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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2007, 01:24:35 PM »
Don't like the greyhound appearance....different strokes for different folks I guess, and while your dog looks solid what is the point of claiming "has WAY more muscle than any dog" you seem to be somewhat knowledgable in regards to canines so you know thats not true, even if you've never owned a presa or a dogo just take a look at one it's apples and oranges, and it's inevitable that when done racing and out of condition (losing some muscle gaining some fat) your dog will have a very different look.

when TA's dog retires from racing it can move on to other forms of compettition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Canine_Freestyle

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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2007, 01:24:53 PM »
Greyhound racing is a cruel, abusive sport, but it is loosing more and more money every year so hopefully the tracks will be shut down soon.   They don't treat race dogs the way they treat race horses.

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That is a myth and a lie.
GREYHOUND RACING MYTHS DEBUNKED!
by Martin Roper & Dennis McKeon
"Greyhounds are overbred"  or  “An estimated 10,000 to 50,000 greyhounds are born every year ...”There is no need to estimate how many greyhounds are whelped annually in the U.S.   In 2004, 26,262 were registered and in 2003 it was 26,277. The National Greyhound Association has published exact figures for decades.  Breeding has been on the decline for several years and 2005 whelpings are expected to be down 20 percent from last year.

“Most of those don't cut the mustard for the track.”Most greyhounds do make it at the track. Eighty percent of all greyhounds win a Maiden race and embark on a racing career. Of the remaining 20 percent, not all are failures. Many females are retained for breeding without ever going to the track.

"20,000, 30,000, 50,000 greyhounds are killed annually"
More than 90 percent of racing greyhounds are either adopted as pets upon retirement or returned to their owners for breeding. It is estimated that more than 18,000 are adopted annually through groups and a further 5,000 are retained by their owners. Greyhound Pets of America, the world's largest adoption group, estimates that full adoption can be reached as early as 2007, an achievement few popular breeds can claim.

"They're fed 4D Meat" or  "Greyhounds are fed rotten meat"
Anti-Racing groups frequently point to the fact that racing greyhounds are fed meat from, “dead, diseased, dying or disabled” cattle as evidence of abuse because it causes so-called “Alabama Rot” that kills many greyhounds. The truth is that when meat is purchased from a reliable packing facility and handled correctly, the possibility of occurrence of E. Coli infection is extremely small and incidences of Alabama Rot are rare.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture has strict rules that regulate the source of meat approved for human consumption. Animals that do not meet those restrictions are designated 4D whether or not any of the above adjectives describe the reason for being considered unfit for humans. 4D meat is the primary ingredient in most pet foods, even premium brands. Pet food is cooked which kills the E. Coli bacteria, but also alters its nutritional composition. All attempts to replicate the diets of racing dogs with cooked food have resulted in failure. Racing greyhounds simply do not perform as well on a commercial diet as on one partially composed of raw meat. Many pet owners of a variety of breeds have converted to a B.A.R.F. (Bones and Raw Food) diet similar to typical racing greyhound fare.

When handled in a safe manner, from the packing plant to the feed bowl, raw meat has proven safe and effective. Qual-Pet, the largest supplier of meat to greyhound farms and kennels, has more than 40 years’ experience in the preparation and distribution of meat. The meat is frozen immediately upon grinding and delivered frozen to its outlets. The meat is stored in freezers by farmers and trainers until it is needed and then thawed before it is mixed with other forms of feed and supplements. The E. Coli bacteria is not uncommon nor necessarily dangerous in small amounts. Indeed, the strain of E. Coli that causes Alabama Rot is found naturally in a variety of foods ranging from apples to alfalfa sprouts. Only when mishandled and allowed to multiply in meat that has not been refrigerated for a long period of time does it begin to pose a danger.

In a similar example of fear mongering, one group even attempted to mislead the public by proclaiming that greyhounds were in danger of exposure to Mad Cow Disease via 4D meat. The truth, of course, is different. All cattle raised in America, regardless of whether their meat is destined for human or pet consumption, are tracked by the USDA and after they are slaughtered samples are collected and tested for Mad Cow. Greyhounds in the U.S. have no more chance of contracting Mad Cow Disease than do humans.  

Greyhounds Are Given Performance Enhancing Drugs Greyhound racing is strictly regulated by the states where it exists. There is a state-approved vet and a state judge on premises, in addition to the track judge and other officials. Prior to weigh in, the greyhounds must pass before the judges and the vet on hand, all of whom have the option to examine and/or scratch any dog whom they feel is unfit to race for any reason.

