Alleged Terror Plot Foiled at JFK Airport

[The Coach]

I've always found the Dow to be a fictitious and inflated sense of the economy.

Funny, investers including me find it a great indicator, as a matter of fact, so does the rest of the world.

[tu_holmes]

why didnt they try to blow up the airport or get on an airplane? because they knew they couldnt get past the security. before homeland they could have easily walked through one of the checkpoints.. homeland is in the business of prevention not apprehension like the fbi.

You're missing the point... The Dept. of Homeland transportation as an agency is unneeded... It should never have been created.

[tu_holmes]

Funny, investers including me find it a great indicator, as a matter of fact, so does the rest of the world.

Not really... It's good for investors because investors use the numbers... Normal people really don't care too much what the Dow does.

Seriously, if you count for inflation, how does is the Dow so damn high? It's just not sensible.

[headhuntersix]

Bush and Carter are neck in neck for worst..if we never get attacked again and our economy stays strong...Bush won't even be mentioned as the worst next to Carter, who I believ is easily the worst we have ever had.

[tu_holmes]

Bush and Carter are neck in neck for worst..if we never get attacked again and our economy stays strong...Bush won't even be mentioned as the worst next to Carter, who I believ is easily the worst we have ever had.

What did Carter do that was bad? I'm still trying to figure that one out... Are we talking about the problems with Gasoline? Is that all?

[Slapper]

Yeah....I heard it was a Catholic , a Jew and a Lutheren..oh wait..no?  it was couple of Muslims? ...no way!!! not the religion of peace, I refuse to believe a bunch of wothless pieces of shit wanted to blow up an airport. 

Right, and it's easier to believe that they hate us because they hate democracy than the fact that they hate us because we are there KILLING them.

[kh300]

You're missing the point... The Dept. of Homeland transportation as an agency is unneeded... It should never have been created.

im not sure what homeland transpertation is.. do you mean the transportation security admin? the tsa was created because airports are still the #1 target for terrorists. look what happend to our economy in the days after 911 -air transportation is something that must be heavily guarded..

the whole point of homeland is to combine all of the agencies -tsa,border patroll, immigration,fbi anti terror, coast guard,  local pd,nsa.....so homeland isn't really a separate agency like the fbi.. it just combines all of these agencies under one rule.. it provides many things that were not done before, and they all run much more effectively. the biggest problem before 911 is that none of the agencies provided info to each other, now all of them must report to homeland and that is spread throughout the other agencies.

so homeland security is "a waste of money" because these agencys already existed, they are just now under one rule
 

[tu_holmes]

im not sure what homeland transpertation is.. do you mean the transportation security admin? the tsa was created because airports are still the #1 target for terrorists. look what happend to our economy in the days after 911 -air transportation is something that must be heavily guarded..

the whole point of homeland is to combine all of the agencies -tsa,border patroll, immigration,fbi anti terror, coast guard,  local pd,nsa.....so homeland isn't really a separate agency like the fbi.. it just combines all of these agencies under one rule.. it provides many things that were not done before, and they all run much more effectively. the biggest problem before 911 is that none of the agencies provided info to each other, now all of them must report to homeland and that is spread throughout the other agencies.

so homeland security is "a waste of money" because these agencys already existed, they are just now under one rule
 

As an agency, yes... You could have put them under I dunno.. the Dept. of Defense... What else is security if it's not "Defense".

Isn't that what defense is all about?

And of course I meant the Dept of Homeland Security being a waste... Many thoughts going on at once.

[headhuntersix]

What did Carter do that was bad? I'm still trying to figure that one out... Are we talking about the problems with Gasoline? Is that all?

I"m looking for a site I found that hasa run down of stupid to dangerous stuff that he did..it breaks each thing down...its easily on pare with Bush...Sold out Iran/allowed the hostage crisis/allowed Russian invasion of Afghanistan/fuel crisis/economy..the list is endless but the site has the breakdown and a better indepth answer to ur question..i'll try and find it.

[w8tlftr]

Let's not get carried away here... Carter wasn't a bad president at all.

Herbert Hoover... terrible. Grant... Bad... Bush... just the worst... he really is.

How about this... If he's not the worst, then tell me some of the good things he's done... I'd like to hear them, because I must keep missing them.

I disagree. Look at his record. The guy was as bad as it gets.

Inflation, high taxes, economy in the toilet, gas lines, Iran hostage crisis, the list goes on and on.

Bush may be bad but he's no where as bad as the socialist peanut.

[tu_holmes]

I disagree. Look at his record. The guy was as bad as it gets.

