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Tony Perkins (FRC) on the NH Civil Union Law
« on: June 04, 2007, 08:52:10 AM »
Lynch signs gay unions into law  
Governor says they're a matter of civil rights  
By Margot Sanger-Katz
June 1, 2007

Describing it as a means of furthering "fairness, dignity and the strengthening of New Hampshire families," Gov. John Lynch signed a bill yesterday allowing gay and lesbian couples to enter civil unions.

Facing a packed room of supporters, Lynch said the law was part of the state's long commitment to civil rights and equality.

"Dating back to the abolitionist movement in New Hampshire, we have a long and proud history of opposing discrimination," he said. "Today, that tradition continues."

Legislators who attended the session snapped pictures and applauded loudly several times during the governor's comments. After Lynch signed the bill into law, many spectators cheered.

With his signature, Lynch made New Hampshire the fourth state to offer civil unions to same-sex couples, and the only one to do so without pressure from lawsuits. Under the bill, which will take effect Jan. 1, same-sex couples who join in civil unions will have all the "rights, responsibilities and obligations" of married couples.

Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, who stood behind the governor during the ceremony, said he planned to enter a civil union with his longtime partner Mark Andrews next year. Though his own support for gay rights has caused conflicts in his church, Robinson said that the New Hampshire law would strengthen the state by promoting equality.
"It's really an affirmation of very conservative values," he said. "The church and society support marriage because it's about offering our children a stable environment to grow up in."

Sponsors and supporters of the bill said they were heartened by the governor's comments.

"This is the high point of all of the efforts that I and others have made to work toward equality for gays and lesbians," said Ed Butler, a Democrat from Hart's Location, who supported the bill.

Though Lynch's statement yesterday expressed clear support for the law, the governor did not immediately champion the bill after it passed the House in early April. For several weeks, Lynch said that he needed to speak to legislators before reaching a decision. Yesterday, he described his process of deliberation, saying that he had discussed the issue with hundreds of New Hampshire residents.

Dana Hilliard, a Somersworth Democrat, who was one of the bill's sponsors in the House, said that he was never concerned about the governor's final decision, but he understood it would take Lynch time to "process."

"For this governor, who is very popular, coming out and signing this publicly sends a very strong message," Hilliard said.

Until yesterday, it was unclear whether the governor would sign the bill in public. He received the bill from legislators last night, according to his spokesman Colin Manning, and decided to sign it right away.

"The governor only has five days" to sign the bill, Manning said. "We decided that because it was a session day, it was a good opportunity for all the supporters to be there."

But critics of the bill said that the governor should have given more notice before the ceremony. His staff announced the event less than two hours before it was held.

"The governor did not want any public attention on this if he could help it," said Fergus Cullen, the chairman of the state Republican Party. "That's just not political courage."

The civil unions bill passed the House by a 2-to-1 margin. In the Senate, legislators voted for it 14-10, along party lines.

It was a departure from the Legislature's discussion of same-sex unions in recent years, which had never before included legal recognition. Three years ago, legislators passed a bill preventing the state from recognizing out-of-state gay unions. In 2005, a legislative commission formed to investigate gay marriage recommended a constitutional amendment to ban it, though that proposal had little support.

The bill's supporters credited the new Democratic majority with enacting the change but also said that public acceptance of civil unions has matured as residents have had time to see how similar measures have worked in neighboring states.

In New England, Vermont and Connecticut allow civil unions, Maine offers domestic partnerships for gay couples, and Massachusetts is the only state in the country to allow gay marriage.

"I think society has come a long way," said Portsmouth Rep. Jim Splaine, who sponsored the bill. "We've come a long way, and now New Hampshire has stepped up to the plate."

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Commentary from Tony Perkins

Likening New Hampshire's new civil union law to freeing the slaves, Gov. John Lynch (D) celebrated as his state became the fourth to offer alternatives to traditional marriage. Unlike the other three states, New Hampshire managed to usher in these special rights without a court order or threat of legal action. "Dating back to the abolitionist movement, we . . . have a long and proud history of taking the lead in opposing discrimination. Today that tradition continues," Lynch said at the bill signing ceremony. Though the argument is a popular one, African-Americans continue to take exception to the idea that the fight for same-sex marriage is comparable to the civil rights movement. Homosexuals have experienced disapproval, but they have not endured centuries of violence, abuse, segregation, and slavery. Unlike ethnicity, homosexual behavior is a choice. A person can choose to either participate in homosexual behavior or not to participate. An African-American cannot choose to participate in having black skin; they are born with it. Lynch's suggestion that homosexuals who want to marry are oppressed or victims of discrimination is simply outrageous. No person is being denied the right to marry. They are simply asked to meet the core requirement (since civilization began) that both genders be present. A new report from Massachusetts also calls into question how important "marriage" is to homosexuals. Only three years after same-sex "marriage" became legal in the Bay State, the number of same-sex "marriages" has dramatically declined. The state Department of Public Health notes that 6,121 same-sex couples married in the seven months following the court ruling. In 2006, 1,427 couples married. As of April 26 of this year, only 87 homosexual couples have wed. This makes it clear that homosexuals don't want to marry; they want the official governmental and social affirmation of homosexual relationships that comes with being able to marry.
 

