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Big Lie Democrats
« on: May 10, 2007, 08:44:09 AM »
When Bill Clinton left office in January 2001, he was convinced that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and active WMD research and production programs. George Tenet, the Clinton appointed head of the CIA, told George W. Bush prior to the war that the case that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction was "a slam dunk." Almost all of the Democratic members of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, seeing much of the same intelligence reports given to the White House, and with direct access to the intelligence communities and raw intelligence data, agreed. The intelligence arms of most major foreign governments, including those that opposed the war, agreed. The UN concurred that Saddam had not accounted for stockpiles of WMD that were known to exist after the end of the first Gulf War. So, according to the U.S. Democratic leadership, there is only one logical conclusion that one can draw from the lack of WMD found in Iraq -- George W. Bush lied us into the war.

This has been the mantra of leading Democrats since the Senate Minority Leader, Harry Reid, pulled his stunt to force the Senate into "closed session" as a "protest" over the supposed foot-dragging of Senate Republicans in the "Phase II" investigation looking into the matter. ("Phase I," which looked into allegations that the administration pressured the U.S. intelligence community to "cook" the intelligence to support the war, concluded, without a single Democrat dissent, that no such pressure took place). And now, to complete the farce, Senator John Kerry, during a press conference on November 14, proclaimed "the war in Iraq was and remains one of the great acts of misleading and deception in American history."

Senator Kerry, one might recall, built his political career on his status as a "war hero" in Vietnam, due to the fact that he amazingly, in four months time, was awarded three purple hearts (giving him a free ticket home), for wounds that, upon further scrutiny, appear, well, hyped. His most serious wound seems to have been unintentionally self-inflicted, and the first, of unknown origin, required treatment with a dab of Neosporin ointment. Upon returning home he made a name for himself by accusing U.S. soldiers of routinely committing atrocities, which he now admits he never actually saw, and which may not have been true. And then, of course, there is his famous story of his Christmas incursion into Cambodia, "seared" into his memory, strangely seared, since it, too, never happened. And during his presidential campaign he gave the distinct impression that he had met with "foreign leaders" who endorsed his candidacy, "negotiated treaties" while serving as a senator, and had been a much better college student than the idiot George W. Bush -- all of which turned out to be untrue.

Senator Kerry is, in fact, the Great Deceiver. So it is fitting that he has now taken up the Democratic crusade against George W. Bush, accusing him of lying to the Senate and to the American people on the basis of, well, let's be honest, next to no evidence, and in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

So far, the heart of the Democratic case seems to be one CIA document, declassified with great fanfare by Senator Carl Levin, which questions the credibility of one source regarding one issue (the training of al-Qaeda personnel in Iraq). But it is not clear that Bush was ever given this particular document, or that members of the Senate or House Intelligence Committees did not have access to it. What is clear, however, is that the CIA had other sources that corroborated the story, and CIA chief George Tenet felt that the overall evidence supported the story, regardless of the credibility issues of one source. It is certainly ironic that this cherry-picked document, in the Democrats' eyes, qualifies as damning evidence that Bush "cherry picked" intelligence to "mislead" the country into war.

It is also fitting, and ironic, that the Democratic leadership, which has used language comparing the actions of U.S. military personnel with that of Nazis (as in Senator Dick Durbin's infamous speech on the floor of the Senate, broadcast throughout the Middle East via al-Jazeera, for which he eventually felt compelled to apologize), now seems so adept at employing the propaganda strategy described by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels as "the Big Lie." Unfortunately, this Big Lie has been working (with the "mainstream" news media reporting the Democrats' daily accusations, with barely a mention of inconvenient facts to the contrary), and a majority of Americans now say that they believe that George W. Bush intentionally lied about Saddam's WMD programs in order to push an "unnecessary war." But as any watcher of public opinion polls knows, these sentiments can change.