Inflation, high taxes, economy in the toilet, gas lines, Iran hostage crisis, the list goes on and on.

Bush may be bad but he's no where as bad as the socialist peanut.

Hahaha... What's funny is that really, what you described is this administration to a T!

Let's not forget that Carter started the push for supply side economics, which is something that's usually, and erroneously accredited to Reagan.

[w8tlftr]

Hahaha... What's funny is that really, what you described is this administration to a T!

Let's not forget that Carter started the push for supply side economics, which is something that's usually, and erroneously accredited to Reagan.

We have high taxes, a hostage crisis, out of control inflation, gas lines, and a bad economy under the present administration?

Please get your facts straight.

Taxes are lower (they should be even lower!) and tax revenue is up, unemployment is the lowest it has ever been, and the economy is booming.

I have yet to come across a gas line in the Baltimore/Washington Metro area.

While we are at war we do not have another "Iran hostage crisis" on our hands.

Don't get me wrong, I think Bush is doing a terrible job with the handling of the war and the Bush-Kennedy Illegal Alien Amnesty plan but he's not as bad as the Socialist Peanut.

So are Americans better off now than they were under Carter? Fvck yes.

Hell, I'm even better off now than I was under the Clinton administration.

[militarymuscle69]

Not really... It's good for investors because investors use the numbers... Normal people really don't care too much what the Dow does.

Seriously, if you count for inflation, how does is the Dow so damn high? It's just not sensible.

I agree...although I feel like the economy is fairly good just from looking around me....I admit I don't know shit about stocks (why I am still middle class) but I don't look at thing like "the dow closed over 12000 for the first time" as anything more than with time it is bound to do so.

[Decker]

Again, what would Gore or Kerry done if they would have been elected instead of Bush after 9/11? And just why is he the worst?

Al Gore would not have wasted resources invading Iraq.  Read his 2002 speech about the wisdom of invading Iraq.  http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html

...President Bush is telling us that the most urgent requirement of the moment – right now – is not to redouble our efforts against Al Qaeda, not to stabilize the nation of Afghanistan after driving his host government from power, but instead to shift our focus and concentrate on immediately launching a new war against Saddam Hussein. And he is proclaiming a new, uniquely American right to pre-emptively attack whomsoever he may deem represents a potential future threat. ...

By shifting from his early focus after September 11th on war against terrorism to war against Iraq, the President has manifestly disposed of the sympathy, good will and solidarity compiled by America and transformed it into a sense of deep misgiving and even hostility. In just one year, the President has somehow squandered the international outpouring of sympathy, goodwill and solidarity that followed the attacks of September 11th and converted it into anger and apprehension aimed much more at the United States than at the terrorist network – much as we manage to squander in one year’s time the largest budget surpluses in history and convert them into massive fiscal deficits. He has compounded this by asserting a new doctrine – of preemption.
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Now tell me, who was closer to the truth:  Al Gore or George "Mission Accomplished, Greeted w/ roses as liberators" Bush?

[Decker]

I disagree. Look at his record. The guy was as bad as it gets.

Inflation, high taxes, economy in the toilet, gas lines, Iran hostage crisis, the list goes on and on.

Bush may be bad but he's no where as bad as the socialist peanut.

You can't blame Carter for the inflation that started in '65 and grew until Carter's term.  Fed. Res. Chmn. Paul Volcker put the country through an intentional recession until the early 1980s when inflation was reigned in and then slashed interest rates (which were as high as 20%) to flood the economy w/ money.

Other than the power of appointment re the federal reserve, a president generally has little to do with the economic cycle.

Many of Carter's deregulatory efforts were continued and accelerated by Reagan:  railroads, trucking, oil...Carter cut capital gains from 39% to 28%.

So, in short, Carter's not to blame for the stagflation and Reagan is not responsible for the economic turnaround.

[w8tlftr]

You can't blame Carter for the inflation that started in '65 and grew until Carter's term.  Fed. Res. Chmn. Paul Volcker put the country through an intentional recession until the early 1980s when inflation was reigned in and then slashed interest rates (which were as high as 20%) to flood the economy w/ money.

Other than the power of appointment re the federal reserve, a president generally has little to do with the economic cycle.

Many of Carter's deregulatory efforts were continued and accelerated by Reagan:  railroads, trucking, oil...Carter cut capital gains from 39% to 28%.

So, in short, Carter's not to blame for the stagflation and Reagan is not responsible for the economic turnaround.

I respectfully disagree.

From everything I've read Carter messed up. He was given a bad situation and made it worse.

