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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #125 on: April 17, 2009, 09:55:51 AM »
You should read all the posts after that.  

You'd make less of a fool of yourself.

I can see why you believe in CT's.  

And so far, you use mostly ad-hom to make your arguments.   



TBH I use another board for serious debate.
I will confess to not having read any of this, except your & my posts.
I am just not that stirred up this weekend.

This is a BB'ing forum & i just can't get into it here.
You know what they say about most BB'ers ??

Yeah !!
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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #126 on: April 17, 2009, 10:05:44 AM »
TBH I use another board for serious debate.
I will confess to not having read any of this, except your & my posts.
I am just not that stirred up this weekend.

This is a BB'ing forum & i just can't get into it here.
You know what they say about most BB'ers ??

Yeah !!

Another defection that's ad-hom based.

One day maybe you can man up and have an adult discussion.

I predict you'll run soon like you did on the other thread.

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #127 on: April 17, 2009, 10:16:35 AM »
You should read all the posts after that.  

You'd make less of a fool of yourself.

I can see why you believe in CT's.  

And so far, you use mostly ad-hom to make your arguments.   



I personally believe that LHO was the shooter, but his statement that " I am only a patsie" allways made me feel that something else bigger was going on.

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #128 on: April 17, 2009, 11:46:47 AM »
I personally believe that LHO was the shooter, but his statement that " I am only a patsie" allways made me feel that something else bigger was going on.

Looking at the organizations Oswald was involved in probably made him feel the same way.

Regardless, the JFK assassination seems to be the CT that more Americans believe than any other.

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #129 on: April 17, 2009, 01:28:46 PM »
Looking at the organizations Oswald was involved in probably made him feel the same way.

Regardless, the JFK assassination seems to be the CT that more Americans believe than any other.

You are an 'ADL' plant - 110%

An Ad-Hominem argument can only be called when your claims are not factual.
Do a Google, Newton.
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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #130 on: April 17, 2009, 02:02:09 PM »
You are an 'ADL' plant - 110%

An Ad-Hominem argument can only be called when your claims are not factual.
Do a Google, Newton.

What claims aren't factual?

No need to ad-hom, just show what's not factual. 

If you can.   

If you have the courage.

If you are not a coward. 

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2009, 11:37:49 AM »

you can't be serious?




dead serious

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #132 on: April 18, 2009, 11:49:21 AM »
I've seen the video...  I also saw how all the people changed the exact wording to indicate he 'slumped fwd.

Barring all other evidence of the day, you'd have to be an idiot not to see their quotes side by side and say "why did everyone change their wording suddenly from their statements earlier today"?

it's only when you realize from the film that, hey, his head flew backwards on video that you realize they were doing damage control.

Anyone who believes the real JFK story is a silly little person


I'm disappointed in you 240..you usually don't fall for this type of nonsense....when you are shot, your body jerks in many ways....no one's body reacts the same .....depends on angle of shot.....your own position , caliber of bullet, etc......Oswald acted alone....there has been no other evidence to contradict that.......if you look at ALL PRESIDENTIAL ASSASINATIONS OR ATTEMPTED ASSASINATIONS there has never been any type of government conspiracy...it was always a normal everyday citizen with a grievance who got an idea to kill the president and went about doing it.....from John Wilkes Booth who killed Lincoln.....to Oswald.......to Squeaky Fromm who tried to kill President Ford....to John Hinckley who tried to kill Reagan.....


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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #133 on: April 18, 2009, 11:53:25 AM »

I'm disappointed in you 240..you usually don't fall for this type of nonsense....when you are shot, your body jerks in many ways....no one's body reacts the same .....depends on angle of shot.....your own position , caliber of bullet, etc......Oswald acted alone....there has been no other evidence to contradict that.......if you look at ALL PRESIDENTIAL ASSASINATIONS OR ATTEMPTED ASSASINATIONS there has never been any type of government conspiracy...it was always a normal everyday citizen with a grievance who got an idea to kill the president and went about doing it.....from John Wilkes Booth who killed Lincoln.....to Oswald.......to Squeaky Fromm who tried to kill President Ford....to John Hinckley who tried to kill Reagan.....




Remember Michael Corleone's famous quote from the Godfather 2 about killing people and what history has taught us.


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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #134 on: April 18, 2009, 08:24:04 PM »
Ozmo, so I can get this straight for down the road argument sake:

You believe Oswald acted alone and there was no government involvement?  You pretty much believe the Warren Report? If you can just give me a quick take on what you think happened, that would be cool.  Unless I missed it you've had people shooting ideas at you and you've referenced some guys book for the shoot down responses.  Let me know what you think happened, thanks.

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #135 on: April 18, 2009, 08:43:52 PM »
Ozmo, so I can get this straight for down the road argument sake:

You believe Oswald acted alone and there was no government involvement?  You pretty much believe the Warren Report? If you can just give me a quick take on what you think happened, that would be cool.  Unless I missed it you've had people shooting ideas at you and you've referenced some guys book for the shoot down responses.  Let me know what you think happened, thanks.