Despite the often-repeated line in the media, that with no significant WMD finds in Iraq that "the primary rationale for the war" has been "discredited," whether or not WMD are ever found in Iraq is, in fact, irrelevant to the legitimacy for this "rationale" for the war. The rationale was (among other things) that we had good reason to suspect that Saddam possessed WMD and/or had advanced and on-going programs for their creation. Saddam gave us no reason to doubt this, refusing to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors (in violation of the cease-fire agreement from the first Gulf War), and actually kicking them out of the country in 1998 (prompting Bill Clinton to send a few cruise missiles into suspected Iraqi WMD targets). So the rationale that it was likely that Saddam had WMD programs -- which was the primary basis for Bill Clinton making "regime change" in Iraq official U.S. policy -- was perfectly sound, and remains perfectly sound rationale for having gone to war. But none of this matters in the new Democratic political calculus, and the big question is, why not?

The reason that the Democratic leadership seems intent on aggressively pushing a transparently false charge against the President of the United States is that it sees political advantage in doing so. It is what the Michael Mooron base of the party desires, and with the American public showing weariness of the war and of hearing the casualty figures reported daily in the media, the time is ripe, they calculate, to hammer Bush on the war. The only problem is, much of the Democratic leadership supported going to war. That dilemma is solved, in their mind, by pushing the argument that they were "misled" by Bush into doing so. This may turn out to be a bit uncomfortable for the Democrats' probable 2008 presidential candidate -- Hilary Clinton -- who is already on record as admitting that the intelligence used by the Bush administration was consistent with the intelligence assessments during the Bill Clinton presidency. But the Democrats will cross that bridge when they come to it. In the meantime, it is the Democratic priority to discredit the U.S. Commander in Chief, in time of war, simply because he's a Republican.

History will, most probably, correct the current misperceptions regarding Bush "lying us into war." And, most probably, history will eventually render an unflattering judgment on the Democratic leadership's current behavior. But that will be small comfort if the Democrats manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. Fortunately, Bush seems to have awoken to the fact that he can't continue simply to shrug off Democratic attacks and will, with the Republicans in Congress, aggressively respond to the Democrats' smear campaign.



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Re: Big Lie Democrats
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 01:08:50 PM »
Wow........nothing on this?? Surprise surprise!

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Re: Big Lie Democrats
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 01:15:21 PM »
probably cause it's not significant and certainly neotaint slanted and everyone is tired of reading your cut and paste.

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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 01:20:36 PM »
probably cause it's not significant and certainly neotaint slanted and everyone is tired of reading your cut and paste.

What he said.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 02:15:35 PM »
MR I needs to formulate his own rants. I fall in his camp on most things but u guys hate Rush so he can't win. Rush has apologized way to much for Bush and especially the VP and the former secdef.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 02:17:31 PM »
Did Mr. I get sodomized by Bill Clinton or something?  ???
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Re: Big Lie Democrats
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 08:41:14 PM »
I agree ... Clinton was crap just not as crap as Bush.

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Re: Big Lie Democrats
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2007, 03:10:23 AM »
probably cause it's not significant and certainly neotaint slanted and everyone is tired of reading your cut and paste.

The main problem, is that it's cut and paste through and through.

Would be very nice to see own ideas and reflections once in awhile.

But then again, we get to read a lot of Limbaugh material, which is good, since so many people listen to Limbaugh to know what to think about issues.

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2007, 05:09:02 AM »
I agree ... Clinton was crap just not as crap as Bush.

no doubt about it.just because pres.bush,cheny are the worst leadership in history doesn't mean the leaders before were that great they were just not as bad.
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Re: Big Lie Democrats
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2007, 05:34:51 AM »
I think that no one responded because with the exception of a few people, everyone on here realizes that both parties lie daily. Why bother reading about one more instance.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2007, 07:08:17 AM »
When Bill Clinton left office in January 2001, he was convinced that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and active WMD research and production programs.
None of these assertions changes the fact that President Bush broke international law and violated the US Constitution by ordering the illegal invasion of Iraq.


George Tenet, the Clinton appointed head of the CIA, told George W. Bush prior to the war that the case that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction was "a slam dunk."
This statement mischaracterizes the statement "a slam dunk.”  That phrase was in reference to selling the WMD story to the American public and not to the existence of Iraqi WMDs.

