Author Topic: CHUCK Vs. RAMPAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Read 9073 times)

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #25 on:** May 03, 2007, 11:58:08 AM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on May 02, 2007, 09:49:36 PM

Hey what happened to Bezerkfairy? He was the loudest of the Chuck Liddell fanboys.

He ran away and hasn't been seen in a while... But look at how Page fought against Beastman I thought that was a horrible Quinton display.. Plus in the ring Chuck couldnt walk the cage to prevent the takedown, nor grab ahold of it... I think that Chuck will win.. Quinton didn't look very impresive in his first showing... I thought he would've at least destroyed Marvin... But it wasn't a walk thru the way I expected it to be.. Chuck would knock out Easstman 2 minutes into the first..

smoothasf · « **Reply #26 on:** May 03, 2007, 02:33:40 PM »

exactly and the sob story after will not be "hey chuck must have improved" it will be "rampage wasnt himself" or some crap like that. Chuck has improved in accuracy, timing and outstanding angles for strikes.
When chuck is beaten it'll be by someone who overpowers him takes him to the floor and keeps him there.
Make an opponent fight in his weakest area rather than his strongest and you'll soon see the difference.
I see rampage losing.
Chuck wants to step up weight.
Chuck - Nog = chuck by knock out (even though nogs one of my favs)
Fedor coming over - crop - fedor rematch
Then Fedor Vs Randy
Fedor Vs Chuck
Fedor unanimous - retires a ledgend

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #27 on:** May 03, 2007, 03:59:24 PM »

Chuck has gotten much better at cutting angles, the one thing that I still see as his weakness, is his precission striking. He throws way to many looping punches that could be countered with a straight over hand or even a clinch quickly and then just knees. I also agree that if someone puts chuck on the ground and over powers him then he will be in aton of trouble... I just don't see chuck loosing a fight anytime soon, if it is on their feet. The man has some crazy ass luck of landing those ugly ass punches... Plus this is his house that Page is coming into, just like chuck visted the house of Page in their last fight. I still say Chack by KO overhand right within the first 2 minutes of the 1st round.. Page will come out hunting and we all know that is a No-No when it comes to chuck... It will be the Babalu fight all over again but with a black guy this time... Just my opinion...

americanbulldog · « **Reply #28 on:** May 03, 2007, 06:08:59 PM »

Quote from: SinCitysmallGUY on May 03, 2007, 03:59:24 PM

Chuck has gotten much better at cutting angles, the one thing that I still see as his weakness, is his precission striking. He throws way to many looping punches that could be countered with a straight over hand or even a clinch quickly and then just knees. I also agree that if someone puts chuck on the ground and over powers him then he will be in aton of trouble... I just don't see chuck loosing a fight anytime soon, if it is on their feet. The man has some crazy ass luck of landing those ugly ass punches... Plus this is his house that Page is coming into, just like chuck visted the house of Page in their last fight. I still say Chack by KO overhand right within the first 2 minutes of the 1st round.. Page will come out hunting and we all know that is a No-No when it comes to chuck... It will be the Babalu fight all over again but with a black guy this time... Just my opinion...

I agree with the footwork angle, but he has never been pushed by someone since his loss to Randy and Page. Page will stand in fron of him (like he did in the first fight) wear him down, take him down late and get a TKO. Page didn't immediately shoot, he waited until they clinched (which Chuck was initiating) and took him down and started wearing Chuck down. Chuck hasn't been taken deep into the a fight, and unless Chuck has become a muay thai based striker (Page's kryptonite), I don't think he will catch Page. Page has a better shelling structure than Tito, and parries, and moves well for a big guy. Page also has the strength and explosiveness on Chuck. Chuck has more power in his hands, and the worlds best cage sprawl, fence grab, cage walk.

vikingpower · « **Reply #29 on:** May 03, 2007, 06:12:17 PM »

never say never in MMA but if i was a betting man i would bet the farm on chuck

rampage's best weapon was his power, and that appears to have peaked a couple years ago ... chuck should get an early KO

americanbulldog · « **Reply #30 on:** May 04, 2007, 02:46:27 PM »

Quote from: vikingpower on May 03, 2007, 06:12:17 PM

never say never in MMA but if i was a betting man i would bet the farm on chuck

rampage's best weapon was his power, and that appears to have peaked a couple years ago ... chuck should get an early KO

Page has power, but the power weren't in his hands. He doesn't have a lot of one or two punch KOs. He gets a lot of TKOs from wearing down people, not KOing them.

vikingpower · « **Reply #31 on:** May 05, 2007, 01:08:33 AM »

i wouldnt argue that: power isnt necessarily punching people, its also slamming them, exploding out of their submissions etc ... but as i said (like tyson and vitor) his early dominance came from his power and i believe he was more powerful 3 years ago than he is today ... explosive power tends to peak at 23 or thereabouts and i dont think he has improved his skill set enough to take chuck again ... meanwhile i think chuck has tightened his striking significantly and that will give him the W

onlyme · « **Reply #32 on:** May 05, 2007, 01:25:35 AM »

That Rampage guy is going to kill Liddell. You can take that to the bank

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #33 on:** May 05, 2007, 02:15:50 AM »

IMO, what Chuck has improved on since the 1st fight w/ Rampage is getting back up to his feet after getting taken down. In the first fight, Page got to half-guard and pounded away. Don't think he'll be able to do that this time.

