Why does this upset you so?

[Hustle Man]

I have been reading many opinions and comments on the subject of who believes in what and what is truth as it pertains to religion?
It seems that the so called strong minded individuals (The non-Christians. etc.) have a hard time with the so called weak minded individuals (Believers in Jesus) and what they purport to believe.
Why does this upset so many so called "unbelievers?" Are you trying to make us change or become unbelievers and if so why would you endeavor to do so?

What is your goal here “on getbig” and do you wish everyone would keep their beliefs to themselves or just not talk about Christianity?

[Colossus_500]

I have been reading many opinions and comments on the subject of who believes in what and what is truth as it pertains to religion?
It seems that the so called strong minded individuals (The non-Christians. etc.) have a hard time with the so called weak minded individuals (Believers in Jesus) and what they purport to believe.
Why does this upset so many so called "unbelievers?" Are you trying to make us change or become unbelievers and if so why would you endeavor to do so?

What is your goal here “on getbig” and do you wish everyone would keep their beliefs to themselves or just not talk about Christianity?

I hear ya, Hustle Man.  I've had people get upset at me just for praying for them.  To me, that's just a rebellious spirit within a person who has not ever experienced the true relationship with God. 

The thing that makes me laugh the most is how people say that their faith should be private.  In truth, nowhere in scripture does it say to "keep your faith to yourself".  But rather, we're mandated (part of the greatest commandment) to tell others the Gospel and how the battle has been one, Christ overcame death, so that we wouldn't have to be condemned. 

We just have to keep the hardened hearts lifted up in prayer. 

[Always Sore]

You can be strong minded and be a christian. Just as you can be weak minded. The difference is IMHO belief without questions or understanding or knowledge. Just because somebody took you to chuch does not mean they are right. Unless you are willing to look around and learn for yourself instead of blindly following the herd then you are a sheep. Orginised religion IMO is no different then a AA meeting. It's a bunch of people proping up there selves in a belief that they are right. If you need others to support your belief in god then IMO your a sheep.

I can pray and talk with God without a support system. If you like the group thing or being with like minded people good for you, but IMO I have found more racism,sexism,and any other exclusionism in chuch people more so then any other group.I can have my belief and talk about it to others without getting so upset I can't see those people. I leave judgement to god.I have no patience with people that have no grasp of the word tolerance.

Sorry for the rant.

[Migs]

i whole heartedly agree.

One of my sisters was i guess "born-again" or whatever.  She went to the Charles Stanley church etc.  then all of a sudden stopped going there and is now going to catholic church.  Mostly because i think she's been talking to a guy that is catholic.  theis to me is that follow the leader mentality.  I'm glad she is experiencing differences, but am skeptical as to the reasons.

[Colossus_500]

I have no patience with people that have no grasp of the word tolerance.

But this statement alone is a judgement, is it not?     To have no patience means to be intolerant or to be bigoted. 

[Always Sore]

But this statement alone is a judgement, is it not.     To have no patience means to be intolerant or to be bigoted. 

Sorry I was speaking about judging people based on religion and there choice. IE "you don't think like I do therefor you are wrong per this book I am holding." I am more free in the belief that I may not have all the answers and I can give you my opinion and base it regarding to me but to then think your less if you choose something different is wrong.

I am judgemental and intolerant and flawed to a great extent, I am human and it is expected of me. I work each day to be the person I am expect to but god IMHO knows whats in my heart and understand when and why I fail.

That is why I am intolerant of others who do not have the capicity of being tolerant to others because they may think or believe something else.I am not a finished product nor claim to be.

[Colossus_500]

Sorry I was speaking about judging people based on religion and there choice. IE "you don't think like I do therefor you are wrong per this book I am holding." I am more free in the belief that I may not have all the answers and I can give you my opinion and base it regarding to me but to then think your less if you choose something different is wrong.

I am judgemental and intolerant and flawed to a great extent, I am human and it is expected of me. I work each day to be the person I am expect to but god IMHO knows whats in my heart and understand when and why I fail.

That is why I am intolerant of others who do not have the capicity of being tolerant to others because they may think or believe something else.I am not a finished product nor claim to be.

None of us are finished products, bro.  We are all a work in progress.  Even the ones who think they're better than the guy standing next to them.   

[OzmO]

I have been reading many opinions and comments on the subject of who believes in what and what is truth as it pertains to religion?
It seems that the so called strong minded individuals (The non-Christians. etc.) have a hard time with the so called weak minded individuals (Believers in Jesus) and what they purport to believe.
Why does this upset so many so called "unbelievers?" Are you trying to make us change or become unbelievers and if so why would you endeavor to do so?

What is your goal here “on getbig” and do you wish everyone would keep their beliefs to themselves or just not talk about Christianity?

I see a full spectrum of weak and strong minded people in  organized religion, unorganized religion and people who don;t believe in GOD.

I think only a very small percentage of people will ever change their beliefs on this board.   The object is to debate and discuss religion, not to convert.  So when i refute someone's assertion by yelling BS or what ever, it's in that spirit only.  I won't turn a blind eye to logic and reason which is something i see many "self righteous believers" do in combination with judging and condemning.