Almost all of the Democratic members of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, seeing much of the same intelligence reports given to the White House, and with direct access to the intelligence communities and raw intelligence data, agreed. The intelligence arms of most major foreign governments, including those that opposed the war, agreed. The UN concurred that Saddam had not accounted for stockpiles of WMD that were known to exist after the end of the first Gulf War. So, according to the U.S. Democratic leadership, there is only one logical conclusion that one can draw from the lack of WMD found in Iraq -- George W. Bush lied us into the war.
Bush’s constant pairing of 9/11/Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein in every speech he gave (and any Bush adm. Member gave) running up to the war shows quite plainly he’s a liar.

Or else almost 70% of the American public simultaneously drew the same erroneous conclusion that Hussein was behind the attacks of 9/11.

This has been the mantra of leading Democrats since the Senate Minority Leader, Harry Reid, pulled his stunt to force the Senate into "closed session" as a "protest" over the supposed foot-dragging of Senate Republicans in the "Phase II" investigation looking into the matter. ("Phase I," which looked into allegations that the administration pressured the U.S. intelligence community to "cook" the intelligence to support the war, concluded, without a single Democrat dissent, that no such pressure took place). And now, to complete the farce, Senator John Kerry, during a press conference on November 14, proclaimed "the war in Iraq was and remains one of the great acts of misleading and deception in American history."
Kerry was correct.  See the above lies of the president.

Senator Kerry, one might recall, built his political career on his status as a "war hero" in Vietnam, due to the fact that he amazingly, in four months time, was awarded three purple hearts (giving him a free ticket home), for wounds that, upon further scrutiny, appear, well, hyped. His most serious wound seems to have been unintentionally self-inflicted, and the first, of unknown origin, required treatment with a dab of Neosporin ointment. Upon returning home he made a name for himself by accusing U.S. soldiers of routinely committing atrocities, which he now admits he never actually saw, and which may not have been true. And then, of course, there is his famous story of his Christmas incursion into Cambodia, "seared" into his memory, strangely seared, since it, too, never happened. And during his presidential campaign he gave the distinct impression that he had met with "foreign leaders" who endorsed his candidacy, "negotiated treaties" while serving as a senator, and had been a much better college student than the idiot George W. Bush -- all of which turned out to be untrue.
Kerry served in Viet Nam—The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have been thoroughly debunked.  Kerry was correct about the war crimes attendant to Viet Nam (Mai Lai Massacre?).  The rest of that crap is innuendo not worth mentioning.

Senator Kerry is, in fact, the Great Deceiver. So it is fitting that he has now taken up the Democratic crusade against George W. Bush, accusing him of lying to the Senate and to the American people on the basis of, well, let's be honest, next to no evidence, and in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
No evidence?  Look at any speech Bush gave up to the illegal invasion and you will find the 9/11/Al Qaeda connection with Hussein.

So far, the heart of the Democratic case seems to be one CIA document, declassified with great fanfare by Senator Carl Levin, which questions the credibility of one source regarding one issue (the training of al-Qaeda personnel in Iraq). But it is not clear that Bush was ever given this particular document, or that members of the Senate or House Intelligence Committees did not have access to it. What is clear, however, is that the CIA had other sources that corroborated the story, and CIA chief George Tenet felt that the overall evidence supported the story, regardless of the credibility issues of one source. It is certainly ironic that this cherry-picked document, in the Democrats' eyes, qualifies as damning evidence that Bush "cherry picked" intelligence to "mislead" the country into war.


The heart of the case against Bush is not lying, it’s his violation of the US constitution for ordering the illegal invasion of Iraq, spying on Americans, ordering torture, and generally eviscerating the 4th, 6th and 8th amendments to the Constitution. 

As for proving a politcian lied, Hell, even with a semen soaked dress the Republicans couldn’t prove that President Clinton lied about a sexual relationship.  It’s very difficult to prove.