After the race, urine samples are collected from the winner and/or the second place and last place finishers, with an additional random sample taken, depending upon the custom in the locality. Their urine is tested in independent, contracted laboratories, by means of ultra sensitive gas-chromatography. If any illegal substances are found to be present in the urine of the greyhound, the trainer is suspended and fined, and the kennel can be suspended, depending upon the decision of the judges at the hearing, which the offending parties must attend. A second offense can lead to the trainer's permanent suspension, and/or the revocation of the kennel's right to compete.

Incidentally, there has never been a successfully prosecuted criminal case involving a licensed greyhound professional and the use of illegal, performance enhancing or performance inhibiting drugs, in the entire history of greyhound racing in the USA.

"Their tiny crates give them only enough room to turn around" or "They spend 22 hours in a crate daily"
I often thought, when I was a trainer of racing greyhounds, and performing my daily chores of changing of shaking out and fluffing the bedding, and sweeping out and disinfecting upwards of 50 crates every morning, that there must be a better way. This is so much work. Then, after the beds are all done, and the crates are ready for their tenants to come in from turnout, to root around and happily nest in the fluffy paper, I’d have to begin the process of slitting fresh beds for the next day. There was no end to it.

Anti-racing and animal rights activists condemn the use of crates in the racing kennel, and like to refer to them as “cages”, for the negative connotation that the word conveys. Naturally, none of these people has ever been in charge of 50 or more greyhounds, and the vast majority of them have not been any closer to a racing kennel than I have to the Bunnies’ changing rooms at the Playboy Mansion.

The mythology they have developed, depicts the standard crate that is used in the racing kennel as being cramped, and too small to allow the greyhound to be even somewhat comfortable, never mind to actually stretch out. Think about that for a minute. You are the trainer of a kennel of 50 or more extremely valuable racing greyhounds. Their success at earning purses when racing, which determines your career success and what you will earn, is considerably predicated on the conditioning of their extraordinary muscles. Their accommodations must allow them to relax in time of repose, and provide ample creature comfort so that their muscles and bodies can rest, recovering from the exertions of exercise and racing performance. So naturally, in the warped and narcissistic world of the anti-racing bigot, the first thing you do, is stuff them in crates that are too small and stiflingly cramped, and which will induce anxiety, neurosis, and claustrophobia. Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

I don’t recall ever working in a racing kennel where the crates were not large enough for someone my size ----and I’m 6’1’’ tall---- to crawl in, curl up, and spend the night in relative comfort, and I did so on many occasions. The standard racing kennel crate is 3’x3’x4’, which affords even the largest, rangiest greyhound free and unfettered movement, and the ability to stretch his muscles, and to lie on their backs and “roach”….. which is the terminology that retired greyhound pet owners use to describe the blissful position that greyhounds assume, on their backs, with their feet in the air.

The crates are usually arranged in a manner that allows the trainer a frontal view of all the greyhounds, as they centrally perform their daily routines of grooming, massaging, checking for injuries, whirlpooling and otherwise tending to the normal needs of active racing greyhounds. As the trainer works with his/her greyhounds, he/she can easily tell if something is amiss with anyone of their charges, because of this standard, economical crate arrangement. Any experienced trainer knows that any deviation from the norm, in the habitual behavior of their greyhounds, is cause for concern. Crating greyhounds in the traditional manner, allows the trainer to always be visually in touch with each dog in the kennel, and to observe them at all times during the normal training, caretaking routines.

"Breeders practice 'Puppy Culling'"
Most of Anti-Racing mythology is predicated on the flimsiest evidence, often based on an utter lack of knowledge of the first thing about dogs, let alone Greyhounds. One example is the belief in ?puppy culling,? the killing of young greyhounds because they do not demonstrate the ability to win at the track.

One group publishes that 7,000 to 8,000 puppies are culled annually, killed even before they are registered because they are too slow. Their numbers are based on the number of total litters bred annually, which in Greyhounds average 6.5 pups each.

For any given year they multiply the number of litters reported in Greyhound Review by 6.5 and subtract the total number of registrations. Using figures from 2000 as an example, they simply subtract 26,464 registered pups from the estimated 34,141 whelped and assume that the 7,677 unregistered pups were "culled."