I think LHO killed the president.  I don't think:

Rothchilds, Cubans, the Mob, Lyndon Johnson, Soviet Bloc, Isreal, CIA etc...  had anything to do with it, or the government.

I've referenced web sites and this book here:

http://reclaiminghistory.com/?page_id=7

It's the single largest book i own.  1500+  pages.   lol

He also wrote this book:

http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/

I should also say this.  Up to about year or so ago, I believed JFK was killed as a result of a conspiracy from the government. Kind of like a coup led by LBJ.  Most of my beliefs weren't based n facts.  I also read another book call "Why believe believe in weird things"  by Michael Shermer.   This book changed the way i look at things initially and take emotion out of how I come to conclusions.

So bottom line, based on the available facts, LHO acted alone.  That's not to say, something may come to light in the future.  But as it stands now, that's the way it is.  And discussing it is interesting and educational also, especially those who, like yourself, present a good argument and would go the extra mile, like for example, buying that camera.


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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #136 on: April 18, 2009, 08:59:01 PM »
Besmirching History: Vincent Bugliosi Assassinates Kennedy Again
The Military and Warren Commission Cover-up


http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/BesmirchingHistory.html

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #137 on: April 18, 2009, 09:11:46 PM »
Besmirching History: Vincent Bugliosi Assassinates Kennedy Again
The Military and Warren Commission Cover-up


http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/BesmirchingHistory.html

Nice article, I will read it again after i skim over it.  Are you willing to read Bugliosi's book or did you?   :P  Or did you just google a sure to exist opposing view point?

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #138 on: April 18, 2009, 09:14:47 PM »
out of curiosity what does Vincent have to say about the deathbed coffessions of E. Howard Hunt?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/print

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #139 on: April 18, 2009, 09:20:05 PM »
Nice article, I will read it again after i skim over it.  Are you willing to read Bugliosi's book or did you?   :P  Or did you just google a sure to exist opposing view point?
speaking for myself, I haven't read his book, but I have listened to him several times and his counter opinions are not hard to find and usually pop up on the subject.  His work is so far the greatest done countering conspiracy theorists in the JFK case.  I will probably read it some day.  Or hell I have a zillion audio credits purchased on audible.com, maybe they have it there.

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #140 on: April 18, 2009, 09:25:04 PM »
Nice article, I will read it again after i skim over it.  Are you willing to read Bugliosi's book or did you?   :P  Or did you just google a sure to exist opposing view point?

I'd read it

it wasn't a google search.  :D

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #141 on: April 18, 2009, 09:27:39 PM »
speaking for myself, I haven't read his book, but I have listened to him several times and his counter opinions are not hard to find and usually pop up on the subject.  His work is so far the greatest done countering conspiracy theorists in the JFK case.  I will probably read it some day.  Or hell I have a zillion audio credits purchased on audible.com, maybe they have it there.

I've probably only read 500 pages of it total.  Just the good stuff.   I find it interesting that a guy who counters CT's wrote a book accusing GWB of murder.

So what did Hunt say exactly?   I started reading the article and it read like a Omni magazine article.  Lots of story.  Got board.  



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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #142 on: April 18, 2009, 09:28:31 PM »
I'd read it

it wasn't a google search.  :D

heheh,   

Better be a long trip.   ;D

The book weighs 10 pounds   lol

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #143 on: April 18, 2009, 09:30:16 PM »
heheh,   

Better be a long trip.   ;D

The book weighs 10 pounds   lol

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #144 on: April 18, 2009, 09:34:00 PM »
taken from the article I linked.

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The mysterious “CIA” is merely a civilian agency that collects intelligence, conducts and funds political sabotage abroad, and can organize at will mercenary armies in the service of U.S. hegemony

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #145 on: April 18, 2009, 09:35:28 PM »
What's kind of cool though, is on this forum we can dissect each issue on the assassination using the web and books for reference.  Hopefully we can forgo much of the rhetoric and just discuss facts. (I'm more than guilty of being a rhetoric whore)


I tried discussing this with my parents who typically don't believe anything but are staunch believers in the JFK CT and it went badly.  lol

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #146 on: April 18, 2009, 09:36:49 PM »
taken from the article I linked.


So what are you saying?  Are you saying that because that's what the CIA does that is what happened then?

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #147 on: April 18, 2009, 09:50:53 PM »
So what are you saying?  Are you saying that because that's what the CIA does that is what happened then?

that what happened?

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #148 on: April 18, 2009, 09:52:29 PM »
that what happened?

That the CIA organized a mercenary army or just LHO himself and killed JFK.

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Re: Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?
« Reply #149 on: April 18, 2009, 09:57:04 PM »
That the CIA organized a mercenary army or just LHO himself and killed JFK.

CIA organized it, LHO was only a patsy.