Author Topic: Most overrated / underrated NFL players (Read 6113 times)

Option D · « **Reply #25 on:** June 05, 2007, 01:50:31 PM »

Quote from: marinesgt on June 05, 2007, 01:27:15 PM

is terrell owens overrated? and who is not on this list that should be...

and with the game on the line who would you pick at QB:

Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

Troy Aikman or Steve Young?

John Elway or Joe Montana?

damn i love this friggin board...

Brady
Young
Montana

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 05, 2007, 01:57:37 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on June 05, 2007, 01:50:31 PM

Brady
Young
Montana

Manning
Young
Montana

Option D · « **Reply #27 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:06:00 PM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on June 05, 2007, 01:57:37 PM

Manning
Young
Montana

dude how do you justify manning over brady in the clutch...

OzmO · « **Reply #28 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:07:31 PM »

That's a hard one to call because there are other factors beside pure athletic ability.

For example:

Q: Who would you want leading your team on the final drive for the go ahead touch down?

A: Montana. He won the biggest games. Elway lost in big games.

Q: Who's more athletically gifted, Aikman or Young

A: Young. But Aikman was more consistent as QB.

Q: Who has better ratings and stats Brady or Manning?

A; Manning. But Brady has delivered when it counts.

Q: Which QB's are good fantasy pics but not good if you're looking to see there team in the super bowl?

Fantasy: Young, Manning, Elway.

Super Bowl: Montana, Brady, Aikman.

body88 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:08:29 PM »

Montana
Brady
Manning

Tommy has to win a few more to be the goat. Out of the three Tom has had the least offensive talent around him. Two words Antoine Smith, lol. Brady has a playoff record of 14 - 3 with 3 rings. While Manning is a fantastic qb, and a legit candid for the goat, he has always been surrounded by pro bowl players. From his offensive line to his rb. Brady had Smith Manning had edge. Brady has had three sets of average/subpar wr's. Manning had had two of the greatest of all time since for his carreer. Harrison is a first round hof no questions asked. Manning has always had the better o line, and the better weapons. Polian is a offensive wizard. I am not taking anything away from manning, but I would like to see him take Reche Caldwell , A past his prime Troy Brown, and a Jaber Gaffney all the way to the afc championship game. I cannot see him having the same type of stats during the season with Reche Caldwell/Gaffney running around out there. My main knock on Manning is not his skill. Talent wise he is prob the best to play the game, but what has he had to go through? When was he not put in the best offensive systems you could dream up? How many diff wr's/players has he won sb's with? Has he ever won with "average" wr's? How about dealing with injury? Did he ever toss teamates under the bus? How many of his best players did he lose to f/a or trade?Losing coaches and coordinators? Brady and manning are apples and oranges.

OzmO · « **Reply #30 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:13:00 PM »

Quote from: body88 on June 05, 2007, 02:08:29 PM

Montana
Brady
Manning

Tommy has to win one more to be the goat. Out of the three Tom has had the least offensive talent around him. Two words Antoine Smith, lol.

I agree. Tom Brady has done it with sub par talent in many respects considering the talent Montana and Manning have and had.

(this is coming from a die hard Niner fan and a BIG time Montana fan.)

body88 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:14:51 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on June 05, 2007, 02:13:00 PM

I agree. Tom Brady has done it with sub par talent in many respects considering the talent Montana and Manning have and had.

(this is coming from a die hard Niner fan and a BIG time Montana fan.)

I am also a big Montana fan. As much as I love Tom he has some things to accomplish before he passes the goat Joe Montana. Statistically speaking Brady is on track to be right up there with Montana when he retires. The sb's will differentiate the two. Montana is the goat at this time. The guy was a amazing.

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 05, 2007, 02:55:33 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on June 05, 2007, 02:06:00 PM

dude how do you justify manning over brady in the clutch...