Chuck wins by KO.

vikingpower · « **Reply #34 on:** May 05, 2007, 06:38:47 AM »

chucks big improvements came mostly from his striking... he no loner relies mainly on that big looping right to KO people and has taken out several with a very tight straigth right instead

not sure his ability to get back up has improved much, its always been amazing but that fight took place in a ring as opposed to a cage

as ambull said before, chuck has a gas tank issue... and in the first round he and quentin threw an incredible amount of bombs, he was gassed by the second while the younger quentin was not (at least not to the same degree)

Faust · « **Reply #35 on:** May 05, 2007, 11:43:28 AM »

Chuck by total blindness!

bigjohN79 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 06, 2007, 07:13:20 PM »

Rampage will win this fight if he does the same as last time, put the pressure and not allow chuck to "pick" him apart. If he fights like the beast that he is, chuck will lose the same way he did last time =)

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #37 on:** May 06, 2007, 08:08:34 PM »

Quote from: bigjohN79 on May 06, 2007, 07:13:20 PM

Rampage will win this fight if he does the same as last time, put the pressure and not allow chuck to "pick" him apart. If he fights like the beast that he is, chuck will lose the same way he did last time =)

Exactly.

All these cans that Dana puts Chuck against are afraid of him. They are too cautious...give him too much respect. Chuck is able to feel them out and set up the KO with those downright ODD punches. Rampage is too aggressive and definately not afraid. He will rush in and attack with heavy hits and Chuck's "gameplan" will go out the window. He's not used to fighting a puncher that really presses him. If you watch the last fight between these too, you can hear Chuck whincing in pain. The look on his face is classic!

This is assuming both fighters show up in good form of course.

americanbulldog · « **Reply #38 on:** May 07, 2007, 01:54:00 PM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on May 06, 2007, 08:08:34 PM

Exactly.

All these cans that Dana puts Chuck against are afraid of him. They are too cautious...give him too much respect. Chuck is able to feel them out and set up the KO with those downright ODD punches. Rampage is too aggressive and definately not afraid. He will rush in and attack with heavy hits and Chuck's "gameplan" will go out the window. He's not used to fighting a puncher that really presses him. If you watch the last fight between these too, you can hear Chuck whincing in pain. The look on his face is classic!

This is assuming both fighters show up in good form of course.

Or they rush headlong, hands flailing, or down into punching range when Chuck retreats and circles to the left or right he throws a nice hook/straight right/left combo that normally spells the beginning of the end.

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #39 on:** May 08, 2007, 02:08:50 AM »

Anything is possible.

bigjohN79 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 09, 2007, 12:05:25 AM »

You mean like he did in their last fight? Oh wait, im sorry chuck is a "different" fighter now.. hehe

Quote from: americanbulldog on May 07, 2007, 01:54:00 PM

Or they rush headlong, hands flailing, or down into punching range when Chuck retreats and circles to the left or right he throws a nice hook/straight right/left combo that normally spells the beginning of the end.

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #41 on:** May 09, 2007, 03:58:52 AM »

Americanbulldog, you said you believe Ramp will win, now you are flip flopping. Stop riding the fence and make a prediction.

vikingpower · « **Reply #42 on:** May 09, 2007, 05:36:06 AM »

Quote from: bigjohN79 on May 09, 2007, 12:05:25 AM

You mean like he did in their last fight? Oh wait, im sorry chuck is a "different" fighter now.. hehe

chuck is different, as i mentioned before he tightened his striking

imo shogun has a better shot with liddell than rampage

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #43 on:** May 09, 2007, 02:07:39 PM »

Archer77 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 09, 2007, 09:37:39 PM »

Quote from: vikingpower on May 09, 2007, 05:36:06 AM

chuck is different, as i mentioned before he tightened his striking

imo shogun has a better shot with liddell than rampage

Chuck is different. He has developed an excellent use of angles that he didnt have in the previous fight. He walks the ring and draws an opponent in so he can counter punch. And his sprawling is vastly improvied The first fight was much more straight forward with chuck directly challening Rampage. I do wonder if QJ has had enough experience reaclimating himself to the octagon. That being said I wouldnt mind Qj pullng out a victory.

americanbulldog · « **Reply #45 on:** May 10, 2007, 01:21:36 AM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on May 09, 2007, 03:58:52 AM

Americanbulldog, you said you believe Ramp will win, now you are flip flopping. Stop riding the fence and make a prediction.

Where have I flipped flopped? Page by fourth round TKO.

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #46 on:** May 10, 2007, 12:05:44 PM »

Quote from: americanbulldog on May 10, 2007, 01:21:36 AM

Where have I flipped flopped? Page by fourth round TKO.

We finally have a disagreement. Liddell by KO in the second...

bRIZZAd · « **Reply #47 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:21:50 PM »

Rampage's words about this fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssEwKbWCyEI

Dude is a joker for sure.

I'm seeing this match live in person in Vegas next weekend! CAN'T WAIT!!!!

vikingpower · « **Reply #48 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:28:12 PM »

except for the humpty dumpty reference that sucked ballz... ever since he found jesus he hasnt been nearly as funny or as dominant

americanbulldog · « **Reply #49 on:** May 16, 2007, 04:00:42 AM »

Quote from: vikingpower on May 15, 2007, 09:28:12 PM

except for the humpty dumpty reference that sucked ballz... ever since he found jesus he hasnt been nearly as funny or as dominant

As long as he isn't fighting a Rudimar Fedrigo fighter, I like Page's chances.