What are some sins outside the 10 commandments.

[OzmO]

   
tu_holmes, Colossus_500, STella and I responded.  I guess we are nobody to you and our responses don't count. 
   

And what other sins did we come up with?  I'm not saying those contributions didn't count all i'm saying is that i believe we could have come up with more.  And you know what i mean and you know I'm right in knowing there are more you can come up with.  But for what ever reason you refuse to do so which as said earlier is telling.

     
You assume that the typical Sunday sermon at Christian churches is about fire and brimstone.  I'm sorry if that is the only sermon you were ever exposed to.  I go to church three times a week, every week.  I have been a member of several Christian churches in more than one country.  The typical sermon at all these Christian churches is not about fire and brimstone, but about salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and about God's love for us, about forgiveness and about loving and helping others.  Actually, I don't remember ever hearing a sermon strictly on fire and brimstone. 
 

Did i ever say strictly?  Did i say every?  (not meant to be sarcastic, not arrogant,  I'm just trying to be exact here so that meanings don't get misinterpreted) I said the typical fire and brimstone Sunday sermon.  Do those type of sermons not exist?  Are there not sins preachers talk about?   These are the sins I'm looking for.

   
But God did forbid it.  The Bible did forbid the slavery of the western world in the 1800s.  In the 1800s western world slavery, Africans were kidnapped and taken away from their families and from their homes, then sold as slaves in Asia, then shipped to Europe and to America.  This is clearly a sin. 
 
Exodus 21:16
"Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.
 
Deuteronomy 24:7
If a man is caught kidnapping one of his brother Israelites and treats him as a slave or sells him, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you.
 
In the 1800s western world slavery, slave masters were entitled to kill their slaves if they so chose to.  Many slaves were shot or bitten to death by their masters.  They owned the slave's life and the law of the land did not punish them for killing their slaves.  But in the Bible, this is forbidden. 
 
Exodus 21:20
"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished"
 
So it is not that God didn't forbid it.  It is more that many people refused to obey the Bible. 
 
Those who supported slavery in the western world in the 1800s did not use the Bible as an excuse.  They did not use the Bible to support slavery.  They used the economy and politics to support their arguments.  Some of them didn't even believe in the Bible.
 
But those who did believe in the Bible and obeyed it did not own slaves, they opposed slavery, they fought slavery and contributed to the abolishion of slavery in the western world:

America:
John Brown
Frederick Douglass
Abraham Lincoln
 
Britain:
William Wilberforce
Granville Sharp
Thomas Clarkson   
 

So slavery is OK in God's eyes if the person owes you money or something outside kidnapping them??  It's ok to buy and sell their children as property?

It's funny,  in your defense of this you can't even agree that one direct denunciation of slavery or in combination an absence of instructing people on how to buy sell and treat slaves would have helped stem off slavery that has plagued people for the 1500 years since the Bible was assembled?

These people in the south in the 1800's were but the tip of the iceberg in the 1500 years prior to that where people were enslaved.

And it still remains, that he even in his indirect approach to forbidding slavery, he did also directly give instructions on how to buy, sell and treat them.

Replace the word slavery with stealing, raping or murdering and see how it sounds in all those passages.  The contradiction will be more clear.

[loco]

And what other sins did we come up with?  I'm not saying those contributions didn't count all i'm saying is that i believe we could have come up with more.  And you know what i mean and you know I'm right in knowing there are more you can come up with.  But for what ever reason you refuse to do so which as said earlier is telling.

You asked, we responded.  Now what?  Make your point or let it go already. 

Did i ever say strictly?  Did i say every?  (not meant to be sarcastic, not arrogant,  I'm just trying to be exact here so that meanings don't get misinterpreted) I said the typical fire and brimstone Sunday sermon.  Do those type of sermons not exist?  Are there not sins preachers talk about?   These are the sins I'm looking for.

Yes, some preachers do preach on fire and brimstone, I guess.  But you said the "typical" Sunday sermon. 

So slavery is OK in God's eyes if the person owes you money or something outside kidnapping them??  It's ok to buy and sell their children as property?

It's funny,  in your defense of this you can't even agree that one direct denunciation of slavery or in combination an absence of instructing people on how to buy sell and treat slaves would have helped stem off slavery that has plagued people for the 1500 years since the Bible was assembled?

These people in the south in the 1800's were but the tip of the iceberg in the 1500 years prior to that where people were enslaved.

And it still remains, that he even in his indirect approach to forbidding slavery, he did also directly give instructions on how to buy, sell and treat them.

