So I attended a Mormon Church . . .

[Butterbean]

If you rent Angels in America, the main character wears them.

If that is a chick-flick odds are 100% that I won't rent it 

[Al-Gebra]

If that is a chick-flick odds are 100% that I won't rent it 

it's not a chick flick for sure . . . I have no idea what genre it falls in.  Gay fantasy, perhaps?  Al Pacino's in it, so is Meryl Streep, Emma Thompson . . . it's long as hell too.

[genrommel74]

How much do they cost?  Do you have to purchase a set number?  Do the women have to wear the undershirts also?

I dont know much they cost. They are not expensive. They come packs of 4 shirts or 4 pants etc.

Yes women have to wear the undershirts. the garments are the same, the only difference in them is the mens bottoms have extra room the male anatomy(penis). And womens top(undershirt) has extra room for the female anatomy(breasts). So they alittle different only to make more comfortable for the wearer

[Wombat]

I used to work with a kid years ago that was about 6 months away from going on his 2 year mission...I would drink coffee and swear and shit like that and he would call me a sinner and a lost soul...Funny thing about him is we used to go out to the clubs and i would get all banged up on E and GhB while he just liked to dance and try to pick up as many girls as he could...I would see him making out in the corner with diff/girls thru out the night...Pretty funny...I used to ask him about the religion but he seemed to not want to share really to much about it...Probably knew i would fck with him and call him a hypocrite..

The most interesting thing about all this was that his dad got his whole family into the religion...I found out what his dad did for a job(he was a big wig and Anheuser Bush)...I almost fell out of my chair when he told me what his dad did...I told him to tell his dad "thanks for peddling the devils brew" to all us lost souls and i hope he sleeps well at night...

Have any of you guys read about the ties between the illuminati and the mormon Church...Some freaky shit...One really has to wonder how the fck does a religion get a whole state in the U.S...That alone is pretty strange...

[Parker]

That doesn't appear to be consistent with what Mormon leaders have said in the past:

Church leader Bruce R. McConkie, on the denial of equality for Africans: 

“NEGROES IN THIS LIFE ARE DENIED THE PRIESTHOOD; under NO circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation IS NOT CARRIED AFFIRMATIVELY TO THEM... “NEGROES ARE NOT EQUAL WITH OTHER RACES WHERE THE RECEIPT OF CERTAIN SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS ARE CONCERNED...” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, p. 477)

Future President of the Mormon church, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:

“Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness HE BECAME THE FATHER OF AN INFERIOR RACE.”
(The Way to Perfection, page 101)

More from Smith:

“There is a reason why one man is BORN BLACK and with OTHER DISADVANTAGES, while another is BORN WHITE with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient; more or less, to the laws that were given us there.”
(Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, page 61)

The Mark of Cain

The Mormon prophet Brigham Young on the appearence of Africans:

“Cain slew his brother....and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the FLAT NOSE AND BLACK SKIN...”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, pages 290-291)

From a Mormon Publication:

“Their skin is quite black, their hair woolly and black, THEIR INTELLIGENCE STUNTED, and they appear never to have arisen from the most savage state of barbarism.” The Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157)

http://www.realmormonhistory.com/god&skin.htm

Yep that about summs up the hypocrisy. Blast you then, but come with open arms now, and play pretend, by not taclking what The Founder Brigham Young (and his poly past) had said. "Go get more black souls, because they are lost due to their inherent inferiority"

I know the game

Just because someones "wears the garments" does not make them more applicable to enter "a house of God", than one who doesn't any under wear at all. One could wear those garments and shoot up the church. And the main fact that there regulatory "underwear", shows the perverse natural of their intrusion ino one's personal life, and trying to make one feel  bad about it. And what happens if a woman say's yes she is wearing the "garments< but she is not, and they know she is lying? Do they check her?

[Al-Gebra]

1. Mormons got Utah b/c it was n't desirable land then.  They were persecuted in the East, so they migrated West . . . to the desert, basically.  Later, it was in the politicians' interest to incorporate Utah as a state.  And by then, Young had filled it with Mormons.

 They almost lost everything when Congress was on the verge of confiscating all the assets of LDS church b/c of polygamy.  That's when the Brigham Young's successor had a timely vision about plural marriage.

Mormons were almost on par w racial minorities like Blacks and chinese during the late 19th century.

2.  Why indict just Brigham Young for harboring such thoughts about blacks? A lot of white Christians, especially in the South, felt similarly about them.

3.  Why should Mormons have to be perfect?

[Parker]

1. Mormons got Utah b/c it was n't desirable land then.  They were persecuted in the East, so they migrated West . . . to the desert, basically.  It was in the politicians' interest to incorporate them as a state later.  That said, they almost lost everything when Congress was on the verge of confiscating all the assets of LDS b/c of polygamy.  That's when the Brigham Young had a timely vision about plural marriage.

Mormons were almost on par w racial minorities like Blacks and chinese during the late 19th century.

2.  Why indict just Brigham Young for harboring such thoughts about blacks? A lot of white Christians, especially in the South, felt similarly about them.

