Steroids and death.

[Camel Jockey]

The diuretics involved in getting into contest shape must also contribute!

[Van_Bilderass]

Then he would of had to be the biggest fuckin aids patient dead or alive there fuckface.  You really don't know shit do you.  Don't believe everything you read..

INTERVIEW WITH DEEP INJECTION


THE FOLLOWING IS AN ANONYMOUS INTERVIEW WITH A MAN WHO WILL GO BY THE NAME OF DEEP INJECTION.   NOW DEEP INJECTION HAS BEEN IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BODYBUILDING SCENE SINCE 1979 AND HE HAS SEEN IT ALL IN TERMS OF THE FUCKED UP THINGS THAT BODYBUILDERS DO IN THEIR QUEST TO LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.

DEEP INJECTION STARTED OUT IN THE LATE 70'S TRAINING WITH PEOPLE SUCH AS ARTHUR JONES, CASEY VIATOR, MIKE MENTZER, RAY MENTZER, AND OTHER TOP BODYBUILDERS OF THAT TIME.  ON A SIDE NOTE HE HAS TOLD ME THAT MIKE MENTZER IN THE LATE 70'S AND EARLY 80'S WAS AT THE PINNACLE IN TERMS OF TRAINING KNOWLEDGE AND THAT HIS ORIGINAL THEORIES HELPED HIM PUT ON OVER 30 POUNDS OF LEAN MUSCLE BEFORE EVER TOUCHING ANY STEROIDS.  INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH HE HAS TOLD ME ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THAT MIKE MENTZER USED LESS GEAR THAN YOUR AVERAGE STATE LEVEL FITNESS MODEL AND THAT HAD MENTZER DONE BACK THEN WHAT IS DONE TODAY IN TERMS OF PHARMACOLOGY, THE WORLD OF BODYBUILDING WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THE SAME.  MENTZER HIMSELF STATES THAT WHILE THAT MAY BE TRUE, THE BODYBUILDING WORLD HAS NEVER SCENE A BETTER OR  MORE GENETICALLY GIFTED BODYBUILDER THAN THE GREAT SERGIO OLIVIA AND IF HE WERE IN HIS PRIME TODAY HE WOULD BE A SYMMETRICAL 280LB. FREAK OF NATURE THAT WOULD MAKE NASSER LOOK SMALL

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS INTERVIEW IS ABOUT.  DEEP INJECTION WAS ASKED SPECIFICALLY TO BLOW THE ROOF OFF THE REALITY OF THE UNDERWORLD OF BODYBUILDING AND THE RUMORS THAT EXIST IN IT.  WHEN I PRESSED PLAY ON THE TAPE RECORDED, HE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE GREATEST LIES EVER FED TO (AND BELIEVED BY) THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.  THE DEATH OF LYLE ALZADO.

*NOTE THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY "DEEP INJECTION" ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE VIEWS OF NUCLEAR NUTRITION.  WE CAN NEITHER CONFIRM NOR DENY THE STATEMENTS HE MAKES IN THIS INTERVIEW.  WE ARE SIMPLY PROVIDING A FORUM FOR EXPRESSION.

 

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO LYLE ALZADO?   DID HE REALLY DIE OF MASSIVE GH AND STEROID ABUSE AS HE TOLD EVERYONE BEFORE HIS DEATH?

IN ALL HONESTY, I AM STILL FASCINATED THAT IN TODAY'S TABLOID VULTURISTIC WORLD, IN WHICH DIRT AND THE TRUTH IS DUG UP ABOUT EVERYONE RIGHT DOWN TO WHEN THE FIRST TIME A GUY JERKED OFF, THAT NOBODY DISPUTED ALZADO'S CLAIMS AND TOOK A PEEK INTO HIS VERY WELL KNOWN (AT LEAST IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BODYBUILDING AREA) PERSONAL LIFE.  THE COLD HARD FACTS ARE THAT ALZADO SWUNG BOTH WAYS AND HAD A PENCHANT FOR YOUNG HOMOSEXUALS.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!!    ALZADO A HOMOSEXUAL?