What they fail to take into account is that every birth, whether stillborn or not, every puppy, whether it dies in infancy or not, is factored into that 34,141 figure. According to the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, overall pre-weaning puppy mortality is typically 30-45%, and the rate of stillborns is 10%. Of course, one would expect that experienced Greyhound breeders could achieve somewhat lower figures, but it is clear that well-known puppy mortality rates are not factored into AR figures at all.

"Puppy culling" is one of the central myths in the Anti-Racing movement. It is the only way they can make their numbers work (see ?20,000 Killed?). The truth is that there is no possible reason to cull puppies in greyhounds. In show dogs, occasionally puppies with a coat color that is not to the breed standard are culled. The only time a puppy will be euthanized at a greyhound farm is when it is born so sickly or injured so badly that its survivability is in doubt and the only question is how much suffering it will endure.

A good brood prospect will cost $1,000 to more than $10,000. Breeding to a top sire adds another $1,000 to $3,000. Insemination fees start at $250. With up-front costs that start at more than $2,000, and could easily exceed $12,000, it doesn't make economic sense to cull the results. Further, pups at recent NGA auctions fetched $2,500 to more than $70,000. Why would someone deprive themselves of this income potential?

The belief in culling by the AR movement is confounding and illogical. It reveals its adherents as lacking the most fundamental understanding of the breeding and raising of Greyhounds.  

"The dogs get no personal attention"
I remember when I first met Hugh Carney, a part- owner and Racing Secretary of the the Seabook, NH racetrack, and himself a former thoroughbred trainer.

When we shook hands, he shouted out to the others present, "Now here's a man who knows how to work with his dogs!". I knew what he meant right away, and took the compliment gladly.

You see, he could tell I was a hands-on trainer, by the extreme roughness of my hands, which were that way because of the strong liniments a trainer uses to rub down and massage his greyhounds. He knew that because of his own background with horses.

Naturally, a trainer has to treat each greyhound as an individual athlete and personality, which is precisely what they are. They all have their own quirks and routines, which a smart trainer picks up on, and uses to make them more comfortable and relaxed. A trainer wants to make every greyhound in his kennel, irrespective of their abilities, feel like they are an All American caliber racer.

Their personalities develop from moment one, on the farm, where they are whelped and bred, under the auspices and multi-daily ministrations of the breeder, their families, and the farm employees. Greyhounds are usually always intimately familiar with at least a half a dozen people during their early upbringing, where they are raised in a natural "pack" situation, remaining with their mothers far longer than the whelps of any other breed.

They have constant human interaction, as any other dog would, but with more of a focus on playing "chasing" games, as they are gradually encouraged to engage in this natural behavior as often as is safely and constructively possible, right up to the time they are ready to begin racetrack preparations.

They are groomed and trained to lead and walk like any other dog, and periodically, go to see their friend the veterinarian, like any other dog.

At about a year, to 13 months of age, most are introduced to a kennel environment that is a rough simulation of the racing kennels they will enter in the not-too-distant future. They begin, also, to "school" for racing, in earnest. Bi-weekly visits to the training track are the norm, where they encounter new people and strange greyhounds.

When they are ready to begin their racing careers, they meet their new handlers, and, at the racetrack, they encounter the judges, the vet, the scale clerks, the leadouts and the public----twice a week, at most tracks.

Their racing regimen includes grooming and rubdowns the day before, the day of and the day after a race, as well as exercise in between races, if necessary. They have abundant kennel mates and kennel help with whom to interact, and seldom spend a day when they are not the center of attention for their part of it.

People come to visit the kennel all the time, often the owners of the greyhound, or other trainers....and many trainers' spouses and/or children are often involved in doing some of the kennel chores.

Greyhounds are pretty much thoroughly socialized by the time they get to the track, and almost always, when they are ready for retirement. What anti-racing groups, in their relentless and ill-conceived propaganda, often cite as "lack of socialization", is actually a matter of habituation.

All canines are creatures of habit. They like routine, and they like punctuality. Trainers learn this in the very earliest stages of their careers, if they wish to have a career.

When a racing greyhound is sent to an adoptive family, he must cope with a monumental paradigm change and upheaval in his routine, with which he has become thoroughly comfortable over the course of his racing career.

Everything he encounters in his new environment is strange to him, from the intimidating stairs he will learn to negotiate, to the couch he will soon claim as his own. The greyhound has to become habituated to his new routine and his new home environment.