3.  Why should Mormons have to be perfect?

Nope, because into the first halve of the 19th century, black were slaves, then after 1865 Reconstruction was ended, which entered the black codes, and Jim Crow. West of the Mississippi River was a little liberal than the south and the east coast at that time period.  Plus, Mormons were white.

2. Yes many white Christians of the time did (also the Bible neither condones nor condemns slavery), but not all, with the Mormons they explicitly taught that...

Mofos need to stop having "visions". You could bump you head and have a "Vision" and get enough gulible people to believe you, poof instant religion.

3. I'm not saving perfect, it is just "convient" that the long-standing tradition of this mark of Ham, and then all of a sudden they want to convert blacks...based on the assumption that their poor souls need it. The same thing is being taught, just wrapped up in a different coat, like a Camary and a Lexus ES350.

[Al-Gebra]

1. in the interest of historical accuracy, reconstruction ended in 1877, and that's when the "separate, but equal" bs began.

2. Joseph Smith was killed by a mob, and later on the govt was ready to intervene in Utah militarily.  People really hated them . . . people don't up and migrate over a 1,000 miles (often on foot) for no good reason.  They had their own Trail of Tears . . .

3.  Mormonism arose at a time when people were very much into raciAList bs, so it's not surprising that some of it made its way into their "theology."  If you look at christian scripture, you'll see a lot of culturally specific things too. it's just the way it goes. Angels appear. Visions are granted.  it's the way of all faith.

[genrommel74]

Nope, because into the first halve of the 19th century, black were slaves, then after 1865 Reconstruction was ended, which entered the black codes, and Jim Crow. West of the Mississippi River was a little liberal than the south and the east coast at that time period.  Plus, Mormons were white.

2. Yes many white Christians of the time did (also the Bible neither condones nor condemns slavery), but not all, with the Mormons they explicitly taught that...

Mofos need to stop having "visions". You could bump you head and have a "Vision" and get enough gulible people to believe you, poof instant religion.

3. I'm not saving perfect, it is just "convient" that the long-standing tradition of this mark of Ham, and then all of a sudden they want to convert blacks...based on the assumption that their poor souls need it. The same thing is being taught, just wrapped up in a different coat, like a Camary and a Lexus ES350.

1.IF you look at the bible many of the different prophets had convient visions that accomplished there needs.

2. Joseph Smith not brigham young was  the founder of the LDS(mormon) faith.

3. Mormons had it just as bad as any minority in the 19th century. The mormons started in new york then were forced to go to pennsylvania, and then moved to missouri. They were then forced out of missouri, it was so bad in missouri that the Governor of the State of missouri put out an extermination order for any mormons(Meaning it was legally ok to kill any mormon within the state of missouri). That law wasnt repealled until 1972. Then they moved to ohio, they were then driven out of ohio. After the mormons were forced out of ohio they moved to illinois and built the city nauvoo, the mormons were then forced out of illinois and the city nauvoo(which was bigger than chicago) was burned to the ground. It was after this that the mormons made there way to utah, then nothing more than a desert. The reason that mormons when to utah because it was outside the authority of the US government. And when i say that the mormons left a state i mean that violent mobs physically chased them out of the state. That is why the mormons took up polygamy because the men were being killed by the mobs. The then surviving men married multiple wives because the widows and fatherless children needed fathers.

[Al-Gebra]

1.IF you look at the bible many of the different prophets had convient visions that accomplished there needs.

2. Joseph Smith not brigham young was  the founder of the LDS(mormon) faith.

3. Mormons had it just as bad as any minority in the 19th century. The mormons started in new york then were forced to go to pennsylvania, and then moved to missouri. They were then forced out of missouri, it was so bad in missouri that the Governor of the State of missouri put out an extermination order for any mormons(Meaning it was legally ok to kill any mormon within the state of missouri). That law wasnt repealled until 1972. Then they moved to ohio, they were then driven out of ohio. After the mormons were forced out of ohio they moved to illinois and built the city nauvoo, the mormons were then forced out of illinois and the city nauvoo(which was bigger than chicago) was burned to the ground. It was after this that the mormons made there way to utah, then nothing more than a desert. The reason that mormons when to utah because it was outside the authority of the US government. And when i say that the mormons left a state i mean that violent mobs physically chased them out of the state. That is why the mormons took up polygamy because the men were being killed by the mobs. The then surviving men married multiple wives because the widows and fatherless children needed fathers.

monster restating what I just posted. 

Except for one thing . . . Joseph Smith married multiple wives before the mobs started. One of the reasons the mobs started attacking was b/c of polygamy.

And yeah, I know that Joseph Smith's wife supposedly denied that he engaged in plural marriage.

[Dos Equis]

I'm not sure how much of a distinction this is, but isn't one of the differences between Mormons and Christians on the historical race issue is many Christians contorted a Bible verse or two to justify slavery, while the alleged inferiority of blacks was part of Mormon doctrine?  I don't know that any major Christian denomination (Baptists, etc.) ever taught that Satan was black, the mark of Cain was black skin, blacks could not go to heaven, etc.?  Maybe I'm splitting hairs . . . .   