OK, YOU'RE ORIGINALLY FROM NEW YORK SO IT MIGHT BE NEWS TO YOU, BUT AROUND THESE PARTS IT WAS QUITE COMMON KNOWLEDGE.  HOW IN THE FUCK HE WAS ABLE TO KEEP IT FROM THE MEDIA IS ANYONE'S GUESS.  THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS THAT AL DAVIS (OWNER OF THE RAIDERS WHO WAS VERY CLOSE TO LYLE) MADE SURE THE TRUTH WAS BURIED AND NEVER SURFACED.  THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO JOHN MATUSAK.   HE WAS ALSO KNOWN TO DABBLE IN SINS OF THE FLESH WITH OTHER MEN AND YET WHEN HE DIED NOBODY SAID ANYTHING.  ANYWAY BACK TO ALZADO.  I REMEMBER WATCHING LARRY KING LIVE AND SEEING LYLE ON T.V. WITH A RAG ON HIS HEAD TO COVER HIS LACK OF HAIR, TELLING EVERYONE THAT GROWTH HORMONE AND STEROIDS KILLED HIS IMMUNE SYSTEM.  AT THAT POINT THE RED LIGHT WENT OFF IN MY HEAD.  I SAID TO MYSELF WAIT A MINUTE.   GROWTH HORMONE AND STEROIDS ARE GIVEN TO PEOPLE WITH BLOWN OR DAMAGED IMMUNE SYSTEMS TO HELP KEEP THEM STRONG SO THEY CAN FIGHT DISEASE AND INFECTION.  SO IF ANYTHING, LYLE'S USE OF ANABOLICS AND GH WOULD HAVE HELPED HIS DAMAGED IMMUNE SYSTEM.   THEY CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE HURT IT.  THEN HE WENT ON TO EXPLAIN THAT HE HAD CANCER OF THE BRAIN.  NOT A BRAIN TUMOR MIND YOU, BUT ACTUAL CANCER OF THE BRAIN.   THIS IS WHAT RESULTS FROM CARPI-SARCOMA WHEN YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS SHOT WHICH AS ANYONE WITH EVEN SLIGHT MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE KNOWS CAN ONLY BE CAUSE FROM HAVING AIDS.

YOU MEAN HE FUCKING DIED OF AIDS!!

YES, BUT LET ME GET BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.  ANYWAY, AFTER SEEING THE INTERVIEW ON LARRY KING I KNEW SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT SO I VISITED A FRIEND OF MINE (A LEGEND IN THE SPORT OF BODYBUILDING THAT WAS A TOP MR. UNIVERSE WINNER AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN MR. OLYMPIA HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR A CERTAIN FAMOUS COMPETITOR FIXING THE CONTEST)  I TOLD HIM THAT I THOUGHT LYLE HAD AIDS AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID: "OH, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT LYLE WAS BI-SEXUAL?"

AND WHAT DID YOU SAY?

I WAS FUCKING SHOCKED.  I SAID "OF COURSE I DID NOT KNOW LYLE WAS BI-SEXUAL, ARE YOU SERIOUS??  NEXT YOUR GONNA TELL ME THAT CLINT EASTWOOD IS BI-SEXUAL"  ANYWAY, MY FRIEND WENT ON TO TELL ME THAT LYLE HAD A GAY CLUB IN HOLLYWOOD THAT HE OWNED AND THAT ONE OF HIS CLIENTS WAS LYLE'S LOVER.  MUCH THE SAME WAY THE WHOLE HOLLYWOOD COMMUNITY KNEW THAT ROCK HUDSON WAS GAY BUT KEPT IT SECRET, IT WAS KNOWN IN THE WEST HOLLYWOOD COMMUNITY THAT LYLE LIKED BOYS.   WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW HOW LYLE FOUND OUT HE KNEW HE HAD AIDS?

LAY IT ON ME.

