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Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« on: June 03, 2007, 05:39:17 AM »
I must say:
I was the one who convinced DJ to just GO ALL OUT and freak everyone at the show with just unbelievable size and fullness...
He agreed to try something EXTREME that I beleived will catapult him to the top as well as announce his candidacy to match brutal size of ones like Ronnie and Jay...at the Mr. Olympia.

DJ is the only guy I know who can literally "explode" right in front of you in matter of hours...

I told him that after years of trying to please "the experts" and come in "smaller" - to just come completely filled - and let the world know just HOW BIG HE REALLY IS...

YES, I was the one he listened from the first moment until the show...and I was the ONLY ONE responsible for him missing his peak...
Up until Friday - his carbing process was doing what it suppose to...but Friday's night dinner possibly just exceeded what he really needed....Possibly I went just a little to far - but I knew we had still more than 16 hours to go...
On saturday we had half day to get rid of the water...and to my shock - nothing would "release" the water until really, really late in the afternoon - and even than it was nothing as expected...

His fullness was absolutely redicoulous and IF we managed to take that water out - DJ would have looked like cartoon caracter...and that was the look I was aiming for...

Again, it puzzles me even now HOW and WHY his body would NOT respond to "dehidration protocols" used numerous times with great success...

Off course - result is catastrophic...and I have nothing else to say but: I am the one who made him look like that...

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 05:42:40 AM »
This is fuggin bullshit!

WTF has happened to bodybuilding... everyone does what they are told by someone else these days...

Dorian would never be told what to do or what to eat. guys these days need to get a brain and do their own shit.
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 05:44:19 AM »
And still douzens of athletes are paying thousands of dollars for Milos' unbelievable wisdom and experience...... ::)

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2007, 05:45:12 AM »
And still douzens of athletes are paying thousands of dollars for Milos' unbelievable wisdom and experience...... ::)

He made a mistake, at least he is man enough to take the blame

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2007, 05:46:32 AM »
He made a mistake, at least he is man enough to take the blame
Yes he did!! He does often!! So when you prepare yourself you can make the mistakes on your own. You'll have the same results and save the money for the "guru".... ::)

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2007, 05:50:29 AM »
This is fuggin bullshit!

WTF has happened to bodybuilding... everyone does what they are told by someone else these days...

Dorian would never be told what to do or what to eat. #### these days need to get a brain and do their own shit.
totally agree.

Dennis should know by now what works for him after so many years as a top pro.

Dorian knew his own body and used what worked for him. For that reason he allways came in ripped and grainy.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2007, 05:56:12 AM »
Yes he did!! He does often!! So when you prepare yourself you can make the mistakes on your own. You'll have the same results and save the money for the "guru".... ::)

There is nothing wrong with Pro's hiring "consultants" to make improvements.  The rest of the business world operates almost the same.  In the end you have to live with whatever the outcome may be.  There are no quarantees in bodybuilding no matter who you have on your team.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2007, 06:00:04 AM »
There is nothing wrong with Pro's hiring "consultants" to make improvements.  The rest of the business world operates almost the same.  In the end you have to live with whatever the outcome may be.  There are no quarantees in bodybuilding no matter who you have on your team.

Since when did bodybuilding become a team sport?
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2007, 06:01:21 AM »
He looked great except for his waist:


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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2007, 06:06:40 AM »
There is nothing wrong with Pro's hiring "consultants" to make improvements.  The rest of the business world operates almost the same.  In the end you have to live with whatever the outcome may be.  There are no quarantees in bodybuilding no matter who you have on your team.
and those corporations end up in the toilet, if you cant manage shit yourself work at mickeyd


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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2007, 06:09:02 AM »
This is fuggin bullshit!

WTF has happened to bodybuilding... everyone does what they are told by someone else these days...

Dorian would never be told what to do or what to eat. #### these days need to get a brain and do their own shit.


Dorian did what Mike Mentzer said, if he didn't then Mike would have went off on him.  But Dorian became champion
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2007, 06:13:49 AM »

Dorian did what Mike Mentzer said, if he didn't then Mike would have went off on him.  But Dorian became champion

Hahaha what an idiot!

