The Jones Machine

[Rearden Metal]

There's one in Bev's gym in NY. I used it when recovering from a quad injury, it was a really good machine.

[Stark]

meltdown. 

Ask Vince, he'll fix it.

hahah

[mar10s]

Star Trac sells a commercial version of that piece called the "Max Rack".  One of the posters above was right, they go for right around 3K.

[Tokyo Joe]

no....very smooth actually....

Thanks, my concern was that the simultaneous horizontal and vertical movement would create a small amount of friction. At 3 times the price of a normal smith machine it would want to be smooth

[onlyme]

I've always liked this pulldown machine.

[Vince B]

The Jones machine would have linear bearing in both directions so friction would be close to zero if it is built properly. This machine is literally a barbell with safety hooks. We thought about making a machine like this but it didn't seem viable. The user has to be careful when standing up while squatting because if you lose control you could get into trouble. I think the Smith machine that is angled about 10 degrees solves most of the problems re pathways.

[Tapeworm]

Might build a Jones Machine.

[Tokyo Joe]

Doesn't Lee Priest have a machine that uses some kind of sensor when you let go of the bar? Saw it in one of the BFTOs

[crownshep]

IN reality, that is great for many things.  We did have one of those in Gold's Gym Helsinki, made by Finns gym equipment label Kraftwerk. That machine is great for squat, bench press, incline press, shrugs, you name it. Try to imagine; it helps you to keep weight's in balance, but it doesn't force you to adopt the path of rails of the machine. Instead of that, you have just about similar convenient path of movement like you would have in free weights, but you have better balance, which means that you can concentrate more easily for lifting, and you benefit more for your workout. This was one of the best equipment in that gym with that "attitude press" made by same label. That was one high quality press, if there is one; it has control wheel for adjusting leg- and back rest, frame which weight is half a ton, so it is very firm, and sledge which weight is 280kg/560lb without any plates. There is 2 bar for plates on each side, and one on top of the sledge, so you can load two tons of plates on it, and it doesn't even squeal.  Not for children's or amateurs; best amount of steel what I saw on that machine was 1600lb + sledge, but I heard that someone has beat that. There was WSM competitors like Riku Kiri and Jouko Ahola training there, and just about all of the serious BB:ers in this silly country.

Is there a website for Kraftwerk gym equipment,i can`t seem to find anything about them.

[crownshep]

I've always liked this pulldown machine.

I love all the photos i`ve seen from Zuvers gym.

[BEAST 8692]

machines are for rehab and people trying to get out of hard work.

if you want to be a competitive bber, the money would be better spent on your drug stack.

[pumpster]

machines are for rehab and people trying to get out of hard work.

Ridiculous generalization.

Any piece of serious equipment obviously you have to go and try it somewhere first.

[DK II]

Ridiculous generalization.

Any piece of serious equipment obviously you have to go and try it somewhere first.

Like the "Biceps Supinator"!!

[BEAST 8692]

Like the "Biceps Supinator"!!

or 'bowflex'

[knny187]

The Jones machine would have linear bearing in both directions so friction would be close to zero if it is built properly. This machine is literally a barbell with safety hooks. We thought about making a machine like this but it didn't seem viable. The user has to be careful when standing up while squatting because if you lose control you could get into trouble. I think the Smith machine that is angled about 10 degrees solves most of the problems re pathways.

I've done squats on it....no problems.  Feels just like a normal freeweight bar except there's no horizontal stability needed.  One thing is important is to keep your heels flat through the entire range of movement.  Some guys have a tenders to get a little more on the balls of your toes...this could make you feel like your going to 'roll' forward on this machine.

I still don't believe it replaces free standing barbell squats.  But w/o a spotter....is about 90-95% close to the real thing.

[BEAST 8692]

I've done squats on it....no problems.  Feels just like a normal freeweight bar except there's no horizontal stability needed.  One thing is important is to keep your heels flat through the entire range of movement.  Some guys have a tenders to get a little more on the balls of your toes...this could make you feel like your going to 'roll' forward on this machine.

I still don't believe it replaces free standing barbell squats.  But w/o a spotter....is about 90-95% close to the real thing.

agreed, but if you haven't got a spotter and you've got 3k on you, money would be wiser spent on a power rack imo.

[SteelePegasus]

I have seen this before and have actually conside rd buying it, but I guess I have to start lifting first. 

not really, you could just watch it move by itself

[GreatFinn]

Is there a website for Kraftwerk gym equipment,i can`t seem to find anything about them.

In these days shop is called Hot Milling Oy @ www.hotmilling.fi/tuote.htm

[I ETA PI]

Free weights move in any direction too.  Great stuff. 

[DK II]

Free weights move in any direction too.  Great stuff. 

Vince Basile invented free weights when he invented Gravity. Before Vince, all things floated.

[BEAST 8692]

basile invented supination.

humans didn't know how to supinate their wrists until vince invented it.

unfortunately vince wasn't alive at the time in order to patent it.

however, i personally would like to thank the great mind that is basile for his forethought, for if it wasn't for vince i would not be able to masturbate with the ease and fluidity i can perform now.

thank you vince basile.

vince, can you please invent pronation so i can wipe my ass after taking a dump