Replace the word slavery with stealing, raping or murdering and see how it sounds in all those passages.  The contradiction will be more clear.

What?  You specifically said "the western world in the 1800", so I gave you a response about slavery in the western world in the 1800. 

[OzmO]

Here's what i said:

Think of how much less slavery there would have been in the western world in the 1800 years since Christ if God had forbid it in the Bible  or the people who decided to but the Bible together in Nicea, where correctly inspired with some forethought from God and left it out altogether.   Why do you supposed that is?  Perhaps because it was the culture of the times and of the people who put it together?

So, no problem, it was a mistake.

You asked, we responded.  Now what?  Make your point or let it go already. 
 

I just did make a point of your unwillingness to answer the question.  You are not obligated to answer.  But you not answering says something.

but i'll ask again anyway.

Are these all the sins outside of the 10 commandments and the golden rule?  If not what are they?

Yes, some preachers do preach on fire and brimstone, I guess.  But you said the "typical" Sunday sermon. 
 

I see how you can get the meaning you did from what i wrote.  But I'm sure you also understand what i was really getting at.

[Hustle Man]

Question, is going over the speed limit a sin according to the Bible?

[loco]

Question, is going over the speed limit a sin according to the Bible?

Yes

[loco]

You are about to start eating a hot dog.  Homeless guy next to you is really starving and begging you for half your hot dog.  You don't give him anything but eat your hot dog in front of him and make sure he sees that you really are enjoying it.  That's a sin.

I can come up with 1 billion sins.  That's why we are all in need of a saviour.  That is why we all need Jesus.     

[OzmO]

Yes,  but enslaving someone and their children because they owe you money is not.   

[loco]

Yes,  but enslaving someone and their children because they owe you money is not.   

That would be breaking the law of the land.  So yes, it is a sin.     

[OzmO]

That would be breaking the law of the land.  So yes, it is a sin.     

So then if you are on a island, in the middle of the ocean that is not claimed by any nation, then it's ok.   

[loco]

So then if you are on a island, in the middle of the ocean that is not claimed by any nation, then it's ok.   

What's the law of the land there?  If the law of the land there says that if I file for bankruptcy my family and I must work for my lender without pay for 7 years, I guess we'll have to do it.   

[OzmO]

What's the law of the land there?  If the law of the land there says that if I file for bankruptcy my family and I must work for my lender without pay for 7 years, I guess we'll have to do it.     

Working to pay back a debt and Slavery  for you and your family are 2 very different things.

We are assuming the is no laws.  no government.  Or better yet,  how about if Slavery is legal?

[loco]

Working to pay back a debt and Slavery  for you and your family are 2 very different things.

We are assuming the is no laws.  no government.  Or better yet,  how about if Slavery is legal?

Working without pay is not slavery?

OzmO, have you committed no sin, ever?

[OzmO]

Working without pay is not slavery?

nope.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
slav·er·y      /ˈsleɪvəri, ˈsleɪvri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sley-vuh-ree, sleyv-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   the condition of a slave; bondage.
2.   the keeping of slaves as a practice or institution.
3.   a state of subjection like that of a slave: He was kept in slavery by drugs.
4.   severe toil; drudgery.


Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
slave      /sleɪv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sleyv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, slaved, slav·ing.
–noun
1.   a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2.   a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3.   a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
4.   a slave ant.
5.   Photography. a subsidiary flash lamp actuated through its photoelectric cell when the principal flash lamp is discharged.
6.   Machinery. a mechanism under control of and repeating the actions of a similar mechanism. Compare master (def. 19).
–verb (used without object)
7.   to work like a slave; drudge.
8.   to engage in the slave trade; procure, transport, or sell slaves.
–verb (used with object)
9.   to connect (a machine) to a master as its slave.
10.   Archaic. to enslave.

OzmO, have you committed no sin, ever?

You know the answer to that.   

[OzmO]

BTW,  i've worked plenty without being paid in my life for many different reasons.  Charity, sales, or just to help.  I believe the more you give the more you receive......

[loco]

BTW,  i've worked plenty without being paid in my life for many different reasons.  Charity, sales, or just to help.  I believe the more you give the more you receive......

Oh, I wasn't talking about that kind of work without pay.  That's volunteer work.  We all have done that, haven't we?  That's why it's called "volunteer" work.  Working for seven years without pay in order to pay your debt, not something you volunteer to do, but something that people were required to do by law, isn't that slavery?

