Colorado Pro Armin can't compete

[Luv2Hurt]

Bob, can't find the routine. Can you tell me who she goes on after?

Personally I would not want my 13 YEAR OLD!! daughter doing this kind of stuff on a stage in front of 7 guys. A couple of these pics I found where posted on herbiceps.com. Basically a perv site for schmoes. Maybe the routine in and of itself of the 10 year old was not that bad and I will try and veiw it, but I DO NOT think that the NPC should be promoting this kind of stuff. Just my opinion.

Man dude you have some issues with this.  Why dont you lock you daughter in a closet and keep her there till she is 29 or so?....then she will be safe.

They are participating in a sport they love....you are the one reading sex into it.  Frankly I didnt see it.  Something strange going on with you about this.

[Disgusted]

Man dude you have some issues with this.  Why dont you lock you daughter in a closet and keep her there till she is 29 or so?....then she will be safe.

They are participating in a sport they love....you are the one reading sex into it.  Frankly I didnt see it.  Something strange going on with you about this.

If you are going to present an argument then atleast do it in an intelligent manner. If I had a daughter she could do this sort of thing when she was 18 not 29.

I am against very young girls speading their legs infront of grown men and standing there to be judged while in a bikini. Now, please tell me how I am strange because of this? Maybe I should promote one?

[Luv2Hurt]

If you are going to present an argument then atleast do it in an intelligent manner. If I had a daughter she could do this sort of thing when she was 18 not 29.

I am against very young girls speading their legs infront of grown men and standing there to be judged while in a bikini. Now, please tell me how I am strange because of this? Maybe I should promote one?

Wow even getting defensive, Like I said you are the one reading SEX into the routine.  You are the one turning doing the moves into "spreading their legs".  Just kind of weird.  If someone does the splits or shows their athletic prowes in a move where the legs are spread apart does not all of a sudden make it some kind of sexual thing like you are "seeing" Get it genius?

[Disgusted]

Wow even getting defensive, Like I said you are the one reading SEX into the routine.  You are the one turning doing the moves into "spreading their legs".  Just kind of weird.  If someone does the splits or shows their athletic prowes in a move where the legs are spread apart does not all of a sudden make it some kind of sexual thing like you are "seeing" Get it genius?

The only thing that I am seeing is this girl sreading her legs in front of the camera and judges. This is fact. I don't have to "read" anyting into that or make it into a "sexual" thing. You keep mentioning sex, I never have. What are you "seeing" into this genius?    That fact that you keep mentioning sex makes me wonder. So, you make my point exactly.

[Stavios]

Man dude you have some issues with this.  Why dont you lock you daughter in a closet and keep her there till she is 29 or so?....then she will be safe.

If I have a daughter that's exactly what I'll do 

[Lift Studios]

The only thing that I am seeing is this girl sreading her legs in front of the camera and judges. This is fact. I don't have to "read" anyting into that or make it into a "sexual" thing. You keep mentioning sex, I never have. What are you "seeing" into this genius?    That fact that you keep mentioning sex makes me wonder. So, you make my point exactly.

Sorry Jim but you are making it out to be something it's not. She is a Jr. Fitness competitor doing moves that are part of fitness routines. What's wrong with a girl performing the mandatory NPC moves in her routines? Hell if she learns it now, she'll be able to do it that much better when she has the ability to compete on national and eventually pro level.

http://npcnewsonline.com/new/npcrules_fitness.htm

[sgt. d]

The only thing that I am seeing is this girl sreading her legs in front of the camera and judges. This is fact. I don't have to "read" anyting into that or make it into a "sexual" thing. You keep mentioning sex, I never have. What are you "seeing" into this genius?    That fact that you keep mentioning sex makes me wonder. So, you make my point exactly.

I see nothing wrong with it. The thing I have a problem with is your boy Tamali showing up on stage forcing us to look at his fat ass. Our eyes shouldnt be put in harms way like this. I demand this to stop right now.

[240 is Back]

We're all adults.  For some it's art/sport, for some it's a little weird.  I fall into the latter category.

However, one point...
This video is live - and we all know that there are often malfunctions and awkward moments in live productions.  If a suit had snagged, if she had bent the wrong way or anything like that... there would be video of this child out there, that would never go away.

That's a risk of huge vulnerability for a ten-year old

[corinth]

I see nothing wrong with it. The thing I have a problem with is your boy Tamali showing up on stage forcing us to look at his fat ass. Our eyes shouldnt be put in harms way like this. I demand this to stop right now.

Seconded.

[sgt. d]

We're all adults.  For some it's art/sport, for some it's a little weird.  I fall into the latter category.