The fact that greyhounds are able to, in most cases, make this quantum leap of habituation without too much difficulty, is a tribute to their high levels of socialization, and the trust they have learned to place in the humans that they had previously known.

Anti-racing ideologues commonly mistake issues of socialization with the challenges of paradigm change and habituation in their diatribes and propaganda. Whether this is a matter of complete ignorance, or of purposefully contrived disinformation, it is food for thought, either way, considering their irresponsible agenda.

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2007, 01:25:24 PM »
If you don't think race horses are severly mistreated your a little lost. At least with greyhounds when they are done racing kind and good people adopt some of them and they make solid family pets....I don't know of that many people capable of adopting horses for a variety of reasons.

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2007, 01:28:08 PM »
Now, as for those myths and legends...

Common Myth #1: Greyhounds are hyper dogs that have to run every day. Retired racing Greyhounds typically sleep about 18 hours a day (more if you let them). "Hyper" is not a word we would even consider applying to a Greyhound. They are commonly referred to as 45 mile per hour couch potatoes. The fact is they don't HAVE to run at all, although they do relish a good sprint once in a while. If you want to see hyper, take a look at Lucky and Kristy's step-sister Zoe the Smooth Fox Terrier. OY VEY!!!

Common Myth #2: Greyhounds are abused and mistreated at the track. Greyhound racing in the U.S. is a business, not a Mel Brooks movie. You make money in business by winning, not by losing. You win at Greyhound racing with a healthy dog. Greyhounds are generally well cared for while actively racing. They may not enjoy the quality of life a dog deserves while on the track, but since it's the only life they know, they are not unhappy animals. Once adopted they quickly figure out what they've been missing and seem truly grateful for the new life they have been given.

Common Myth #3: Greyhounds are large dogs that need lots of space to live in. Well, they are not Chihuahuas, but they are indoor dogs. Greyhounds have virtually no body fat so outdoor temperatures to either extreme are not tolerable to them. Even if you live in a house with a fenced yard, the dog will have to live indoors. We lived in a two bedroom condo at one time and Porcia was very happy and comfortable there. The uninitiated are always amazed at how "small" a sleeping 65 pound Greyhound can be.

Common Myth #4: Greyhounds do not get along with other animals. Well, this one is sometimes true. In some Greyhounds the "Prey Drive" is so strong that they can not live in homes with other animals. Most Greys, however, will get along quite well with other dogs, cats (Porcia loved cats) and other small animals. When they first come off the track they do not necessarily recognize other breeds as dogs, so if you have dogs of another breed there will be a learning curve to contend with. Want Proof? Click here.

Common Myth #5: Greyhounds are "Special Needs" dogs that require a lot of your time. This one is the absolute truth! Greyhounds do have special needs. They NEED at least a couple of soft places to sleep. They NEED love and affection from their humans. They NEED to be fed every day. As for demanding a lot of your time; if you want to sit and watch your Greyhound sleep 18 hours a day, well, fine. Frankly YOU probably NEED to get a hobby.

Common Myth #6: All retired Greyhound adoption groups are the same. This is a really tough one. All retired Greyhounds deserve a good home and a long pampered life. However, if you are considering adopting, carefully examine the group you are adopting from. Examine their values and procedures. Examine their motives. ASK QUESTIONS! Above all, make sure you know all that is known about the dog you are adopting (which may not be much in many cases) and make sure the dog's personality is a good match for your lifestyle. Just as with any breed, certain individual Greyhounds may have health or personality issues that you should know about before making a decision. Don't just choose the first dog that runs up and licks your chin. These dogs have already been through a lot of undeserved stress before they move into our homes. They do not need to be put through even more by being returned to the adoption group because the adopter wasn't aware of something about the dog or the breed.

Common Myth #7: Greyhounds are not dogs. They are actually cyborg robots sent by aliens from Alpha Centauri to invade human sleeping spaces and thereby deprive us of sleep so that we don't notice the Alpha Centaurians when they raid our washing machines and steal one sock from each pair of argyles they find. This is not a common myth at all. We just made it up because we wanted to have seven myths on this list. (But think about it...)


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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2007, 02:05:38 PM »
They may not enjoy the quality of life a dog deserves while on the track, but since it's the only life they know, they are not unhappy animals. Once adopted they quickly figure out what they've been missing and seem truly grateful for the new life they have been given.

     gee, thankfully people like you can give them a shitty life so they them may enjoy a good life IF THEY ARE LUCKY AND GET ADOPTED WHEN DONE RACING.