WHEN HE WAS MAKING HIS COMEBACK TO THE RAIDERS IN 1989-90 (WHICH IF YOU REMEMBER WAS BEING CHRONICLED BY MARIA SCHRIVER AND NBC NEWS) IT WAS REQUIRED THAT HE TAKE A MANDATORY AIDS TEST BEFORE HE COULD JOIN THE TEAM AND GUESS WHAT?  HE HAD AIDS!  SO HE QUIETLY ENDED HIS COMEBACK ATTEMPT.

THIS IS AMAZING, BUT THE THING THAT PUZZLES ME IS WHY HE WOULD TURN AROUND AND SAY IT WAS STEROIDS THAT WERE KILLING HIM.   EVEN GOING SO FAR AS TO CAMPAIGN AGAINST THEIR USE.  CHRIST HIM AND BEN JOHNSON ARE THE WHOLE FUCKING REASON STEROIDS BECAME ILLEGAL TO POSSES BACK IN 1990!

WELL, AFTER HE STOPPED HIS COMEBACK AND HE FOUND OUT HE HAD AIDS, RUMORS WERE STARTING TO CIRCULATE ABOUT HIS LIFESTYLE AND PAST.   SO TO SAVE FACE HE DECIDED TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE AND BLAME STEROIDS AND GH.   AND YES, JUST LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, LYLE ALZADO'S LYING AND THE WHOLE BEN JOHNSON AFFAIR SET THE USE OF PRESCRIPTION STEROIDS BACK 10 YEARS AND PROMPTED CONGRESS TO MAKE THEM ILLEGAL TO EVEN POSSES.  JUST NOW WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE A MORE REALISTIC APPROACH AND ATTITUDE TOWARD STEROIDS.  AND DO YOU KNOW WHY?  BECAUSE OF THE AIDS POPULATION.  THAT'S RIGHT, THE VERY DRUGS THAT ALZADO CLAIMED KILLED HIM ARE USED TODAY TO ALLOW PEOPLE WITH FULL BLOWN AIDS TO LIVE A TOTALLY FUCKING NORMAL AND HEALTHY EXISTENCE.  TAKE A LOOK AT MAGIC JOHNSON.

YOU KNOW WHAT, TO ME THAT IS FUCKING DESPICABLE ON ALZADO'S PART IF THIS IS TRUE.  JUST BECAUSE HE COULDN'T DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT HE LIKED MEN MEANT THAT HE HAD MAKE STEROIDS AND GH THE SCAPEGOAT.  AND ALL THAT DID WAS CAUSE THOUSANDS OF AIDS PATIENCE WHO COULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM THEIR USE AND EVEN SAVED THEIR LIVES TO DIE.  BECAUSE WITH THE PASSING OF THAT LAW BACK IN 1990, STEROIDS WERE NOT EVEN REMOTELY CONSIDERED AS WEAPONS IN THE WAR ON AIDS AND DOCTORS WERE AFRAID TO PRESCRIBE THEM BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEGATIVE PRESS.

THIS IS TRUE.  HE WAS A VERY CONFLICTED PERSON.  ALL OF HIS EX-WIVES WENT ON TO STATE THAT HE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM WHEN THEY WERE TOGETHER  WHICH TO ME SHOWS THAT HE COULD NOT DEAL WITH HIS OWN SEXUALITY SO HE LASHED OUT IN VIOLENT WAYS.  KINDA SAD.

I'M STILL BLOWN AWAY.  I JUST CAN'T PICTURE HIM SCREWING ANOTHER MAN.  HE WAS SUCH A TOUGH SON OF BITCH.  YOU KNOW HE WAS FROM LONG ISLAND AS WELL, AND MY FATHER (WHO WAS A POLICE CHIEF) ARRESTED LYLE AND HIS FATHER WHEN LYLE WAS A KID.  HE WAS BASICALLY KNOWN AS A TROUBLE-MAKING STREET FIGHTER.  DEFINITELY NOT SOMEONE YOU WOULD WANT TO CALL A "FAG".