It is also fitting, and ironic, that the Democratic leadership, which has used language comparing the actions of U.S. military personnel with that of Nazis (as in Senator Dick Durbin's infamous speech on the floor of the Senate, broadcast throughout the Middle East via al-Jazeera, for which he eventually felt compelled to apologize), now seems so adept at employing the propaganda strategy described by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels as "the Big Lie." Unfortunately, this Big Lie has been working (with the "mainstream" news media reporting the Democrats' daily accusations, with barely a mention of inconvenient facts to the contrary), and a majority of Americans now say that they believe that George W. Bush intentionally lied about Saddam's WMD programs in order to push an "unnecessary war." But as any watcher of public opinion polls knows, these sentiments can change.
Al Qaeda/WMDs and Hussein—repeat a few thousand times and you have the BIG LIE just like Mr. Goebbels talked about.

Despite the often-repeated line in the media, that with no significant WMD finds in Iraq that "the primary rationale for the war" has been "discredited," whether or not WMD are ever found in Iraq is, in fact, irrelevant to the legitimacy for this "rationale" for the war. The rationale was (among other things) that we had good reason to suspect that Saddam possessed WMD and/or had advanced and on-going programs for their creation. Saddam gave us no reason to doubt this, refusing to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors (in violation of the cease-fire agreement from the first Gulf War), and actually kicking them out of the country in 1998 (prompting Bill Clinton to send a few cruise missiles into suspected Iraqi WMD targets). So the rationale that it was likely that Saddam had WMD programs -- which was the primary basis for Bill Clinton making "regime change" in Iraq official U.S. policy -- was perfectly sound, and remains perfectly sound rationale for having gone to war. But none of this matters in the new Democratic political calculus, and the big question is, why not?
Who cares what anyone believed about WMDs in Iraq in the run up to the illegal invasion?

The findings of the WMD Inspectors ON THE GROUND in Iraq prior to the illegal invasion is what mattered.  Their findings would have been sufficient as to whether use of force was necessary.  Too bad Bush illegally ordered the attack cutting off the inspections before they were completed.


The reason that the Democratic leadership seems intent on aggressively pushing a transparently false charge against the President of the United States is that it sees political advantage in doing so. It is what the Michael Mooron base of the party desires, and with the American public showing weariness of the war and of hearing the casualty figures reported daily in the media, the time is ripe, they calculate, to hammer Bush on the war. The only problem is, much of the Democratic leadership supported going to war. That dilemma is solved, in their mind, by pushing the argument that they were "misled" by Bush into doing so. This may turn out to be a bit uncomfortable for the Democrats' probable 2008 presidential candidate -- Hilary Clinton -- who is already on record as admitting that the intelligence used by the Bush administration was consistent with the intelligence assessments during the Bill Clinton presidency. But the Democrats will cross that bridge when they come to it. In the meantime, it is the Democratic priority to discredit the U.S. Commander in Chief, in time of war, simply because he's a Republican.
Irrelevant speculation and mind reading.

History will, most probably, correct the current misperceptions regarding Bush "lying us into war." And, most probably, history will eventually render an unflattering judgment on the Democratic leadership's current behavior. But that will be small comfort if the Democrats manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. Fortunately, Bush seems to have awoken to the fact that he can't continue simply to shrug off Democratic attacks and will, with the Republicans in Congress, aggressively respond to the Democrats' smear campaign.



http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9035


Lying is difficult to prove.  But we don't need to show that Bush lied to demonstrate how he has violated the US Constitution multiple times.

Why wait for history to judge this criminal administration?  We could do it right now.


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Re: Big Lie Democrats
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2007, 08:19:15 AM »
I think that no one responded because with the exception of a few people, everyone on here realizes that both parties lie daily. Why bother reading about one more instance.

Very well said.   :)

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2007, 08:21:29 AM »
Very well said.   :)

I am so tired of "repugs did this, neotaints did this" blah blah blah.

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2007, 08:30:16 AM »
I am so tired of "repugs did this, neotaints did this" blah blah blah.

Well, i can't speak for others, but IMO, neotaints got us into one screwed situation in Iraq do to their incompetence. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2007, 08:39:28 AM »
Well, i can't speak for others, but IMO, neotaints got us into one screwed situation in Iraq do to their incompetence. 

I don't see it as incompetence.  I see everything going exactly as planned.

We have 300,000 men there, if you count the contractors too.   We know there are only 2500 insurgents.

