IFBB ethical/moral Code Of Conduct?

[Chick]

there are so many athletes that do the Musclemania AND the NPC, but the IFBB never cares... but PDI, ....

One is the NPC, and one is the IFBB...

IFBB- PRO

NPC- AMATEUR

[timfogarty]

One is the NPC, and one is the IFBB...

and there is a court order that prevents the NPC (and Jim Manion by name) from penalizing anyone for entering another organization's contests.

[Chick]

and there is a court order that prevents the NPC (and Jim Manion by name) from penalizing anyone for entering another organization's contests.

You are correct, sir....amateurs can compete wherever they want.

[knny187]

amateur is not Pro....whats so hard to understand?

[christinafitness]

The NPC is the US amateur division of the IFBB ... the same federation.

[Chick]

The NPC is the US amateur division of the IFBB ... the same federation.

What aren't you getting here?

Amateur rules are different than professional rules...

And no, they aren't the same federation...no different than a AAA baseball club being the same as a Major league team, even though they are a farmclub for that team...

get it now?

[christinafitness]

The NPC is part of the IFBB, so it is the same federation.
Otherwise the NPC could not send any athletes to the IFBB World Championships.
The IFBB has amateurs and professionals, two divisions within the same federation.

[Chick]

The NPC is part of the IFBB, so it is the same federation.
Otherwise the NPC could not send any athletes to the IFBB World Championships.
The IFBB has amateurs and professionals, two divisions within the same federation.

yikes.....

What is your point?

[triple_pickle]

.... Teachers, cops and allot of other jobs usually get fined, suspended or even fired for doing stuff the IFBB guys do....

bodybuilding does not qualify as a job

[Chick]

The NPC is part of the IFBB, so it is the same federation.
Otherwise the NPC could not send any athletes to the IFBB World Championships.
The IFBB has amateurs and professionals, two divisions within the same federation.

Not quite sure whats so hard to understand...

The "pro league" is a division of the IFBB, as is the IFBB amateur, and other affiliates around the world...

The NPC is a totally seperate entity with different rules, different officers...they are affiliated as the NPC is  the ONLY amateur org. in the U.S. that the IFBB recognizes.

[ja351]

Are there any NPC athletes that have a weider contract or supplement contract?

[Chick]

Are there any NPC athletes that have a weider contract or supplement contract?

Weider contracts? No.

Supp contracts...I assume there may be a few. As an amateur, I believe you can make a certain amount of money a year and retain your amateur status. Not 100% sure...

[christinafitness]

My point is that amateurs AND professionals are part of the IFBB.
The NPC is part of the IFBB, not a seperate federation, just like the IFBB amateurs of Spain.

[Chick]

My point is that amateurs AND professionals are part of the IFBB.
The NPC is part of the IFBB, not a seperate federation, just like the IFBB amateurs of Spain.

I cant explain it any more simple for you...you're wrong.

There is IFBB Pro and IFBB amateur (which encompasses Europe and everything but the U.S.)

The NPC is a totally seperate entity, it's only under the IFBB as an affiliate...

[timfogarty]

Supp contracts...I assume there may be a few.

Stan McQuay comes to mind.   He probably made more money from his endorsement contracts than did most pros.

As an amateur, I believe you can make a certain amount of money a year and retain your amateur status. Not 100% sure...

there is no legal definition in US law on what is an amateur.

and the NPC has no rules, or at least no enforceable rules, regarding what is an amateur.  Again, Stan McQuay competed as a pro in Musclemania in 2000 and 2001, and also competed in the NPC at the same time.

