IT'S A PRETTY SAD SITUATION WHEN...................

[Brixtonbulldog]

(i asked bb to move this so tapper could no longer delete my posts)

all i can say is you clearly have no idea of the inner workings of news broadcasters so your opinions dont mean anything

rob does say some absurd shit, like the "orbs" for instance ... but most of what he says is readily backed up by 1) historical precedent 2) alternate media 3) even mainstream media (the new york times reported the ISI/911 link)

most people dont want to investigate conspiracies because their knee jerk reaction is dismissive (mine was before i saw the footage of tower 7) ... but let me say that nobody believed enron was a conspiracy and we all know how that ended

No idea?  sure I don't.

Most of what he says isn't backed up by anything and he knows it.  Every last argument he's made is so full of holes you could fly a jumbo jet thru em.  Pun intended.  His sources alone are beyond questionable.

I love to see conspiracies exposed and I consider myself very open minded.  But this time the idea of a conspiracy on the part of Bush/CIA/Jews, etc. is completely retarded and every bit of  "evidence" 240 and others have sent me has amounted to nothing.

But lonely idiots are desperate to find a conspiracy and won't listen to reason due to a hatred for Bush and his admin or a serious gullability issue or both.  No one WANTS to believe the official story or anything close to it.

I know both 240 and I WANT another investigation.. and I do because then the conspiracy theory will be busted for good.

[Brixtonbulldog]

it doesnt matter what some soldier named brixton thinks, just as it doesnt matter what i think.

history will prove one of us right, and one of us wrong.

your paragraphs of cockmeasuring above are worthless, just as any rebuttal would be.  Piss off, and have a good one

Good point... I guess.

[gtbro1]

06 Toyota Tundra, motherfuccking 3.14 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!!! this shit is pissing me off.

1 ton 4wd Crew Cab Dually with a 454ci engine. 40 miles round trip to work....9 MPG ...$3.15 per gallon this a.m.

[OzmO]

$3.49 per gallon.....


Why are we in Iraq again?

[vikingpower]

No idea?  sure I don't.

Most of what he says isn't backed up by anything and he knows it.  Every last argument he's made is so full of holes you could fly a jumbo jet thru em.  Pun intended.  His sources alone are beyond questionable.

I love to see conspiracies exposed and I consider myself very open minded.  But this time the idea of a conspiracy on the part of Bush/CIA/Jews, etc. is completely retarded and every bit of  "evidence" 240 and others have sent me has amounted to nothing.

But lonely idiots are desperate to find a conspiracy and won't listen to reason due to a hatred for Bush and his admin or a serious gullability issue or both.  No one WANTS to believe the official story or anything close to it.

I know both 240 and I WANT another investigation.. and I do because then the conspiracy theory will be busted for good.

you said NOTHING substantiative in this post, you didnt back up anything

as i said before almost everything rob has said can be backed up with articles

all the 911 warnings, backed up by mainstream articles

all the 911/pakistan ISI/taliban links, backed up by mainsteam articles

the fabricated evidence the lead to the war in iraq, backed up by mainsteam articles

the fact both wars were planned before 911, backed up by mainstream articles

i have to widener are you legitimately stupid or in a state of denial?

[headhuntersix]

Lets see the mainstream articles......especially

the fabricated evidence the lead to the war in iraq, backed up by mainsteam articles

the fact both wars were planned before 911, backed up by mainstream articles

Being stupid or misinterpreting intel does not mean blatenly lying.

[vikingpower]

preplanned

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/preplanned.html


links to the BBC article

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http://www.rense.com/general47/before.htm

transcribes part of paul oniel interview from 60 minutes on iraq pre 911 invasion plans

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_Forgery

this was so well documented on every major news agency i wont bother linking other than the wiki overview

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keep telling yourself it was incompetence and ignore the fact that a conflict over resources was predicted in that region by PNAC and the DPG since at least 1992

[gtbro1]

my 76 Cutlass with a hood scoop and a race cam get 12.5 mpg. 

hahaha  oh brother. What are the specs on your "race" cam?

[vikingpower]

you said NOTHING substantiative in this post, you didnt back up anything

as i said before almost everything rob has said can be backed up with articles

all the 911 warnings, backed up by mainstream articles

all the 911/pakistan ISI/taliban links, backed up by mainsteam articles

the fabricated evidence the lead to the war in iraq, backed up by mainsteam articles

the fact both wars were planned before 911, backed up by mainstream articles

i have to widener are you legitimately stupid or in a state of denial?

Lets see the mainstream articles......especially

the fabricated evidence the lead to the war in iraq, backed up by mainsteam articles

the fact both wars were planned before 911, backed up by mainstream articles

Being stupid or misinterpreting intel does not mean blatenly lying.

preplanned

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/preplanned.html


links to the BBC article

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http://www.rense.com/general47/before.htm

transcribes part of paul oniel interview from 60 minutes on iraq pre 911 invasion plans

.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_Forgery

this was so well documented on every major news agency i wont bother linking other than the wiki overview

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keep telling yourself it was incompetence and ignore the fact that a conflict over resources was predicted in that region by PNAC and the DPG since at least 1992

whats up?