However, one point...
This video is live - and we all know that there are often malfunctions and awkward moments in live productions.  If a suit had snagged, if she had bent the wrong way or anything like that... there would be video of this child out there, that would never go away.

That's a risk of huge vulnerability for this child.  

 

[Lift Studios]

We're all adults.  For some it's art/sport, for some it's a little weird.  I fall into the latter category.

However, one point...
This video is live - and we all know that there are often malfunctions and awkward moments in live productions.  If a suit had snagged, if she had bent the wrong way or anything like that... there would be video of this child out there, that would never go away.

That's a risk of huge vulnerability for this child. 

That's the move ridiculous argument you've presented this year.

What if, what if, what if. 

[Vince B]

Armin should have said he was about to go into the competitors' meeting but someone said nobody bothered going in!

Bob called Goatboy a pedophile! Calling him that was totally inappropriate. Goatboy was being the opposite of a pedophile by protesting  the 10 year old superkid's routine and the appropriateness of a kid doing handstands in a skirt, etc. She did the "hello boys" pose a couple of times, too.

If people say something is inappropriate it doesn't make sense to tell then they are wrong! The fact that Bob doesn't see the kid's routine as inappropriate for an adult bodybuilding audience doesn't make it right. He should acknowledge that some people might take exception to those kinds of performances. Several people question the appropriateness of letting kids do those kinds of routines. I understand their concern. If some people say kids shouldn't do 'suggestive' things in routines then that is what they believe. It matters not that many disagree and feel kids are innocent so what they do can't be suggestive. This is one argument Chick cannot possibly win. He shouldn't have touched it with a 10 foot pole. Instead, he accuses concerned parents as having a problem.

[bigdumbbell]

Perv, that is called a split, boys and girls do them.  You are looking at the flexibility move in a sexual manner.  Are you a sexual predator?  We should report you to the authorities to have them look at your computer you sick bastard.

let's scrutinize all the girl scouts on yours first

[240 is Back]

why the eye roll?  if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out.  you know that boobs do pop out sometimes.  You know that trunks ride into the rear end.  You know that suits snag and bodyparts show, even among pros who have competed for years.  And that's when they're just standing there.  When you toss in routines, people fall, suits take a beating, and more.

This isn't a *bash* on anyone.  It's a simple risk analysis.  You put an inexperienced child on a stage in a small suit to perform a variety of adult moves, with a live audience of tens of thousands of adults... it's a huge potential for disaster.   IMO they would have been best served to just not turn on the cameras for that part, or zoom way back so as to not catch any precise details.

[bigdumbbell]

throughout the history of western art voyeuristic pedophilia is a regular occurring subject and therefore not taboo...so, lets just be real and call it what it is:     sexual exploitation of children  or Why I'm So Hot

[texasbubba]

throughout the history of western art voyeuristic pedophilia is a regular occurring subject and therefore not taboo...so, lets just be real and call it what it is:     sexual exploitation of children  or Why I'm So Hot

So we should ban gynastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?

[timfogarty]

So we should ban gymnastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?

they're appropriately dressed

[Lift Studios]

why the eye roll?  if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out.  you know that boobs do pop out sometimes.  You know that trunks ride into the rear end.  You know that suits snag and bodyparts show, even among pros who have competed for years.  And that's when they're just standing there.  When you toss in routines, people fall, suits take a beating, and more.

This isn't a *bash* on anyone.  It's a simple risk analysis.  You put an inexperienced child on a stage in a small suit to perform a variety of adult moves, with a live audience of tens of thousands of adults... it's a huge potential for disaster.   IMO they would have been best served to just not turn on the cameras for that part, or zoom way back so as to not catch any precise details.

First - WTF? "if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out." I've attended more bodybuilding shows than you'll ever attend and yet to see this happen. Not sure what BBing shows you're watching, but let me know so I continue to avoid them.

"risk analysis".  Man you are really reaching. You'd have to have some hard facts to come up with any solid conclusion, wouldn't you? Given the number of competitors who compete each year and "mishaps" that happen is few and far between.

It's not a "huge potential for disaster"

[240 is Back]

So we should ban gynastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?

broadcasting live - it's dangerous.  

When you do a routine like that, you're vulnerable.  Yes, her routine was great, and yes, I am sure the crowd was impressed.  But today's news story coul have been "I can't believe the whole world saw that poor girl when _____ happened during her routine".

It's a risk.  live webcasts are risky with professional adults standing there.   When it's a 10year old doing adult moves to a risky song while tearing off pieces of her suit... Come on... you cannot deny there are a huge set of risks there.