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2007, 02:19:46 PM »
Don't like the greyhound appearance....different strokes for different folks I guess, and while your dog looks solid what is the point of claiming "has WAY more muscle than any dog" you seem to be somewhat knowledgable in regards to canines so you know thats not true, even if you've never owned a presa or a dogo just take a look at one it's apples and oranges, and it's inevitable that when done racing and out of condition (losing some muscle gaining some fat) your dog will have a very different look.

What are the chances Getbig would have it's own resident greyhound expert waiting in the wings to contradict Adonis's claims regarding his newest hobby?  Just your luck, Adonis.  LOL  This board never fails to trip me out.   ;D

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2007, 02:23:14 PM »
What are the chances Getbig would have it's own resident greyhound expert waiting in the wings to contradict Adonis's claims regarding his newest hobby?  Just your luck, Adonis.  LOL  This board never fails to trip me out.   ;D
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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2007, 02:29:23 PM »
Greyhound racing in the U.S. is a business, not a Mel Brooks movie. You make money in business by winning, not by losing. You win at Greyhound racing with a healthy dog. Greyhounds are generally well cared for while actively racing. They may not enjoy the quality of life a dog deserves while on the track, but since it's the only life they know, they are not unhappy animals.


Generaly well cared for. A lot of wiggle room there Adonis huh?  

What would we do without your quicky course in economics? Of course these animals suffer but they do it for the sake of capitalism. How did I not see that?  Why we should exploit as many animals as we can for as much money as possible. Who cares about those stupid creatures, they are money making machines!!!!!!!!!!!!


Also Adonis, The Greyhound industry did not start the adoption thing until they were publicly pressured by animal rights groups to do so. Do not make it seem otherwise. They got owned and they were not happy about it because thats how the whole expose of their evil ways got out to the public. Good hearted owners of adopted grey hounds are spreading the word street corner by street corner, dog park by dog park. The good ole fashioned American way for social change.

And dont make it sound like every abandoned dog gets adopted because there are simply not enough people willing to adopt all the greyhound dogs that are abandoned by the racing industry, there are still a huge amount of animals being killed after their few months of service. Its sounds to me your are desperately seeking a way to justify your vested interest, selfish interests and underlying doubts. You remind me the religious nuts that you and I battle here often.





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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2007, 03:55:07 PM »
I already have a Greyhound.  Yes this is true about their muscles.  Another neat fact is that they run solely on ATP and not Oxygen during the inital part of their sprints.  We don`t have that ability.

My grey is a champion racer, Mambo King aka Darwin, has WAY more muscle than any dog.




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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2007, 03:58:54 PM »
looking at these bully whippets I can't help but imagine how bodybuilding is going to change when real myostatin inhibition becomes availible.

btw, this one is a bitch:

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2007, 04:37:11 PM »
What are the chances Getbig would have it's own resident greyhound expert waiting in the wings to contradict Adonis's claims regarding his newest hobby?  Just your luck, Adonis.  LOL  This board never fails to trip me out.   ;D

I know I love it.  APenis tries to pulls some "off the wall" subject and pretends he is an expert then get OWNED big time by someone who obviously does know about the sport and greyhounds.  I love it!

Plus all he does is his famous Cut&Paste shit again argue the point he is lying and the other guy knows what he is talking about off the top of his head.  I love it.

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2007, 04:39:59 PM »
I saw a dog race once when I was in Florida.  Not sure where, I keep thinking by a town Hialeha or something like that but not sure.  I been everywhere there so I get mixed up.  It was in 1988 or so

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
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http://www.greyhounds.org/news/press_room/news.php


CHARGES DISMISSED AGAINST CO-CONSPIRATORS IN NOTORIOUS GREYHOUND KILLING CASE

Jan 25, 2005 - Greyhound Protection League Blasts Alabama's Poor Greyhound Welfare Record

Bay Minette, Alabama - Baldwin County District Attorney, David Whetstone has been forced to request a dismissal of animal cruelty charges against three of the defendants in the greyhound-killing case that garnered national attention in 2002. The State's case against the alleged perpetrators has suffered numerous setbacks over the past two and a half years in spite of Whetstone's aggressive pursuit of justice.