[headhuntersix]

I have a full time job...citing wiki is WEAK but I'll look at the rest.

[vikingpower]

you not paying attention to a story that was all over the news is weaker

[headhuntersix]

Point one..preplanned attack...ok the article says nothing. Massoud would never have worked with the Russians..no way..he stopped three huge attacks into the Panjsher during the war with them. I've been to his grave site. Janes is very reputable but the article proves nothing. The site is linked to is a CT site. I'm working my way through the other crap.

[vikingpower]

lol... whatever you say slick

[headhuntersix]

Yeah..because ur an expert on Afghanistan based on a CT site which links to a story which says nothing.

[headhuntersix]

Point two..so what!! we have been planning and revising the plan to invade Iraq since 1994...1994. Everything I did as an M1A1 Tanker was designed to go fight in the desert. These guys have uncovered nothing new.  Bush was looking for an excuse and the idea that Saddam had Nukes or other weapons was pretty valid at that time based on the Intel from 30 major sources, including other NATO intelligence agencies. They were wrong or the stuff ended up in Syria. Saddam did some things that despite not having human intel on the ground to verify, looked kinda weird to those folks. They took their best guess.

[The Enigma]

lol, I was actually thinking of getting rid of my car and getting an SUV.

Filling up that tank will run about $80 

Filled up my S550 today.........$90.00

[headhuntersix]

How much per gallon.....over 3 in KS about 2.84 in MO just over the bridge from me.

[vikingpower]

you are bending over backwards to fit the evidence into a preconceived notion

how about the cia ananysts and former head weapons inspector scott ritter saying the bush administration ignored them and manipulated the data? george tennent's new book ring a bell?

or how about the lack of WMD's found?

i dont blame you for being obstinant, after all i would feel like a total retard if i put my life on the line for a farse

[headhuntersix]

I don't believ Ritter because he had an axe to grind...but no weapons were found..yeah dude i get it..they made a mistake. They got alot of bad intel and when a few folks interpreted the intel different or in this case correctly, they went with the majority. I'm reading Tennents book now.....he's not saying anything new and he blames alot of the mistakes made on himself and the CIA. Your not going to get alot of argument outa me on the WMD thing...that ship sailed years ago.

[vikingpower]

just like they miscalculated the saddam 911 link?

just like the miscalculated the yellow cake?

just like they miscalculated the mobile VX labs?

just like they miscalculated sending the weapons inspectors on a mission to get intel to facilitate the termination of saddam husseins existence?

just like they miscalculated the pre 911 intel?

just like they miscalculated when they allowed a massive taliban/al quaeda airlift to leave afgan for pakistan?

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kinda funny all these were mistakes that happened to fit in well with a plan you yourself admit was in the works since 1994

how STUPID can you be?

[Tre]

$3.51 for the 87 octane here in Ventura County

The premium is $3.73.

[headhuntersix]

Viking I've been doing this for almost 15 years..i know the military and how it works..i've been to the places u see on the news and have talked or worked with the folks who run this war...

Again points 1-4..all WMD related and again they misread intel provided by 30 different sources including fellow NATO forces. Yeah they screwed up got it.

Point 5....um Bush was in office for what 8 months.....Clinton and company screwed that one up. And they all came to the same conclusion as Bush about saddam.

Point 6..The taliban doesn't have air and there was no massive airlift but i get the point. There are maybe 2000 taliban guys running around...we killed most or the rest melted away..ever been to the Hindu Kush...thought not.......its pretty easy to melt away. U  can't fly heavy lift choppers up there...terrain is a nightmare.


The plan which was layed out and refined from 1994-2001 was scraped by then SECDEF Rumsfeld and that idiot Wolfowitz.  They suck so u will get no argument from me on that. Instead of CT websites read a book or two by crediable authors.

[vikingpower]

for someone who claims 15 years doing this you sure suck at it

no airlift?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340165

The ‘airlift of evil’
Why did we let Pakistan pull ‘volunteers’ out of Kunduz?
A convoy of several hundred Taliban soldiers evacuate their northern foothold of Kunduz to surrender to opposing Northern Alliance forces earlier this week. 

  Michael Moran
Senior correspondent
 
 
Michael Moran
Brave New World columnist
 
EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Moran
MSNBC
NEW YORK, Nov. 29, 2001 - The United States took the unprecedented step this week of demanding that foreign airlines provide information on passengers boarding planes for America. Yet in the past week, a half dozen or more Pakistani air force cargo planes landed in the Taliban-held city of Kunduz and evacuated to Pakistan hundreds of non-Afghan soldiers who fought alongside the Taliban and even al-Qaida against the United States. What’s wrong with this picture?

THE PENTAGON, whose satellites and drones are able to detect sleeping guerrillas in subterranean caverns, claims it knows nothing of these flights. When asked about the mysterious airlift at a recent Pentagon briefing, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, denied knowledge of such flights. Myers backpedaled a bit, saying that, given the severe geography of the country, it might be possible to duck in and out of mountain valleys and conduct such an airlift undetected.