YOU AIN'T KIDDING.  WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR A FUNNY STORY ABOUT LYLE AND THE BARBARIAN BROTHERS.

SURE!

WELL THE BARBARIAN BROTHERS WERE RENTING AN APARTMENT THAT LYLE OWNED.  ANYWAY, ONE DAY LYLE COMES INTO GOLD'S LOOKING TO SPEAK WITH THE BARBARIAN BROTHERS (WHO AT THE TIME WERE AT THE PEAK OF THEIR POPULARITY AND ABOUT 250LBS. EACH).  APPARENTLY THE BARBARIANS WERE NOT KEEPING THE APARTMENT IN VERY GOOD CONDITION AND LIKE ANY LANDLORD, LYLE WAS PISSED.  HE TOLD THEM THAT THEY HAD BETTER CLEAN THE FUCKING PLACE UP AND TREAT IT WITH RESPECT OR THERE WOULD BE PROBLEMS.  THE TWO KNUCKLE-HEADED BARBARIANS (APPARENTLY BELIEVING THEIR OWN HYPE..OR THEY JUST DRANK TOO MUCH OF THEIR OWN BATH WATER) TELL LYLE TO FUCK OFF AND ASK HE WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT.  LYLE TELLS THE TWO OF THE TO GET OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND CHALLENGES THEM TO A FIGHT.  THE BROTHERS FIGURE THE TWO OF THEM CAN KICK THE SHIT OUT OF LYLE SO THEY OBLIGED HIM.  LONG STORY SHORT, I PULL UP TO GOLD'S 2 MINUTES AFTER THE FIGHT WAS OVER TO WITNESS ONE BARBARIAN BROTHER HOLDING HIS BALLS ON THE GROUND AND THE OTHER ONE KNOCKED OUT COLD.  THE FIGHT (IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT) LASTED A FUCKING MINUTE.  LYLE KICKED THE SHIT OUT OF THE TWO OF THEM LIKE HE WAS DRINKING A CUP OF TEA.....NO EFFORT!

THAT IS PRETTY FUNNY......BUT JUDGING BY THE FACT THAT THOSE TWO IDIOT'S ARE STILL DRESSING LIKE IT'S 1982 AND ARE TOTALLY IN LOVE WITH THEMSELVES...HAIR PLUGS, WIGS AND ALL.....I'M SURE THEY DESERVED IT.
O.K. where were we....Ah yes, I believe we were going to talk about the infamous "Play Gay For Pay" ritual that exists in the bodybuilding world.....what are your thoughts?

Well let's talk about Lacy Rich...

Who is that?

Lacy Rich, I first heard of and actually met back in 1979 when I came up to see Ray and Mike Mentzer at the old Gold's Gym on 2nd street in Santa Monica, I think there's a McDonald's there now.   Anyway, I went into the gym and Ray introduced me to this odd looking pudgy guy named Lacy Rich.

And what were your thoughts?

Well I found it odd that a guy looking like that was in Gold's at that time....It was obvious he did not train, but he loved to hang around the bodybuilders and it did not take a rocket scientist to figure out that he was gay.  Anyway he and Mike had a loose friendship because they lived in the same apartment building in West Hollywood--No Mentzer is not gay--and the next time I saw Lacy was when I went to see Mike in West Hollywood.  He took me downstairs to Lacy's apartment and we went inside.

You're making me a little worried...If you start telling me that you and Mentzer took turns ass fucking this guy I'm gonna puke!

Fuck you man...you know I don't play that way....Mike was friendly with him and he thought I would get a kick out of his apartment.

What was so special about his apartment?

Well when we walked inside, all over the walls, were pictures of top amateur and professional bodybuilders in rather compromising positions shall we say.

Isn't that lovely...care to name any names?

Well, one of the ones that Lacy claimed to have pictures of was Arnold.

Arnold?