I actually hate manning but I think if you put Manning with the Pats he does the same thing Brady did

body88 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 05, 2007, 03:05:31 PM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on June 05, 2007, 02:55:33 PM

I actually hate manning but I think if you put Manning with the Pats he does the same thing Brady did

Manning had horrendous playoff stats this year throwing to two of the greatest receivers of all time. Recievers he has been working with forever. He had horrendus stats with a superior offensive line to the pats also. Why did he have a bad game in kc? They where not a good team. They did not even show up to play.

If manning could not win a sb with the best offensive talent around him for 6 consecutive years, how could you expect him to take his team to the afc championship game with a lesser offensive line, and a bunch of misfit wr's that never looked at a colts playbook until seasons start? Caldwell missed half of preseason as a rookie! As you know routes are based on timing and feel. Pretty hard to do those things if guys are missing preseason.The colts d stepped up and carried them during those first two games. Manning did not throw a single td in the Baltimore game. He threw ints not td's.

When Brady lost Branch and Givens you could see the drop off in his production. branch and G are not in the same league as Wayne and Harrison. If you replaced those two guys w Caldwell and Gaffney there would be a monster drop off. Caldwell is slow as shit. A big reason Toms stats where down was the fact Caldwell and co where to slow to create separation.

At the start of the season Caldwell and Gaffney where terrible. By then end of the season in the playoffs they where putting up massive numbers despite there shortcomings. Yea Caldwell muffed a pass that would have taken the pats to another sb, but as a whole his numbers where huge. His catch in the San D game was huge.To me that is more impressive then Manning taking athletic freaks of nature and making them better. People claim Manning makes his guys so much better. Take a look at a Harrison highlight real. The guy is a athletic freak. I am not saying manning is not great, but no one ever points out who he has been surrounded by his entire career.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #34 on:** June 05, 2007, 03:32:00 PM »

Quote from: Earl1972 on June 05, 2007, 12:32:43 PM

ok

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Explain how I'm wrong.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #35 on:** June 05, 2007, 03:33:12 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on June 05, 2007, 10:37:28 AM

MAN I LOVE TALKIN FOOTBALL WITH PEOPLE THAT KNOW FOOTBALL.

Ditto, bro!

Option D · « **Reply #36 on:** June 05, 2007, 04:44:45 PM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on June 05, 2007, 03:33:12 PM

Ditto, bro!

dude did you see the article on RAY LEWIS...HE came in the best shape of his whole career. He says he is so in shape its scary. I think he is usually near 262 but this year he is at around 250 but real lean.....uh ohhhh...a faster ray lewis...this is gonna be scary,

MidniteRambo · « **Reply #37 on:** June 05, 2007, 04:59:56 PM »

Vince Young is overrated. And not just a little.

Earl1972 · « **Reply #38 on:** June 05, 2007, 05:44:00 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on June 05, 2007, 02:06:00 PM

dude how do you justify manning over brady in the clutch...

when it comes to "the clutch" brady is overrated

he led his team down the field for about 30 yards for vinitieri to kick the winning field goal

people forget that in the super bowl against the panthers their dumbass kicker kicked the ball out of bounds placing the ball on the 40 yard line right before the pats winning drive

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Earl1972 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 05, 2007, 05:45:55 PM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on June 05, 2007, 03:32:00 PM

Explain how I'm wrong.

i didn't say you were wrong, I just didn't understand why you felt the need to point out that every guy in the nfl is better than every guy we saw in high school and how a player can't be overrated

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Earl1972 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 05, 2007, 05:46:40 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on June 05, 2007, 04:44:45 PM

dude did you see the article on RAY LEWIS...HE came in the best shape of his whole career. He says he is so in shape its scary. I think he is usually near 262 but this year he is at around 250 but real lean.....uh ohhhh...a faster ray lewis...this is gonna be scary,

hahahahaha

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UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #41 on:** June 05, 2007, 06:38:39 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on June 05, 2007, 04:44:45 PM

dude did you see the article on RAY LEWIS...HE came in the best shape of his whole career. He says he is so in shape its scary. I think he is usually near 262 but this year he is at around 250 but real lean.....uh ohhhh...a faster ray lewis...this is gonna be scary,

He can be in as great a shape as he wants but there is no way he's faster now than he was in his early to mid twenties, sad to say.