But Rumsfeld intervened. With his talent for being blunt and ambiguous at the same time, he said: “I have received absolutely no information that would verify or validate statements about airplanes moving in or out. I doubt them.”

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SEE NO EVIL

Western reporters actually in Kunduz in the days after it fell this week found much to dispel that doubt. Reports first appeared in the Indian press, quoting intelligence sources who cited unusual radar contacts and an airlift of Pakistani troops out of the city. Their presence among the “enemy” may shock some readers, but not those who have paid attention to Afghanistan. Pakistan had hundreds of military advisers in Afghanistan before Sept. 11 helping the Taliban fight the Northern Alliance. Hundreds more former soldiers actively joined Taliban regiments, and many Pakistani volunteers were among the non-Afghan legions of al-Qaida.

Last Saturday, The New York Times picked up the scent, quoting Northern Alliance soldiers in a Page 1 story describing a two-day airlift by Pakistani aircraft, complete with witnesses describing groups of armed men awaiting evacuation at the airfield, then still in Taliban hands.

Another report, this in the Times of London, quotes an alliance soldier angrily denouncing the flights, which he reasonably assumed were conducted with America’s blessing.

“We had decided to kill all of them, and we are not happy with America for letting the planes come,” said the soldier, Mahmud Shah.

IN DENIAL

The credibility gap between these reports from the field and the “no comments” from the U.S. administration are large enough to drive a Marine Expeditionary Unit through. Calls by MSNBC.com and NBC News to U.S. military and intelligence officials shed no light on the evacuation reports, though they clearly were a hot topic of conversation. “Oh, you mean ‘Operation Evil Airlift’?” one military source joked. “Look, I can’t confirm anything about those reports. As far as I know, they just aren’t happening.” Three other military and defense sources simply denied any knowledge.

Something is up. It certainly appears to any reasonable observer that aircraft of some kind or another were taking off and landing in Kunduz’s final hours in Taliban hands. Among the many questions that grow out of this reality:

Was the passenger manifest on these aircraft limited to Pakistani military and intelligence men, or did it include some of the more prominent zealots Pakistan contributed to the ranks of the Taliban and al-Qaida?

What kind of deal was struck between the United States and Pakistan to allow this?

What safeguards did the United States demand to ensure the evacuated Pakistanis did not include men who will come back to haunt us?

What was done with the civilian volunteers once they arrived home in Pakistan? Where they arrested? Debriefed? Taken to safe houses? Or a state banquet?

WHY NOT ADMIT IT

The answers remain elusive. If the passengers were simply Pakistani military and intelligence men, and not civilian extremists, what possible motive is there for concealing the truth about their evacuation? Pakistan may believe that no one has noticed the warmth of its intelligence ties to the Taliban and even al-Qaida, but surely the Pentagon isn’t operating under this illusion, is it? This news organization has quoted U.S. intelligence sources as far back as 1997 as saying that ties between Pakistan’s intelligence service and al-Qaida, and links to the Taliban — a movement nurtured by Pakistan — are undeniable.

Furthermore, the United States can easily explain why it would have allowed a military ruler under intense pressure at home to adopt an unpopular pro-American stance in this war to evacuate some elite intelligence and military forces from a chaotic battlefield. But only if, in fact, the planes were limited to evacuating those people.

The lack of a forthright answer to this question suggests otherwise, and that is a great shame. The history of American policy in Southwest Asia, from the shah of Iran to Saddam Hussein to Afghanistan and Pakistan, is marred by one example after another of short-term decisions that stored up enormous trouble for later. We failed for decades to find common ground with the world’s largest democracy, India. We failed to temper the shah’s domestic abuses in Iran in the name of anti-communism and wound up with the ayatollahs. We decided not to rile our Gulf War coalition allies by pushing onto to Baghdad and find ourselves a decade later wondering how to deal with Saddam Hussein. We pumped Afghanistan and Pakistan with billions of dollars worth of weapons and military know-how to fight the Soviet invasion, but then adopted the Pontius Pilate approach in victory, washing our hands of these struggling nations as soon as Moscow withdrew.

Now, are we careening down the same road with a nuclear-armed Pakistan? Are we allowing an army of anti-American zealots to live and fight another day for the sake of our convenient marriage with Pakistan’s current dictator? I wish I could quote Rumsfeld. I wish I could say “I doubt it.” I can’t.

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misinterpreted the intel?? they cherry picked only the pieces of intel that gave them an excuse to invade ... again, you are bending over backwards to avoid the obvious

[headhuntersix]

Yeah again got it...so what a few guys got on a plane....Dude whats your point in all this. Pakistan has been playing this game for years..ok so what. Or we go go back and forth with the insults..like u get ur info from ct websites and cherry pick only what u want to see based on no real life experience but that of a basement dweller..we could go there.I don't pretned to have all the answers or pretend to know it all like u do. It is what it is.  And besides Pakistani AF planes airlifting Pakistani troops out does not constitute the Taliban having an Airforce.

[vikingpower]

the point is every time you open your mouth i shut it with a link to a mainsteam source and you have to bend over even further backwards

must suck getting pnwed by a basement dweller dipshit ... as i said before how STUPID can you be