[The Coach]

Not sure why, but I been thinking...  Is there an existing "Code of Conduct" (for lack of a better name) for IFBB athletes?  Seems to me it would be a solution to at least some of the issues that plague or reflect poorly on the "sport".   Encouraging or requiring athletes and judges to behave in a manner that is in fact "Professional".  I understand that everyone has a different idea of what constitutes morality/professionalism...some might even argue that bodybuilding in and off itself is the antithesis of the aforementioned terms.   We could start with some broad generalities 
- recreational drug use or abuse = suspension or fine
- drug trafficking = suspension
- Spouse abuse = fine
- Pornography of anykind = fine or suspension
- G4P = suspension or fine
- Etc.
Holding "athletes"/representatives accountable for their actions by directly impacting their ability to compete or make money in the sport seems like a relatively easy solution to problems that are driving bodybuilding into an early grave.  I have only seen fines/suspensions imposed in recent years when it comes to contract violations or participating in a competitive federation's event in some capacity. 

I dont know....call me crazy...just seems to make sense to me.

Thoughts?

JD

I've made the same argument and the same suggestions for fines and suspensions on here for along time over and over again..........Bob just makes excuses for the lack of enforcment, without coming rightout and saying it, all of the above you mentioned is ok, but if compete in another organization, you get suspended.........right Lee?

[Matt C]

Stan McQuay seems to be for the fitness industry what Brad Pitt is to the move industry.  Despite there being thousands of other men equally as good looking, they both get all the press for some reason.

[onlyme]

What aren't you getting here?

Amateur rules are different than professional rules...

And no, they aren't the same federation...no different than a AAA baseball club being the same as a Major league team, even though they are a farmclub for that team...

get it now?

Bad analogy.  A Triple A ball club is also professional.  You can't play Triple A ball and then go to college and play there.  The rules are the same for the farm clubs as for the Majors.  And playing Triple A ball can easily make you allot of money. 

[JMentis]

I cant explain it any more simple for you...you're wrong.

There is IFBB Pro and IFBB amateur (which encompasses Europe and everything but the U.S.)

The NPC is a totally seperate entity, it's only under the IFBB as an affiliate...

The old amateur IFBB division in Europe is now EFBB.

[christinafitness]

The NPC might be fairly independent, but it represents the IFBB amateurs in the US.
While the IFBB president is also the president of the EFBB, the president of the NPC is also the president of the IFBB Pro League.

[HowieW]

Bad analogy.  A Triple A ball club is also professional.  You can't play Triple A ball and then go to college and play there.  The rules are the same for the farm clubs as for the Majors.  And playing Triple A ball can easily make you allot of money. 

Not exactly, and not to nitpick , but I know of a handful of guys that played minor league baseball and then played college football. A former QB for Florida state did that I believe. I also know that the NPC/IFBB allowed figure/fitness girls to return to the NPC ranks to earn a pro card after winning $$ in the FAP organization

[Chick]

Bad analogy.  A Triple A ball club is also professional.  You can't play Triple A ball and then go to college and play there.  The rules are the same for the farm clubs as for the Majors.  And playing Triple A ball can easily make you allot of money. 

Sorry, Keith...

The IDEA was that they are owned by different people, one is a MINOR league and one is MAJOR league and one is used as a feeder (farm club) to the other...

[Chick]

The NPC might be fairly independent, but it represents the IFBB amateurs in the US.
While the IFBB president is also the president of the EFBB, the president of the NPC is also the president of the IFBB Pro League.

Great.....WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

[knny187]

I think Christinafitness better use the "google" search & get some clear facts before you start babbling nonsense


you're looking like an idiot

[timfogarty]

Great.....WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

I think the point is that the IFBB Rule Book applies to both amateur and professional bodybuilding.  The webpage states "Rules and Regulations governing the sport disciplines of Men's and Women's Bodybuilding, Men's and Women's Fitness, Women's Body Fitness and Men's Classic Bodybuilding".   Since there is no pro classic bodybuilding, the rule book is meant to cover the amateur branch of the IFBB.

The IFBB claims to be a federation.  A federation is "an organization or group within which smaller divisions have some degree of internal autonomy".   The smaller divisions are the country organization.  In the US, that is the NPC.

The NPC is the US branch of the IFBB, just as much as the CBBF is Canada's and UKBBF is Britain's.   So if the IFBB's rule book applies to athletes, judges and officials in the IFBB affiliate in Bahrain, it applies to the people in the NPC.