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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 08:58:32 AM »
Looks like it's catching on.  Even with a majority of Americans against gay marriage it looks like it's finding a way to be legal.   It seems that when it comes to civil rights, the majority doesn't count.

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 09:05:02 AM »
Looks like it's catching on.  Even with a majority of Americans against gay marriage it looks like it's finding a way to be legal.   It seems that when it comes to civil rights, the majority doesn't count.
I wouldn't exactly call 4 states out of 50 "catching on".  But I do agree that the opinion of the majority doesn't count when it comes to these 4 states. 

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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 09:10:57 AM »
I wouldn't exactly call 4 states out of 50 "catching on".  But I do agree that the opinion of the majority doesn't count when it comes to these 4 states. 

In some cases it shouldn't.   that's what is good about a republic based on democracy.  It doesn't allow the popular vote to derail it from it's core ideals.

You are right, 4 states isn't much but would you ever imagine that 20 years ago?

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 09:45:12 AM »
In some cases it shouldn't.   that's what is good about a republic based on democracy.  It doesn't allow the popular vote to derail it from it's core ideals.

You are right, 4 states isn't much but would you ever imagine that 20 years ago?
True.   :-\  This is also true of alot of things, most specifically the divisiveness that we have in our country post 9-11.   :(

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 09:49:52 AM »
True.   :-\  This is also true of alot of things, most specifically the divisiveness that we have in our country post 9-11.   :(

Yeah, 9/11 brought on just as much division in some cases as it did unity.   :(

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Re: Tony Perkins (FRC) on the NH Civil Union Law
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 09:53:30 AM »
  Even with a majority of Americans against gay marriage it looks like it's finding a way to be legal.   It seems that when it comes to civil rights, the majority doesn't count.

Civil rights SHOULD be upheld for all despite the prejudices of the majority.  That's what the Civil Rights movement was about in the 60s.
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Re: Tony Perkins (FRC) on the NH Civil Union Law
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 09:54:39 AM »
Civil rights SHOULD be upheld for all despite the prejudices of the majority.  That's what the Civil Rights movement was about in the 60s.

I agree.

that's one the reasons a "pure" democracy is destined to fail.

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 09:55:58 AM »
I agree.

that's one the reasons a "pure" democracy is destined to fail.

Bump for socialism!  :)
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 10:14:06 AM »
Lynch signs gay unions into law  

Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, who stood behind the governor during the ceremony, said he planned to enter a civil union with his longtime partner Mark Andrews next year. Though his own support for gay rights has caused conflicts in his church, Robinson said that the New Hampshire law would strengthen the state by promoting equality.
"It's really an affirmation of very conservative values," he said. "The church and society support marriage because it's about offering our children a stable environment to grow up in."


Bizarre.  What is going on in the Episcopal church? :-\

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Re: Tony Perkins (FRC) on the NH Civil Union Law
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 10:14:37 AM »
Civil rights SHOULD be upheld for all despite the prejudices of the majority.  That's what the Civil Rights movement was about in the 60s.

In that case they should pass laws so that drug addicts can use all the drugs they want.....addiction to drugs or hosexuality is the same thing afterall.....
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 10:18:24 AM »
Bump for socialism!  :)

I disagree, Socialism in it's purity doesn't work either.  Too much assistance breeds mediocrity.  We are at our best when we are challenged.  We must strike a balance that both motivates innovation and progress and gives assistance where warranted.

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 10:22:13 AM »
In that case they should pass laws so that drug addicts can use all the drugs they want.....addiction to drugs or hosexuality is the same thing afterall.....

Because both involve putting your lips up to the pipe and sucking?  ???



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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 10:24:23 AM »
In that case they should pass laws so that drug addicts can use all the drugs they want.....addiction to drugs or hosexuality is the same thing afterall.....


That last part is a matter of opinion and perspective.   I for one believe in the legalization of many non-victimized crimes such as prostitution and Weed, but not the legalization of drugs like Heroin and crank.  I think we should be far stiffer and give severe penalties for those drugs because it harms people in a way that ruins their lives and those around them.  Something I've seen first hand.

