Disaster after following the TA principles.

[danielson]

if you were at 200lbs and 12% you were probably the best developed natural bodybuilder in the world.  You had more muscle then Zane did in contest shape.

please take a second to think

Dude, you are not even close. The guy I am training for the Mr. Getbig is 227 and much lower than 12%, and a lifetime natural. Where did this theory come from that natties can't be big? They just need to work a long time and have a sweet trainer like me.

[Matt C]

if you were at 200lbs and 12% you were probably the best developed natural bodybuilder in the world.  You had more muscle then Zane did in contest shape.

please take a second to think

ok ok...

16% 

[The Enigma]

What is my body fat right now?  Maybe 12-14% of somewhere in there?  I would say I lost muscle in exact accordance with those figures.  Meaning that 12-14% of what I lost was fat, some was water, and the rest was muscle.  Over 10 pounds of muscle lost?  Sure, I don't see why not.

Unless you have a Mitchrondrial Myopathy or another Type of Dystrophy, I can't see where you'd loose all that muscle.

[shiftedShapes]

ok ok...

16% 

post a pic and your height

I doubt that you would be over 155 in contest shape (unless you are over 6'0" you would probably weigh less).

[danielson]

Why do you guys think a lifetime natty under 6 feet can't be over 200 pounds lean(sub 6%) anyway?

[shiftedShapes]

Why do you guys think a lifetime natty under 6 feet can't be over 200 pounds lean(sub 6%) anyway?

because I have never seen any even close to that

[danielson]

because I have never seen any even close to that

Doesn't mean it is impossible. Like I said earlier, my buddy joined here and is going to enter the Getbig contest. He will win it easily, it will be a joke actually comparing him to the other guys, but once and for all this "myth" will be shattered. He will be over 200 at 5'11, between 4 and 6%. It may be rare, but it is far from impossible.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152296.0

[shiftedShapes]

Doesn't mean it is impossible. Like I said earlier, my buddy joined here and is going to enter the Getbig contest. He will win it easily, it will be a joke actually comparing him to the other guys, but once and for all this "myth" will be shattered. He will be over 200 at 5'11, between 4 and 6%. It may be rare, but it is far from impossible.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152296.0

right he weighs 17 pounds more than Zane at the same height, and he's natural

[The Master]

right he weighs 17 pounds more than Zane at the same height, and he's natural

Do you think Layne Norton is natural?

[danielson]

right he weighs 17 pounds more than Zane at the same height, and he's natural

He's natural, I don't know what Zane weighed but his legs didn't carry too much weight.

[Hedgehog]

Layne and high protein...

You thought otherwise which is unfortunate.
Go ahead and waste your time with your Macro balance.  It won`t help keep you from looking the same as you did last year and the year before that.
Post pictures from each year so we all can see what I mean.

The fact is, you have been wasting your time and look the same, which is a bit on the obese side, year after year. 

Yep.  And he used to believe in HIGH PROTEIN.  Good thing that Layne finally realized that.  It is a shame that it took so long.

What do you mean "used to"?

And do you or do you not recommend a beer only diet:


do you recommend it:

if a calorie is just a calorie ,how about a only '' beer'' diet

That works just fine.

or do you NOT recommend it:

You wouldn`t, but you could survive on it.
I don`t recommend it at all.

-Hedge

[Camel Jockey]

Maybe VinceG is an Adonis principles advocate? 

[jason armstrong]

Doesn't mean it is impossible. Like I said earlier, my buddy joined here and is going to enter the Getbig contest. He will win it easily, it will be a joke actually comparing him to the other guys, but once and for all this "myth" will be shattered. He will be over 200 at 5'11, between 4 and 6%. It may be rare, but it is far from impossible.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152296.0

anus won't even make the top 5 or compete he knows he is going to lose big time.
there still are a few guys out there entering the show and make anus look like the can of squashed assholes he is...

squadfather/sarcasm you are a fat piece of shit...hope that helps PIG.

[Matt C]

post a pic and your height

I doubt that you would be over 155 in contest shape (unless you are over 6'0" you would probably weigh less).

I think I could be 165 in contest shape.  I am Jay Cutler's height.

[Bast000]

I think I could be 165 in contest shape.  I am Jay Cutler's height.

I don't think so.  You'd be 'ripped' at 165 but not contest shape.

[WhiteCastle]

I have to take back what I originally said after rereading the original post that started this whole thing.  The TA approach probably did set you back.  For some reason, I didn't realize that you were dieting down, not adding mass.  If you were trying to add mass without gear, I don't think protein intake above 100g or so would make a difference.  But if you are trying to reduce fat and maintain lean mass, then an increased protien-to-other-macros ratio does make a difference.  The research does back this up and this effect is pretty robust (meaning it has been replicated often).

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/135/8/1903         (free full text article)

"This study demonstrated that a diet with higher protein and reduced carbohydrates combined with exercise additively improved body composition during weight loss, whereas the effects on blood lipids differed between diet treatments."   The effect of the increased protein was not significantly (p<0.05)different from the other diet, but the p-value was 0.10, meaning that the odds of finding at least that reduction in body fat with the maintenance of lean muscle due to chance only would be 10%.  The confidence interval shows that the increase in protein most likely decreases fat moreso than the more carb diet.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/135/5/1196  (free full text article)

In a nutshell, higher protein diets were correlated with decreased fat on abs.


http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9  (free full text article)

You may notice that this last article does support the idea that "a calorie is not a calorie."  IMO, a calorie is a calorie might be an ok idea for when you are not trying to decrease overall mass, but I wouldn't reccomend it wen dieting down.

[Camel Jockey]

TA's so called 'principles' are garbage.

The guy is smart, has an iron will, but advocates total nonsense.

[Matt C]

One week after resuming my regular diet:

[The Master]

One week after resuming my regular diet:

Do you realize how wrong that picture is??

[Matt C]

Do you realize how wrong that picture is??

Are you suggesting that posting a greasy picture of myself posing in my underwear isn't the most heterosexual thing I can do? 

[The Master]

Are you suggesting that posting a greasy picture of myself posing in my underwear isn't the most heterosexual thing I can do? 

Brutal "1 step away from gay4pay" picture.

[ManBearPig...]

let's spam layne's mailbox with requests for him to speak on this.

Layne E Norton - lnorton2@uiuc.edu

                           alias: lnorton2
                            name: norton layne e
                     pretty_name: layne e norton
                      first_name: layne
                     middle_name: e
                       last_name: norton
                           email: lnorton2@express.cites.uiuc.edu
         student_department_name: Nutritional Sciences
            student_program_name: PHD:Nutritional Sciences -UIUC
       student_level_descriptio n: Graduate - Urbana-Champaign
              student_major_name: Nutritional Sciences
                           phone: (812) 423-3222
                         address: 430 bevier hall
                                : mc 182
                                : 905 s goodwin
                                : urbana, il  61801
                  office_address: 430 bevier hall
                                : mc 182
                                : 905 s goodwin
                                : urbana, il  61801
                           title: predoc fellow, nutritional sciences
                      department: fellowships
                            type: person phone student

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Are you suggesting that posting a greasy picture of myself posing in my underwear isn't the most heterosexual thing I can do? 

No difference...

[Camel Jockey]

One week after resuming my regular diet:

Dude, atleast hit a nice pose from a good angle.. 

[Rimbaud]

What happened to True Adonis's all McDonald's diet that was supposed to happen this year. I thought there was supposed to be pics, videos, & reciepts. I guess that was bullshit huh?