Now, one of two things is happening. Either:

1) Despite an over 100 to 1 edge in Us:them, and a huge money/firepower/technology edge, they have eluded us for 4 years, or

2) Things are being managed - purposely - so that we DON'T win yet - until the pipeline is finished.




Which do you think makes more sense?  And if the primary purpose of the war WAS oil, then wouldn't #2 make a LOT of sense?  (To stall ending the war because we lose our pipeline ability at that point)

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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2007, 08:42:10 AM »
I don't see it as incompetence.  I see everything going exactly as planned.

We have 300,000 men there, if you count the contractors too.   We know there are only 2500 insurgents.

Now, one of two things is happening. Either:

1) Despite an over 100 to 1 edge in Us:them, and a huge money/firepower/technology edge, they have eluded us for 4 years, or

2) Things are being managed - purposely - so that we DON'T win yet - until the pipeline is finished.




Which do you think makes more sense?  And if the primary purpose of the war WAS oil, then wouldn't #2 make a LOT of sense?  (To stall ending the war because we lose our pipeline ability at that point)

I'm sorry 240.  I know you have explained this before, but can you please explain why we need to keep a state of chaos in Iraq to build a pipeline?  Why couldn't we build it with stability?   What would happen if we leave and their is instability?  It's early here, my head is full of cotton  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2007, 08:46:42 AM »
I'm sorry 240.  I know you have explained this before, but can you please explain why we need to keep a state of chaos in Iraq to build a pipeline?  Why couldn't we build it with stability?   What would happen if we leave and their is instability?  It's early here, my head is full of cotton  ;D

We have made two things very clear to Iraq, the UN, and our nation:

1) We will not leave until there is relative peace in iraq, and
2) We will leave as soon as the Iraqi govt asks us, as long as there is stability.

There is instability now.  So we cannot leave.  We are using a big chunk of those 300,000 men not for security - but to build that pipeline.  They're working like madmen to get it done. 

If there is peace - the Iraqi leaders have made it VERY clear - they'll ask us to leave so they can split the il revenues NOT with the US firms helping them out - but between the three regions and let them manage their assets.  In orther words, when he came to DC< al-Maliki told the world that he wants the US out, asap. 


We're building a huge pipeline.  We have 14 huge, permanent US bases.  It would make zero sense to build permanent bases if we didn't plan on staying.  It would make no sense to build them a pipeline if we don't plan on using it.

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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2007, 08:53:53 AM »
We have made two things very clear to Iraq, the UN, and our nation:

1) We will not leave until there is relative peace in iraq, and
2) We will leave as soon as the Iraqi govt asks us, as long as there is stability.

There is instability now.  So we cannot leave.  We are using a big chunk of those 300,000 men not for security - but to build that pipeline.  They're working like madmen to get it done. 

If there is peace - the Iraqi leaders have made it VERY clear - they'll ask us to leave so they can split the il revenues NOT with the US firms helping them out - but between the three regions and let them manage their assets.  In orther words, when he came to DC< al-Maliki told the world that he wants the US out, asap. 


We're building a huge pipeline.  We have 14 huge, permanent US bases.  It would make zero sense to build permanent bases if we didn't plan on staying.  It would make no sense to build them a pipeline if we don't plan on using it.

ok, hmmm.  any news or links of this pipeline?  I know you posted something with maps a few days back.  I been busy in another board lately, so that's where my time has been going.

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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2007, 09:01:14 AM »
I'm sure jag can tell ya more than I can - the US media doesn't bring it up.  When Dennis Kuscinich did on Tucker recently (MSNBC), they instantly had "mic difficulties" and he was cut off. 

google has a lot on it.  I don't read int'l media like I used to (time!) so i can't tell you about the status or whatever.  But we admit we're building "iraqi oil infrastructure" and the pics are everywhere on google, and recently, Cheney especially - haven't even hid the fact that we WILL be managing iraqi resources.

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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2007, 09:02:17 AM »
everyone is tired of reading your cut and paste.

People cut and paste all the time to start debates and it's mostly the liberal posters with their spin........like a true liberal Oz, you have a double standard, but I guess when a liberal or dem posts a cut and paste it's ok?