Dorian liked the principles that Mentzer used for his training.... So Dorian modifyed those principles to suit himself, he didn't simply copy anyone, or act as a puppet to some guru.

 
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2007, 06:27:03 AM »

Dorian did what Mike Mentzer said, if he didn't then Mike would have went off on him.  But Dorian became champion

you're a dumbhead.. Dorian and Dennis are two different person with two different guru
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2007, 06:29:08 AM »
you're a dumbhead.. Dorian and Dennis are two different person with two different guru
Dorian didn't have a "guru"..

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2007, 06:29:44 AM »
mentzer made dorian. end of story.
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2007, 06:38:08 AM »
"DJ" (Dennis James) can only blame himself for looking suboptimal.
He should have enough experience with "supplements" to cast his own judgement.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2007, 07:20:07 AM »
Since when did bodybuilding become a team sport?

Since athletes started hiring nutritionists, trainers and steriod guru's to help them win......

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2007, 07:23:26 AM »
mentzer made dorian. end of story.

Not a true one, though.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2007, 07:28:11 AM »
Not a true one, though.

Did they even meet more than a couple of times?

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2007, 07:34:59 AM »
Did they even meet more than a couple of times?

Let's put it like this:

T: Earlier in your career Mike Mentzer was taking a great deal of credit for putting you on the road to "Heavy Duty" training. Did you ever train with Mentzer, and was he ever really associated with you in any way?

Dorian: When I first started training, I read as much as possible; it was trial and error in the gym. I read a lot of stuff by Arthur Jones [Nautilus inventor], and Mentzer was in the magazines at the time. Through trial and error I noticed that if I went over a certain amount of volume in the gym, my progress would come to a stop. I'd become overtrained. I was always training with a lot of volume, high intensity, along those lines.

I met Mike Mentzer after I won my first Olympia in '92. I was at Gold's Gym in Venice doing photo shoots and met Mike. Of course he was someone I'd admired when I started training, and we were talking about training principles and so on. He had a personal training business and felt that when he was still competing he still overtrained, even though he was doing a lot less than everybody else. He felt it was possible to do even less, in terms of volume, and get even better results.

So yes, I did a few workouts with Mike and we exchanged ideas. He did have some input in my training at that time. I tried to reduce the volume a little bit more, but it was a minor adjustment because I was already training like that. So it's not correct to say Mike trained me. We did maybe three workouts together in Gold's Gym.

T: So he was an influence, like many people have been an influence?

Dorian: Yeah, he was an influence. I'll learn from wherever I can learn. I've probably learned many things from people during my career, but it would be incorrect to say anyone trained me or coached me or anything like that. You should never be too big to be able to pick up tips and learn. You have to keep an open mind. Mike was one of quite a few people who had some influence.

Of course, it was good for Mike's business to be associated with me, which I didn't particularly mind. Great, if it was going to help him. I wouldn't want anyone to take credit for training me 'cause it wouldn't be correct. Even if someone was training me, there's a whole bigger aspect to the sport than that. There's the nutrition and pre-contest prep and everything, which would be a totally different ballgame than when Mike was competing.

Source: https://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do;jsessionid=8B6FE83D014CD3A1AE527D07B8662FF4.hydra?article=156yates2

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2007, 09:00:25 AM »
mentzer was dorians spiritual leader and i think it's sad how he doesnt give him credit for his success
maybe he's unaware of the inspiration and influence he had on his career
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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2007, 09:02:33 AM »
mentzer was dorians spiritual leader and i think it's sad how he doesnt give him credit for his success
maybe he's unaware of the inspiration and influence he had on his career


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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2007, 09:06:04 AM »
mentzer made dorian. end of story.
mentzer did not make dorian. mentzer "trained" him for a handful of workouts after the 92 mr o.

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Re: Milos take the blame for DJ's condition :
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2007, 09:08:21 AM »
I must say:


Again, it puzzles me even now HOW and WHY his body would NOT respond to "dehidration protocols" used numerous times with great success...


Hey genius, here's a thought.........stop fucking with the IGF, so there ya go Milos, I just gave you your first clue as to WHY he looked like a blowfish.....you're a "guru" take it from there!