He needs to do whatever it takes to stay ahead of the ageing curve. At 32 years old, he's entering his swan song as an NFL player.

But come to think of it....Ray will probably try to play into his late 30's because he loves the game SO MUCH. Crazy passion. I remember Clay Matthews from the Browns played into his 19th season and still was productive. I can say the same thing about Ray. Therefore, I think he'll always make it a point to be in great shape with little down time in the offseason.

Earl1972 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 05, 2007, 08:06:52 PM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on June 05, 2007, 06:38:39 PM

He can be in as great a shape as he wants but there is no way he's faster now than he was in his early to mid twenties, sad to say.

He needs to do whatever it takes to stay ahead of the ageing curve. At 32 years old, he's entering his swan song as an NFL player.

But come to think of it....Ray will probably try to play into his late 30's because he loves the game SO MUCH. Crazy passion. Therefore, I think he'll always make it a point to be in great shape with little down time in the offseason.

we agree

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Dos Equis · « **Reply #43 on:** June 05, 2007, 08:35:03 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on June 05, 2007, 02:07:31 PM

That's a hard one to call because there are other factors beside pure athletic ability.

For example:

Q: Who would you want leading your team on the final drive for the go ahead touch down?

A: Montana. He won the biggest games. Elway lost in big games.

Q: Who's more athletically gifted, Aikman or Young

A: Young. But Aikman was more consistent as QB.

Q: Who has better ratings and stats Brady or Manning?

A; Manning. But Brady has delivered when it counts.

Q: Which QB's are good fantasy pics but not good if you're looking to see there team in the super bowl?

Fantasy: Young, Manning, Elway.

Super Bowl: Montana, Brady, Aikman.

I agree with this.

Tre · « **Reply #44 on:** June 05, 2007, 09:53:06 PM »

As a lifelong Raider fan - until a few years ago - I always had a tremendous respect for Elway and pulled for his Bronco teams in their Super Bowl runs. The guy was a competitor and even though the 'come from behind' stat can be highly overrated, he just had a knack for getting his teams in position to win.

I don't know that Brady has the same physical toughness, but he's as mentally tough as any QB I've seen in my lifetime...even if he did go to Michigan.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #45 on:** June 06, 2007, 08:50:13 AM »

Quote from: Earl1972 on June 05, 2007, 08:06:52 PM

we agree

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Shocking, isn't it?

marinesgt · « **Reply #46 on:** June 06, 2007, 02:23:59 PM »

Body88 holy shit man i actually read your whole postt you hit that shit right on the money..you are definitely a fiehard football fan...but lemme ask you this...from the 80's until today who would you want to have as best qb,rb,reciever combo??

myself i'd go with Montana(in his prime) Rice(in his prime) and emmit smith(in his prime)..what would you go with?

jerseyhurricane · « **Reply #47 on:** June 06, 2007, 04:53:06 PM »

I think Trent Green is overrated...who would give up a second round pick for a 37 year old QB stupifies me.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #48 on:** June 06, 2007, 05:16:08 PM »

Quote from: jerseyhurricane on June 06, 2007, 04:53:06 PM

I think Trent Green is overrated...who would give up a second round pick for a 37 year old QB stupifies me.

Plus the history of concussions.. They ended Troy Aikman's career..

Should have given Culpepper another shot.

jerseyhurricane · « **Reply #49 on:** June 07, 2007, 03:41:18 PM »

Quote from: marinesgt on June 05, 2007, 01:27:15 PM

is terrell owens overrated? and who is not on this list that should be...

and with the game on the line who would you pick at QB:

Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

Troy Aikman or Steve Young?

John Elway or Joe Montana?

damn i love this friggin board...

Brady-Three Superbowl rings

Aikman-i hate him more than anybody...but his accuracy was incredible

Elway That run and dive he did in the 96 superbowl for a first down is legendary