Look through my posts, there's alot more of my opinion on here than there is "cut and "paste"

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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2007, 09:04:43 AM »
None of these assertions changes the fact that President Bush broke international law and violated the US Constitution by ordering the illegal invasion of Iraq.

This statement mischaracterizes the statement "a slam dunk.”  That phrase was in reference to selling the WMD story to the American public and not to the existence of Iraqi WMDs.
Bush’s constant pairing of 9/11/Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein in every speech he gave (and any Bush adm. Member gave) running up to the war shows quite plainly he’s a liar.

Or else almost 70% of the American public simultaneously drew the same erroneous conclusion that Hussein was behind the attacks of 9/11.
 Kerry was correct.  See the above lies of the president.
Kerry served in Viet Nam—The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have been thoroughly debunked.  Kerry was correct about the war crimes attendant to Viet Nam (Mai Lai Massacre?).  The rest of that crap is innuendo not worth mentioning.
 No evidence?  Look at any speech Bush gave up to the illegal invasion and you will find the 9/11/Al Qaeda connection with Hussein.
 

The heart of the case against Bush is not lying, it’s his violation of the US constitution for ordering the illegal invasion of Iraq, spying on Americans, ordering torture, and generally eviscerating the 4th, 6th and 8th amendments to the Constitution. 

As for proving a politcian lied, Hell, even with a semen soaked dress the Republicans couldn’t prove that President Clinton lied about a sexual relationship.  It’s very difficult to prove.

Al Qaeda/WMDs and Hussein—repeat a few thousand times and you have the BIG LIE just like Mr. Goebbels talked about.
Who cares what anyone believed about WMDs in Iraq in the run up to the illegal invasion?

The findings of the WMD Inspectors ON THE GROUND in Iraq prior to the illegal invasion is what mattered.  Their findings would have been sufficient as to whether use of force was necessary.  Too bad Bush illegally ordered the attack cutting off the inspections before they were completed.

Irrelevant speculation and mind reading.
Lying is difficult to prove.  But we don't need to show that Bush lied to demonstrate how he has violated the US Constitution multiple times.

Why wait for history to judge this criminal administration?  We could do it right now.



Spin.

Spoken like a true bandwagon liberal who thinks everyone is wrong but them!

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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2007, 09:05:52 AM »
Spin.

Spoken like a true bandwagon liberal who thinks everyone is wrong but them!
What you just said makes no sense.

Conclusions with no factual support seem to be your MO for debate.

That's why you lose every time.

It's why you lost now.

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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2007, 09:07:07 AM »
What you just said makes no sense.

Conclusions with no factual support seem to be your MO for debate.

That's why you lose every time.

Really? Where are your facts to support your spin?

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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2007, 09:16:12 AM »
People cut and paste all the time to start debates and it's mostly the liberal posters with their spin........like a true liberal Oz, you have a double standard, but I guess when a liberal or dem posts a cut and paste it's ok?

Look through my posts, there's alot more of my opinion on here than there is "cut and "paste"

No, you got it all wrong.  (which isn't surprising considering you get most things wrong and totally miss the point even though it's spelled out for you)

People do cut and paste all the time AND write out their opinions also.  You mostly cut and paste long drawn out Rush articles that people are tired of reading and therefore usually don't read.

Then you barely provide any legitimate competent arguments when you do debate. 

You mostly just lace your dribble with attack on lib stereotypes.

That's why you are mostly laughed at here.

But you probably think that laughing is  a "lib" thing don't you?   ::)

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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2007, 09:17:30 AM »
Spoken like a true bandwagon liberal who thinks everyone is wrong but them!

You do a lot of negative namecalling, and labeling.  As does Rush and OReilly.  

I watch/listen to them, and I watch/listen to far left media.  I notice one difference:

The far left media focuses on the actions of what Bush does, and points out the negatives.  
The far right media focuses on what they see as character flaws in the libs, and what they "might" do if they were in charge.

You see this when Olbermann spends 8 minutes showing inconsistencies in statements by Bush - while OReilly spends that same 8 minutes telling his listeners why "Liberals hate america".   Olbermann's statement contains videotaped evidence, undeniable.  OReilly's does not.