The first blow was the death of triggerman, Robert Rhodes who died a year after he admitted to a lifetime occupation as a killer of thousands of unprofitable racing greyhounds. Rhodes had identified four Florida greyhound trainers as co-conspirators. A judge ruled earlier this month that Rhodes' death rendered his testimony against the others inadmissible. Co-defendant, Clarence Patterson, now refuses to substantiate statements he previously made against the other three. Consequently, charges have been dropped against defendants: Ursula O'Donnell, Paul Discolo Jr. and John Wilson Smith. It is doubtful that Whetstone will exercise his option to prosecute Patterson based on earlier self-incriminating statements he made to authorities.

"Although nearly 20,000 greyhounds disappear every year, the Rhodes case was the most visible, large scale greyhound-killing case to go public in years," said Greyhound Protection League President, Susan Netboy. "The case has been closely followed by everyone in the industry and, in the end, the only message that's been sent is that racing greyhounds can be killed with impunity. Sadly, the only justice for these poor dogs is that Rhodes didn't take his terrible secret to his grave."

The Greyhound Protection League considers the Alabama legislatures' recent passage of a bill that exempts illegal greyhound killing from the felony animal abuse statute as a reflection of the State's utter disregard for the welfare of its racing greyhounds. Netboy points out that Alabama is home to three dog tracks none of which makes a credible effort to find homes for the thousands of racing greyhounds that flow through its dog tracks annually.

Citing the recent airing of a national television expose that focused on the mass euthanasia of greyhounds near the Mobile track and the Rhodes case, Netboy says: "Alabama has taken center stage as one of the nation's worst offenders in its lack of concern for the lives of racing greyhounds."

The Greyhound Protection League is a California based, national, greyhound welfare organization.

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JULY 2005 LETTER TO THE EDITOR

Jul 28, 2005 - Dear Editor,

While the Star’s July 24th premise that greyhounds at Tucson Greyhound Park (TGP) suffer from neglect solely because of a decline in racing revenue appears logical on the surface, other factors are borne out by my personal experiences with Tucson greyhounds and by documented facts.

Our adoption organization, Greyhound Friends For Life, rescued several hundred greyhounds that came directly from TGP to California from 1991 through 1997. The greyhounds were consistently in poor condition and infested with fleas, ticks and internal parasites when they arrived.

News reports and court records document the following:

1991, a hundred starving greyhounds were seized from a Tucson kennel operator.

1992, seven neglected greyhounds were seized by animal control.

During the 1990’s, dozens of Tucson greyhounds were sold for research and truckloads of greyhounds were routinely euthanized at Pima County Animal Control.

Sadly, since the track’s heyday in the early 1990’s through to the present, TGP greyhounds have been rewarded for their service with substandard care, abuse and death.

Susan Netboy, Founder
Greyhound Friends For Life
PO Box 669
Penn Valley, CA 95946

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2007, 06:07:16 PM »
wow

I read that greyhounds actually run differently than other dogs, the gait is different.


Flower what does your post have to do with anything?  Some (most) greyhounds are mistreated, that is bad, surely though you don't intend to condemn all sight hounds because of this?

  I'm not condemning the dog, just the racing of them at racetracks because they are treated disposable. 

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2007, 06:14:06 PM »

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2007, 07:13:54 PM »
Partial to ABs myself.....

http://www.kiwsabs.com/icon/icon_main.htm

thats the way a bulldog should look, not like most of the so called bulldogs today who are so grossly deformed they can barely get around.

Still though, imagine that dog with myostatin switched off.  game over lights out.

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2007, 07:16:29 PM »
I already have a Greyhound.  Yes this is true about their muscles.  Another neat fact is that they run solely on ATP and not Oxygen during the inital part of their sprints.  We don`t have that ability.

My grey is a champion racer, Mambo King aka Darwin, has WAY more muscle than any dog.

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2007, 07:18:45 PM »
Common Myth #7: Greyhounds are not dogs. They are actually cyborg robots sent by aliens from Alpha Centauri to invade human sleeping spaces and thereby deprive us of sleep so that we don't notice the Alpha Centaurians when they raid our washing machines and steal one sock from each pair of argyles they find. This is not a common myth at all. We just made it up because we wanted to have seven myths on this list. (But think about it...)