[genrommel74]

I'm not sure how much of a distinction this is, but isn't one of the differences between Mormons and Christians on the historical race issue is many Christians contorted a Bible verse or two to justify slavery, while the alleged inferiority of blacks was part of Mormon doctrine?  I don't know that any major Christian denomination (Baptists, etc.) ever taught that Satan was black, the mark of Cain was black skin, blacks could not go to heaven, etc.?  Maybe I'm splitting hairs . . . .   

The mormon church has never said that satan was black.(Satan doesnt have a physical body) The church has never stated that blacks could not go to heaven. And the mormon church has been against slavery form the beginning, that is one of the reason we were forced out of missouri, because the church was becoming to powerful politicaly(because of the large numbers of mormons in the state) and the church did not support slavery.

[Tre]

...but if you do marry outside the church then you cannot get married in the temple. to get married in the temple then you have both must be worthy members of the church

And if you don't get married 'in the temple', then you're looked down upon by those who were.

And if you marry a non-member, then your family is categorized in the LDS system as a 'part-member family'.

Weirdos.

[Tre]

Didn't Mormons teach that the mark of Cain was black skin? 

Yes, they did.

But as with many of their original 'teachings', they've devoted the past 25-30 years to re-writing their history in a very cleverly scripted PR campaign. 

If you look at Mormonism as a business, then it all begins to make sense. 

[Tre]

I have heard that Cains mark was his black skin, but that doesnt mean that white people are better or that black or people of colored are more sinful or anything like that. It just means that his mark was his black skin

True or False?

Mormonism teaches that Mormons are inherently superior to Native Americans (you call them Lamanites). 

[Tre]

I think the LDS have eschewed the position that blacks are inferior, just like they did plural marriage. things evolve.

They did so, because changing their position(s) helps to bring more money in. 

[Tre]

So we do accept everybody and eveybody is equal.

Typical Mormon bullshit.

When's the last time you observed a little girl passing the sacrament?  Just wondering. 

[Tre]

Everybody does

The Mormons waited until 1978, after they'd had sufficient time to evaluate the positive economic impact of treating Blacks more fairly. 

[Tre]

Garments are church-issued, you have to buy them at special stores. They consist of very thin white undershirt and very thin white underwear(basically thin boxers)

They ought to be free for tithes-payers.

Just one more way to control the money...

[Tre]

How much do they cost?  Do you have to purchase a set number?  Do the women have to wear the undershirts also?

They aren't that expensive, but you have to go to the church store to get them.  And they're not out on display either - they're kept safe 'in the back'.  And the part Rommel didn't mention is that you actually have to have special permission to even buy them.  If you don't carry your 'temple recommend' card with you to the store, you will not be allowed to purchase the sacred garments.

There are some more modernized styles available now that allow people to wear them while participating in sports, etc., but here are the basic looks:



http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_garments.html

[Tre]

...One really has to wonder how the fck does a religion get a whole state in the U.S...That alone is pretty strange...

Timing.

Remember, no one else wanted Utah at the time, so it was the perfect place to settle. 

[Tre]

Yep that about summs up the hypocrisy. Blast you then, but come with open arms now, and play pretend, by not taclking what The Founder Brigham Young (and his poly past) had said. "Go get more black souls, because they are lost due to their inherent inferiority"

I know the game

Just because someones "wears the garments" does not make them more applicable to enter "a house of God", than one who doesn't any under wear at all. One could wear those garments and shoot up the church. And the main fact that there regulatory "underwear", shows the perverse natural of their intrusion ino one's personal life, and trying to make one feel  bad about it. And what happens if a woman say's yes she is wearing the "garments< but she is not, and they know she is lying? Do they check her?

I couldn't have said it better myself.

As always, well done, Parker.

[Tre]

3.  Why should Mormons have to be perfect?

Because they're the ones who teach that you're going to 'become God' after you die. 

[Tre]

And yeah, I know that Joseph Smith's wife supposedly denied that he engaged in plural marriage.

And today, in 2007, the 'good and faithful' Mormon women will tell you that they're totally content with their role in their church...that they're not lower on the totem pole than the men.

[Tre]

I'm not sure how much of a distinction this is, but isn't one of the differences between Mormons and Christians on the historical race issue is many Christians contorted a Bible verse or two to justify slavery, while the alleged inferiority of blacks was part of Mormon doctrine?  I don't know that any major Christian denomination (Baptists, etc.) ever taught that Satan was black, the mark of Cain was black skin, blacks could not go to heaven, etc.?  Maybe I'm splitting hairs . . . . 

The Mormons have 3 levels of 'heaven', with the 'celestial kingdom' being the highest.  As a male, you could not ascend to that highest level unless you held the 'priesthood' and prior to 1978, if you were non-White, the 'priesthood' was not available to you. 

What you mention may be a difference between the two, but one thing that Mormons stress in their classes is that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers in a literal sense and furthermore, that every single person who has ever lived or will live is also the literal brother or sister of both Jesus and Lucifer.  Whether other Christian religions believe/teach that or not, I don't think anyone else dwells on it like the Mormons do.

The primary difference between Christians and Mormons, however, is that Christians believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost to be one and the same, while Mormons believe that God (aka Heavenly Father), Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are 3 distinctly separate entities.