Now being a child of the 70s I do recall a lot of the problems of that era and how things improved under Reagan's leadership.

[Decker]

I respectfully disagree.

From everything I've read Carter messed up. He was given a bad situation and made it worse.

Now being a child of the 70s I do recall a lot of the problems of that era and how things improved under Reagan's leadership.

Tell me why you disagree with my assessment.  I lived through the '70s too.

Did you know that:

President Reagan raised taxes 7 times in his eight years in office.

President Reagan signed the largest tax increase in history. 

It's still the largest tax hike ever to this day.

[headhuntersix]

Based on the fact that the economy was in the tank during Carter's admin. Reagan completely revitalized the economy, setting the stage for the Clinton explosion. I am not saying Clinton did not do a good job as far as the economy but he had a solid foundation to work from. Reagan rebuilt the military, and avoided getting us involved in huge ground occupations, prefering to use proxies as well as overwhelming force when neccesary. He gave the USA a  sence of pride and he made it a point of his administration to work to bankrupt the Soviets and help end the cold war. There were issues with some of his econmoic policies....we had a short term recession before Clinton came into office as a result of Bush Sr's policies....and Reagan didn't exactly help the family farmer. He was still the right manfor the job, and exactly what we needed after the disaster that was Carter.

[Decker]

Based on the fact that the economy was in the tank during Carter's admin. Reagan completely revitalized the economy, setting the stage for the Clinton explosion. I am not saying Clinton did not do a good job as far as the economy but he had a solid foundation to work from. Reagan rebuilt the military, and avoided getting us involved in huge ground occupations, prefering to use proxies as well as overwhelming force when neccesary. He gave the USA a  sence of pride and he made it a point of his administration to work to bankrupt the Soviets and help end the cold war. There were issues with some of his econmoic policies....we had a short term recession before Clinton came into office as a result of Bush Sr's policies....and Reagan didn't exactly help the family farmer. He was still the right manfor the job, and exactly what we needed after the disaster that was Carter.

I took no pride in Reagan's support of Nicaraguan rightwing deathsquads.  Nor did I take pride in his selling of arms to Iran in Contravention of Congress.

How did Reagan completely revitalize the economy?

I thought that Paul Volcker was responsible for the economic upturn by inducing recession then slashing interest rates.

As for the fall of the Soviet Union, President Reagan was just continuing policies started and maintained by his predecessors.  He did nothing special in that respect.

If Reagan set the table for the Clinton economic expansion, did the policies of Gerald Ford set the table for the Reagan economic expansion?

[militarymuscle69]

I thought that Paul Volcker was responsible for the economic upturn by inducing recession then slashing interest rates.

This is why libs disgust me....Volker lowered interest rates so he gets the credit for the economy.....Today, Interest rates are raised and whose fault is it? exactly Bush....

[headhuntersix]

By rebuilding the military...reordering contrcats such as the B1..M1 etc etc....it bankrupted the Soviets who could not compete. I'm sorry u didn;t like the campaigns in central and south America...it kept the commies back..and cause the Soviets andf their allies to spend tons of money...proxy wars helped end the cold war and avoided a glow in the dark America and an occupied Western Europe. All in all things worked out well.

[Decker]

I thought that Paul Volcker was responsible for the economic upturn by inducing recession then slashing interest rates.

This is why libs disgust me....Volker lowered interest rates so he gets the credit for the economy.....Today, Interest rates are raised and whose fault is it? exactly Bush....

Who is faulting Bush besides you?

[Decker]

By rebuilding the military...reordering contrcats such as the B1..M1 etc etc....it bankrupted the Soviets who could not compete. I'm sorry u didn;t like the campaigns in central and south America...it kept the commies back..and cause the Soviets andf their allies to spend tons of money...proxy wars helped end the cold war and avoided a glow in the dark America and an occupied Western Europe. All in all things worked out well.

So Ronald Reagan spent the Soviets into submission?

Did you know that Russia still has its ICBMs pointed at us ready to go at a moment's notice?

What did Reagan win again?

[headhuntersix]

Yeah...so what..who are they gonna trade with if we are gone..I am not worried about Russia in that way. I'm worried about some scumbag witha backpack nuke killing u and your family..its not if its when bro.

[Decker]

Yeah...so what..who are they gonna trade with if we are gone..I am not worried about Russia in that way. I'm worried about some scumbag witha backpack nuke killing u and your family..its not if its when bro.

Agreed.  Terrorists are not apt to mutual assured destruction.

That's why we need a maximum police effort to keep these radicals down.