[bigdumbbell]

So we should ban gynastics and PE class so pervs like yourself don't have dirty thoughts?

takes one to know one?  how revealing

[240 is Back]

First - WTF? "if you watch enough BBing shows, you know that male genitals do pop out." I've attended more bodybuilding shows than you'll ever attend and yet to see this happen. Not sure what BBing shows you're watching, but let me know so I continue to avoid them.

Vince goodrum admits his suit couldn't contain him and there are obviously pics that show this.  Billy guns' junk was hanging out in some pics last week.  You're telling me you've never seen a testicle reach out of that suit?  Come on isaac.  Shit happens when people put on small trunks/suits and move in front of crowds.  

"risk analysis".   Man you are really reaching. You'd have to have some hard facts to come up with any solid conclusion, wouldn't you? Given the number of competitors who compete each year and "mishaps" that happen is few and far between.

yes, risk analysis.  Yes, it's rare.  But *IF* it had happened, you'd have a hell of a grounds for a lawsuit, and some pretty sexy targets for a lawsuit.  You have to consider these things when making the choice to broadcast live television.  A million dollar lawsuit has come of far less irresponsibility.  It might not be right, but if that child had been mortified on the web today, would the parents be looking for a scapegoat to nail to teh wall in civil court?  You bet your Nikon.

It's not a "huge potential for disaster"

Okay.  That's your opinion.  

[Lift Studios]

broadcasting live - it's dangerous.   

When you do a routine like that, you're vulnerable.  Yes, her routine was great, and yes, I am sure the crowd was impressed.  But today's news story coul have been "I can't believe the whole world saw that poor girl when _____ happened during her routine".

It's a risk.  live webcasts are risky with professional adults standing there.   When it's a 10year old doing adult moves to a risky song while tearing off pieces of her suit... Come on... you cannot deny there are a huge set of risks there.

Dude you take a risk every time you get in your car and drive to the gym. You could come up with any number of "the news story could be" scenarios. Kai Greene stood on his head, he could have knocked himself out. The posedown could have gotten ugly and David Henry could have taken an elbow to the face.

no - I don't think there is a "huge set of risks" there.

[phyxsius]

Fuckin hell

Every individual is screwing other individuals. Never ending cycle.

I think the lazy bodybuilders, ifbb, shawn and bob should get out of this world..

at least am posting this in a space shuttle.

[Lift Studios]

Vince goodrum admits his suit couldn't contain him and there are obviously pics that show this.  Billy guns' junk was hanging out in some pics last week.  You're telling me you've never seen a testicle reach out of that suit?  Come on isaac.  Shit happens when people put on small trunks/suits and move in front of crowds. 

yes, risk analysis.  Yes, it's rare.  But *IF* it had happened, you'd have a hell of a grounds for a lawsuit, and some pretty sexy targets for a lawsuit.  You have to consider these things when making the choice to broadcast live television.  A million dollar lawsuit has come of far less irresponsibility.  It might not be right, but if that child had been mortified on the web today, would the parents be looking for a scapegoat to nail to teh wall in civil court?  You bet your Nikon.

Okay.  That's your opinion. 

Vince Goodrum is your frame of reference? Wow, you really are reaching now. No, I have NEVER seen a testicle pop out of a suit. Sorry to disappoint ya but something I haven't seen and not something on my list to hope to see before I die. How many times have you witnessed a nut fly out of it's sack? You stated if you watch enough BBing you're bound to see it happen. "LAWSUIT"? Holy shit dude you spent too much time out in the sun this weekend.

[240 is Back]

Dude you take a risk every time you get in your car and drive to the gym. You could come up with any number of "the news story could be" scenarios. Kai Greene stood on his head, he could have knocked himself out. The posedown could have gotten ugly and David Henry could have taken an elbow to the face.
no - I don't think there is a "huge set of risks" there.

Kai is an adult.  A professional bodybuilder and an experienced poser.  Kai knows the risks.  All the athletes onstage know the risks, and negative events are few and far between.

My point is that you have an inexperienced 10-year old performing a risky routine on a live broadcast.
This presents a set of risks which are GREATER than the odds of DH getting a bloody nose.

Risk of her having a vulnerable moment on live webcast, as well as risk to involved firms in webcasting these events.  It's great that the routine went well, and I agree the chances of anything going awry are rare.  however, if I own stock in VYo or BBing.com, and I am a decision maker, it might be easier for me to just avert camera, zoom out, or pan crowd during the routine.  Aside from any appropriate/offensive/content issues with the 12-year olds at home watching on BBing.com, I know that my firm has deep pockets and is just vulnerable from SO many angles with such a broadcast.

You have your opinion, and I have mine.  As a consultant, I'd be responsible to tell my board that we could get sued from nine directions, and a lot of things could go wrong on that stage, and a lot of people could be offended by the routine.  These risks outweigh the rewards IMO.