[Colossus_500]

I won't turn a blind eye to logic and reason which is something i see many "self righteous believers" do in combination with judging and condemning.

I was wondering when you were gonna jump in on this conversation.   

Question: aren't you judging and condemning with this statement? 

[Always Sore]

I was wondering when you were gonna jump in on this conversation.   

Question: aren't you judging and condemning with this statement? 

Thought police...

[Colossus_500]

Thought police...

lol  I thought about it before I even posted.  lol     I thought for sure someone would bring it up.  hahahaha

[Hustle Man]

I see a full spectrum of weak and strong minded people in  organized religion, unorganized religion and people who don;t believe in GOD.

I think only a very small percentage of people will ever change their beliefs on this board.   The object is to debate and discuss religion, not to convert.  So when i refute someone's assertion by yelling BS or what ever, it's in that spirit only.  I won't turn a blind eye to logic and reason which is something i see many "self righteous believers" do in combination with judging and condemning.

I have noticed that you throw the term "belief/believe in God" around alot, Whom are you referring to when you say "God" I am curious?

See most people I have talked to have no problem with me inserting "God" into my comments or statements but let me say "Jesus" then the fight is on.

Why is this?

[OzmO]

I was wondering when you were gonna jump in on this conversation.   

Question: aren't you judging and condemning with this statement? 

I suppose you are right if you take into account the pure meanings of the terms.

The main point of the that statement is the logic and reason part.   When we turn a blind to it AND THEN condem and judge.

[OzmO]

I have noticed that you throw the term "belief/believe in God" around alot, Whom are you referring to when you say "God" I am curious?

See most people I have talked to have no problem with me inserting "God" into my comments or statements but let me say "Jesus" then the fight is on.

Why is this?

I am referring to "God".

I don't have a problem of you inserting Jesus.....after all God is inside all of us...

I do have a problem with you stating the "Bible" is the 100% word of God if that is in fact what you say....for then i will debate these things with you.  But i will never debate the existence of God or his existence in side all of us.

[Hustle Man]

I am referring to "God". I can only assume that you believe Jesus is God also?

I don't have a problem of you inserting Jesus.....after all God is inside all of us... I need a reference for this please

I do have a problem with you stating the "Bible" is the 100% word of God if that is in fact what you say....for then i will debate these things with you.  What other word of God do you know of, hence the previous question ...Whom are you referring to when you say "God"?

[Always Sore]

I am referring to "God".

I don't have a problem of you inserting Jesus.....after all God is inside all of us...

I do have a problem with you stating the "Bible" is the 100% word of God if that is in fact what you say....for then i will debate these things with you.  But i will never debate the existence of God or his existence in side all of us.

Prayer for me is 100% Belief is 100% a book written by men to control men is a good read.

[Colossus_500]

I suppose you are right if you take into account the pure meanings of the terms.

The main point of the that statement is the logic and reason part.   When we turn a blind to it AND THEN condem and judge.

When you debate the validity of the Bible, you argue because of the literal terminology, right?  But you are right, the blind eye is what precedes condemnation.

[Colossus_500]

Prayer for me is 100% Belief is 100% a book written by men to control men is a good read.

Even if you were to read the bible as a historical document you'd have to come to the conclusion that these "men" were inspired to write based on the one that you believe in and pray to with 100% conviction.  Would you agree to that?

[OzmO]

When you debate the validity of the Bible, you argue because of the literal terminology, right?  But you are right, the blind eye is what precedes condemnation.

Not entirely.  My main contention is some of the "god" described in the Bible isn't God, it contradicts its self,  and therefor the bible isn't the 100% WOG.

[Colossus_500]

Not entirely.  My main contention is some of the "god" described in the Bible isn't God, it contradicts its self,  and therefor the bible isn't the 100% WOG.

But you use literal terms of scripture to come to the conclusion that it's contradictory, don't you?

[OzmO]

Whether the Biblical story of our creation is true or not, God did make us right? If he did make us, how can he not be inside us?   It's just some of us are less in touch with it than others. 

What other WOG to i refer to?   there is plenty WOG in the Bible as in many other religious texts from other religions.   

All have some truth but none have all truth.

[OzmO]

But you use literal terms of scripture to come to the conclusion that it's contradictory, don't you?

Yes just as those same terms are used to "justify salvation, identify sin, and condemn others.

[Always Sore]

Even if you were to read the bible as a historical document you'd have to come to the conclusion that these "men" were inspired to write based on the one that you believe in and pray to with 100% conviction.  Would you agree to that?

They may have been inspired but to many fingers are in the cake now. I think the bible is a tool. nothing more or less. without action a tool is useless. without a tool you can't build. without thought of the grand desire you have no idea when to start and stop.It's part of the process not the process. It's a outline for a story not the book of life. It sets you on the path but you need action to walk it.

[Hustle Man]

Not entirely.  My main contention is some of the "god" described in the Bible isn't God, it contradicts its self,  and therefor the bible isn't the 100% WOG.

What percent of the bible is WOG and which is not WOG? Which God do you pray to the lower or higher percent God?

[Hustle Man]

This is the only verse that I know of that one could argue that one of the writters took ownership of a portion of scripture btu even this came be explained biblically.

1 Corinthians 7:12
To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.