But you are right MM69, that's exactly what is happening.  It's why we are a great and strong nation, not perfect, but one of the best on earth if not the BEST on earth considering we are the most powerful as some would see a powerful nation as not the most free.

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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 10:25:20 AM »
Civil rights SHOULD be upheld for all despite the prejudices of the majority.  That's what the Civil Rights movement was about in the 60s.

Was it upheld when that dude was forced to take down the American flag on his business property?

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2007, 10:25:59 AM »
Bizarre.  What is going on in the Episcopal church? :-\
It is steadily heading for the pot.   :(

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007, 10:29:10 AM »
Was it upheld when that dude was forced to take down the American flag on his business property?

You know i never fully read that issue you posted.  But i think if it is as you say here, he shouldn't have had to take it down.   

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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2007, 10:29:38 AM »

I think we should be far stiffer and give severe penalties for those drugs because it harms people in a way that ruins their lives and those around them. 

Let's see, people take drugs that may ruin their life, so you propose giving them severe "penalties" that WILL ruin their life.   ::)

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 10:32:32 AM »

That last part is a matter of opinion and perspective.   I for one believe in the legalization of many non-victimized crimes such as prostitution and Weed, but not the legalization of drugs like Heroin and crank.  I think we should be far stiffer and give severe penalties for those drugs because it harms people in a way that ruins their lives and those around them.  Something I've seen first hand.

But you are right MM69, that's exactly what is happening.  It's why we are a great and strong nation, not perfect, but one of the best on earth if not the BEST on earth considering we are the most powerful as some would see a powerful nation as not the most free.

oh  you are right and I would never live anywhere else.....I'm not for picking and choosing however, if you want to say we should go against the majority and give gay couples rights in order to protect "civil rights" then we should do that for all classes and drug addicts are a class. I am 110% for civil rights based on race, but race is something you can't help.....
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 10:35:18 AM »
It is steadily heading for the pot.   :(

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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2007, 10:36:03 AM »
oh  you are right and I would never live anywhere else.....I'm not for picking and choosing however, if you want to say we should go against the majority and give gay couples rights in order to protect "civil rights" then we should do that for all classes and drug addicts are a class. I am 110% for civil rights based on race, but race is something you can't help.....

yes.  I don't think drug addicts are a class.  I think just think Nicotine and Alcohol are far more damaging than hookers and pot and it's silly to put some in jail because of that.  I think we are far too forgiving to those who are guilty of operating a meth lab or selling crank and heroin.  those people should be dealt a severe penalty.

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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2007, 10:39:53 AM »
I think we are far too forgiving to those who are guilty of operating a meth lab or selling crank and heroin.  those people should be dealt a severe penalty.

Alcohol and nicotine kill far more people than crank and heroin.  Shall we serverely punish people who sell alcohol and nicotine, too?
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Re: Tony Perkins (FRC) on the NH Civil Union Law
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2007, 11:07:51 AM »
Alcohol and nicotine kill far more people than crank and heroin.  Shall we serverely punish people who sell alcohol and nicotine, too?

Yeah those do kill far more people, but for the most part they don't ruin the environment and lives as quickly a severely as heroin and crank do.  Although some might think Alcohol might.  I've seen alcoholism up close and meth and heroin addiction.   Alcoholism is much more manageable.   Meth and Heroin addiction is as if a demon took their minds over to the point that they would steal anything or even murder for the next fix.

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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2007, 11:09:57 AM »
Yeah those do kill far more people, but for the most part they don't ruin the environment and lives as quickly a severely as heroin and crank do.  Although some might think Alcohol might.  I've seen alcoholism up close and meth and heroin addiction.   Alcoholism is much more manageable.   Meth and Heroin addiction is as if a demon took their minds over to the point that they would steal anything or even murder for the next fix.

I don't know Ozmo.  I think nicotine has a far greater impact on society than heroin and crank.  Just look at the number of people it kills every year and the enormous burden it places on the healthcare system. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2007, 11:11:33 AM »
Yeah those do kill far more people, but for the most part they don't ruin the environment and lives as quickly a severely as heroin and crank do.  Although some might think Alcohol might.  I've seen alcoholism up close and meth and heroin addiction.   Alcoholism is much more manageable.   Meth and Heroin addiction is as if a demon took their minds over to the point that they would steal anything or even murder for the next fix.

Actually, heroin addiction is much safer and more manageable than either meth or alcohol.  Most heroin-related problems stem from its impurity and illegality, not the drug itself.  Also, you're making the typical mistake of blaming the drug itself for the relationship that the person develops with it.  Drugs don't "turn people into demons who will kill for the next fix."  That's what they said about marijuana in the 1930s, too.
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