OzmO, have you committed no sin, ever?  I don't know if you believe that you have, until you answer the question.  I believe we all have sinned because the Bible says so and I believe the Bible is the word of God, but you don't.  So I don't know the answer to that question.

[OzmO]

Oh, I wasn't talking about that kind of work without pay.  That's volunteer work.  We all have done that, haven't we?  That's why it's called "volunteer" work.  Working for seven years without pay in order to pay your debt, not something you volunteer to do, but something that people were required to do by law, isn't that slavery?

Does it fit the definition of slavery?  I don't know.  Are you talking about then or now?

[OzmO]

OzmO, have you committed no sin, ever?  I don't know if you believe that you have, until you answer the question.  I believe we all have sinned because the Bible says so and I believe the Bible is the word of God, but you don't.  So I don't know the answer to that question.

I have sinned.

[loco]

Does it fit the definition of slavery?  I don't know.  Are you talking about then or now?

I am talking about the Island.  And if the loan my kids and I are working seven years to pay is sold by my lender to another lender, say Bank of America to Wells Fargo, would that not be equivalent to my kids and I being sold as slaves?  That is slavery, and it is against the law today.  Therefore, it is a sin.

[OzmO]

I am talking about the Island.  And if the loan my kids and I are working seven years to pay is sold by my lender to another lender, say Bank of America to Wells Fargo, would that not be equivalent to my kids and I being sold as slaves?  That is slavery, and it is against the law today.  Therefore, it is a sin.

That works only because it's indirect.   What if worship was against the law?  What if killing was legal? 

Also what you outline there isn't the equal to the definition.

[loco]

I have sinned.

Thanks for your honest answer!

Then, since you have sinned, as a Christian, I believe that you are in need of a saviour.  I believe that you need Jesus Christ, no matter how many sins Christians post on this thread.

I'm not trying to ask personal questions or asking you to be specific, but for the sake of this thread its question to the board, was your sin/sins outside the 10 commandments?

[OzmO]

Thanks for your honest answer!

Then, since you have sinned, as a Christian, I believe that you are in need of a saviour.  I believe that you need Jesus Christ, no matter how many sins Christians post on this thread.

I'm not trying to ask personal questions or asking you to be specific, but for the sake of this thread its question to the board, was your sin/sins outside the 10 commandments?

In my lifetime, some inside, and depending on what you call sins outside the 10 commandments i sure i have there too. 

[loco]

and depending on what you call sins outside the 10 commandments 

What do you call sins outside the 10 commandments, OzmO?

[OzmO]

What do you call sins outside the 10 commandments, OzmO?

Well that's one of the things i was getting at with this thread   

But i would say anything through your actions that directly causes, suffering harm or victimizes someone.

[loco]

That works only because it's indirect.   What if worship was against the law?  What if killing was legal?

 

If the law of the land does not oppose the law of God, then according to the Bible, breaking the law of the land is a sin.

If the law of the land opposes the law of God, then according to the Bible obeying the law of the land is a sin.

Worship is against the law in China, and many Christians there have been arrested, tortured and killed for breaking that law.  They did not sin for breaking that law, because it opposes God's law.  Many Christians have been arrested, tortured and killed in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and China because they worshiped the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ.

If the law of the land commanded me to murder all homosexuals, not only would I not obey that law, but I would join homosexuals and fight for their right to live.  German Christians during WWII were arrested, tortured and killed for breaking the law of the land that commanded them to kill Jews.  Not only did they not kill Jews, but these Christians gave their life to save Jews.

Also what you outline there isn't the equal to the definition.

OzmO, look up the definition of "debt slavery", or google it. 

[OzmO]

 

If the law of the land does not oppose the law of God, then according to the Bible, breaking the law of the land is a sin.

If the law of the land opposes the law of God, then according to the Bible obeying the law of the land is a sin.

Worship is against the law in China, and many Christians there have been arrested, tortured and killed for breaking that law.  They did not sin for breaking that law, because it opposes God's law.  Many Christians have been arrested, tortured and killed in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and China because they worshiped the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ.

If the law of the land commanded me to murder all homosexuals, not only would I not obey that law, but I would join homosexuals and fight for their right to live.  German Christians during WWII were arrested, tortured and killed for breaking the law of the land that commanded them to kill Jews.  Not only did they not kill Jews, but these Christians gave their life to save Jews.

OzmO, look up the definition of "debt slavery", or google it. 

I trust your interpretation of "debt slavery" is correct.

But it isn't call that in the Bible or even talked about it that way.    It's plain slavery with all it's ills.