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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2007, 07:29:12 AM »
  I'm not condemning the dog, just the racing of them at racetracks because they are treated disposable. 

exactly,

When money and animals are involved you can rest assured that somehow somewhere the animals are being hurt. To these people animals are disposable, money making objects with no sentinence, not value, no worth, other than for their own advancement and gain.
 
It is a shame Adonis is acting like a paid shell for the Greyhound industry.

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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2007, 09:34:24 AM »
exactly,

When money and animals are involved you can rest assured that somehow somewhere the animals are being hurt. To these people animals are disposable, money making objects with no sentinence, not value, no worth, other than for their own advancement and gain.
 
It is a shame Adonis is acting like a paid shell for the Greyhound industry.
NYCBULL, give me your number if you are ever in the area I would like you to come check out some FACTS about Greyhounds.  You have been misled and so has the general public.

Actually, you can go visit any farm freely and you will see the truth.  Don`t believe the propaganda.  I am a staunch supporter of animal rights and believe that they should be considered under the same Laws and protections as humans.  I believe animals should have complete and full equal rights.


Greyhounds love nothing more than to run and race.  They are HIGHLY competitive as are the snow dogs in the Iditarod.  It breaks their heart if they cannot run.

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2007, 09:42:23 AM »
Click to get to links supporting the DISAPPEARANCE of "retired" racing greyhounds.

http://www.greyhounds.org/gpl/contents/reward/



 The reward is now at $10,238

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Re: MYOSTATIN MUTANT DOGS (whippets, and maybe greyhounds)
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2007, 09:47:59 AM »
February 23, 2006
To: Colorado Division of Racing
Attn: Mr. Dan Hartman
From: Susan Netboy

Re: Tucson Greyhound Park’s use of Colorado as a “dumping ground” for uncompetitive racing greyhounds.

Dear Mr. Hartman,
Based on reports we have received from a number of unrelated sources, the Greyhound Protection League has been conducting an inquiry into the activities of your licensee, Richard Favreau. Mr. Favreau has apparently entered into business dealings with Tucson Greyhound Park (TGP) management to assist them in their efforts to “get rid” of greyhounds that are no longer profitable at their Arizona racing facility.Having exhausted the capacity of Mexican dog tracks to absorb their excess pets, TGP is now using nearby racing states and the services of people like Mr. Favreau to relieve themselves of their ethical responsibilities to their grade-offs.

We have been advised that over the last few months as many as 100 Tucson greyhounds have been transported by Mr. Favreau to his property in Calhan, Colorado, where he operates a breeding and training facility. To date, there is no reliable verification as to what has happened to these greyhounds.
We are also aware that this past weekend, Mr. Favreau and an associate transported an additional 30 greyhounds from the Tucson kennel compound to his Colorado facility.

TGP management claims that they are sending their greyhounds to Colorado for adoption. If this is the case, TGP management, Mr. Favreau, and the Colorado adoption organizations should be able to provide documentation on each of the greyhounds that have been hauled from the Tucson racing facility by Mr. Favreau.

While we would question the wisdom of hauling pet greyhounds to a racing state that already has an overabundance of greyhounds, we would none-the-less applaud any sincere effort to save the lives of greyhounds. However, if the greyhounds were hauled out of Arizona so that they would “disappear”, be sold for rabbit or coyote hunting, for medical research, or some other unacceptable fate, we would find it necessary to intervene. Since no reasonable explanation has as yet been set forth, we find it necessary to request your assistance.

The Greyhound Protection League is herein submitting a formal request that your agency open an investigation into the final disposition of TGP greyhounds that are ending up in your jurisdiction. We would appreciate your obtaining and forwarding to us the following information:

1. Disposition records including full identification of all the greyhounds that have been hauled out of TGP kennel facilities by Mr. Favreau or his associates.
2. A sworn statement from Mr. Favreau as to the whereabouts of the TGP greyhounds that he hauled out of Tucson.
3. A verifiable accounting of where each of those greyhounds is currently located.
4. Ownership and identification of all greyhounds currently on the Favreau property.
5. An assessment of the condition of the greyhounds and Mr. Favreau’s ability to properly care for animals on his property.
6. A sworn statement from Mr. Favreau regarding what he intends to do with the TGP greyhounds housed on his property.

We greatly appreciate your looking into this matter and look forward to hearing from you. Please feel free to call me if you have any questions or if I can be of any assistance.

Sincerely,

Susan Netboy, President
Greyhound Protection League
530.432.1391