Yeah, now again he never showed it to me because he said he had that locked up in a vault...but a number of people confirmed that the picture did, in fact, exist....

Do I want to know what the picture depicted?

It was allegedly a picture of Arnold, not performing but shall we say being performed on by Lacy....

Excuse me, I have to go puke now..

There that's better.....I cannot believe that.....although there have been rumors about him for a number of years....remember that book by Wendy Leigh on Arnold--The Unauthorized Biography---which amazingly enough you cannot locate or get anywhere?

Well Arnold is one powerful mother fucker.....

What else did Lacy claim to have.....

Well he claimed to have pictures of Ben Weider dressed in Drag, although I never saw them so who knows if they are real...But you have to understand that Lacy Rich was kinda like J. Edgar Hoover...he had files kept on everyone so he could always get his way.

So basically this guy hung around the gym's looking for weak minded bodybuilders who were down on their luck and would proposition them?

I don't know if he hung around the gym's so much as bodybuilders found out about him and came to him....His standard rate for him to be able to give you a blow-job was $1000.00 And the reason I know this is because he asked me if he could pay me to suck my dick.

So what did you buy with the money.....(Laughing)

Fuck you man (laughing as well)...seriously though, I would see a lot of the top amateurs and even pros going into this guys apartment whenever I would stop by to see Mike.

Such as?

Such as Valenti, and other amateurs of that time.  Now I am not saying that I know what went on...all I know is I've seen them go into his apartment and come out an hour later....maybe they were just having coffee.....who knows, but I know what I believe was going on.  Lacy was sponsoring a lot of these guys...he had 3 apartments in the building where Mike lived.   One of them Lacy lived in, one he worked out of and one that always had a fresh young handsome bodybuilder living in.

Sounds like the shit that still goes on today.

It goes on today and it will continue to go on until the money in the sport reaches a level where really high level athletes are choosing bodybuilding as their sport of choice....which I don't ever see happening.  Not in this lifetime.

You can say that again.....


 

[gatomjp]

The link between steroids and health problems has not been established. Watch this expose. According to this there is no formal scientific study that shows any causal link between steriod use and any health problems. Because that is not sensationalistic news, it gets buried.

Further, when one person gets sick a doctor may GUESS at the cause, but they rarely KNOW, especially with something as mysterious as a brain tumor. It takes a large sample of many, many people with the same ailment and medical/drug history to prove something like "steroids give you brain tumors". A single case is not enough. The doctor that said Lyle died from steriods was either guessing or had his own agenda and prejudices.

[eastcoastbbman]

The link between steroids and health problems has not been established. Watch this expose. According to this there is no formal scientific study that shows any causal link between steriod use and any health problems. Because that is not sensationalistic news, it gets buried.

Further, when one person gets sick a doctor may GUESS at the cause, but they rarely KNOW, especially with something as mysterious as a brain tumor. It takes a large sample of many, many people with the same ailment and medical/drug history to prove something like "steroids give you brain tumors". A single case is not enough. The doctor that said Lyle died from steriods was either guessing or had his own agenda and prejudices.

EPIC MELTDOWN!!

[Fatpanda]

funny a guy called deep injection talking about gay bb's.

also strange is the fact that article was done by nuclear nutrition and was owned by trevor smith - who also reportedly died of steroid abuse.

anyone know him? or who this deep injection is?

oh and i dont believe arnold did that unspeakable act

[gatomjp]

EPIC MELTDOWN!!

LOLLLLL!!! You bastard!

[Disgusted]

STEROIDS KILL!  All of you guys will be sorry one day for partaking in the way of the devil and using these deadly steroids. Let's let Lyle's death be a reminder of how bad steroids are. Children as young as 5 years old are taking steroids to look more buff. 

[gordiano]

 

[Ronnie Rep]

Lyle Alzado also was trying to sue the NFL claiming they were aware of the Steroid  and GH use in the NFL. That is where he and his attorney got the steroids and GH causing cancer. I also read the Deep Injection interview on Nuclear Nutrition.com.