TOP 10 MATERIAL AND SAME HEIGHT/SIZE,,THATS THAT

i start liking you though,,you entertain me,,,tellin me what i need to do to be whati am already,,i like you

  First of all, you have yet to prove that you are a pro. Where are your blue stars, sport? I'm still waiting for that! And don't bring the anonimity excuse, because you can post anonymously and have blue stars.

  Secondly, what you said is incorrect. You did say that what matters is the response to drugs and structure, and that the guys who make it to top pro owe it all to drugs and to their response to drugs. This is only partially true, anyway, but my problem with you is that you make the case that the guy who wins the Mr.Olympia or the Arnold is simply tyhe one with the best natural structure and response to drugs and that training and discipline is irrelevant, and I say that is crap!!!!!!!!

  Neither Lee Haney, Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman had the best genetics of their generations, and they defeated their competitors who had better genetics because they were more dedicated, disciplined and trained smarter and harder than their competitors.

  I find it hard to believe that Wheeler with his vastly superior structure and longer muscle bellies got defeated by Dorian because the latter had a better response to drugs. We don't know if he had, but all top pros have a great response to drugs, and even if he did, the other several advantages that Wheeler had in structure and muscle belly lengh should compensate for that. It is more reasonable to assume that Wheeler got defeated by Yates despite his superior genetics because he ate pizza on his pre-contest diet, missed workouts, seldiom did compound exercises, etc.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

suckmymuscle is pretty smart, but it would be silly for him or anyone on here to start debating drugs with you.

Now if you were talking about economics or psychology or math or web design, I would gladly jump in, but I'm not one to debate experts in their area of expertise. 

  Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uure, because a drug dealer knows so much about androgens and other anabolics, right? GH15 Has yet to prove that he's a pro and I don't care about what he has to say on drugs except if he has a degree on endocrinology, preferably a PhD.

  And who said that you're an expert on economics or math? I'm pretty sure that you won't be winning the Field's Medal or a Nobel Prize in economics anytime soon. The reason why you won't debate GH15, the drug dealer, is because you like what he tells you. You want to believe what he has to say; you want to believe that it's all about drugs. You are a frustrated guy with you own body, and you want to belive that all the guys who are bigger than you are only bigger because they are on drugs.

SUCKMYMUSCLE