Disaster after following the TA principles.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

So Bug.....what is your daily average intake?

anywhere from 2000-6000 right now hahah i look like shit but i was motivated to lean out again from the new pictures i found of whitacre on the ocb site. Check these out. Think they were a few weeks out. Notice how he is probably 20 pounds heavier in these and still ripped. The final product is not due to muscle loss but the loss of fluid and fat imbedded imbetween muscle.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

More getting leaner

[The_Leafy_Bug]

heres jrods diet


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=101414.msg1592903#msg1592903

he goes on to say he never cheats

Thx affy.. As for the pictures below that cut was from 200 down to 160 i believe. People do not realize how much fat they have on their bodies.

[Stavios]

that guy looks fucking great

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I guess that's a fair statement to make considering I followed TA's principles for two months, but there isn't a single member on this board who considers me to be less intelligent than you, so what does that say about yourself? 

It's not a matter of intelligence but a matter of being gullible. You are so afraid of losing muscle you are unwilling to listen to logic.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

that guy looks fucking great

Yeah... it's pretty insane. I'd even be willing to say this guy is sharper then munzer. I would kill to be able to get into that kind of condition for a show. Adding steroids to the equation complicates things.

[Krankenstein]

anywhere from 2000-6000 right now hahah i look like shit but i was motivated to lean out again from the new pictures i found of whitacre on the ocb site. Check these out. Think they were a few weeks out. Notice how he is probably 20 pounds heavier in these and still ripped. The final product is not due to muscle loss but the loss of fluid and fat imbedded imbetween muscle.

Ok....so, I made a post in another thread assuming that you ate 1500 per day.  Care to take on a challenge to go with your statement that the time between meals doesnt mean anything?

[Krankenstein]

The final product is not due to muscle loss but the loss of fluid and fat imbedded imbetween muscle.

Once again.....your claim of no muscle loss?  The FIBERS may still be there....but contents of which may not be.  So, PROVE to us that exercise and hypocaloric proteolysis does NOT occur.

[MAXX]

fuck TA. he's only fucking with your minds to win mr getbig..

high protein diet is the only way to go for a bb'er

cant belive you fell for it matt

[The_Leafy_Bug]

fuck TA. he's only fucking with your minds to win mr getbig..

high protein diet is the only way to go for a bb'er

cant belive you fell for it matt

I dieted down on "junk" before. High protien is not the only way to go. If you weren't so closed minded and tried things once in a while you would see.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Ok....so, I made a post in another thread assuming that you ate 1500 per day.  Care to take on a challenge to go with your statement that the time between meals doesnt mean anything?

I will accept your challenge but it will be in a few months....

[MAXX]

I dieted down on "junk" before. High protien is not the only way to go. If you weren't so closed minded and tried things once in a while you would see.

shut up

ofc you can diet on junk aslong as your totall energy intake is lower than your consumption

but you will lose muscles on it since the protein intake will be way low with such a diet.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

shut up

ofc you can diet on junk aslong as your totall energy intake is lower than your consumption

but you will lose muscles on it since the protein intake will be way low with such a diet.

Muscle size is not dependent on protien intake. You are delusional.

[MAXX]

Muscle size is not dependent on protien intake. You are delusional.

i belive you need a high protein intake when cutting not to lose muscle.

guess im delusional then 

[shiftedShapes]

shut up

ofc you can diet on junk aslong as your totall energy intake is lower than your consumption

but you will lose muscles on it since the protein intake will be way low with such a diet.

these people have the demeanor of violent retards.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

i belive you need a high protein intake when cutting not to lose muscle.

guess im delusional then 

It's been proven in studies. You are listening to myth and lore instead of logic. 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is more then enough and the thermogenic effect of high protien is miniscule.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

these people have the demeanor of violent retards.

Hahahah yes, notice i said nothing to insult him and he comes back rude. It's like i just told him he is going to hell for being catholic or something. You would think i just totally offended his way of life.

[shiftedShapes]

i belive you need a high protein intake when cutting not to lose muscle.

guess im delusional then 

you believe it because it has been drilled into your head by people who stand to profit from confusing you.

Hahahah yes, notice i said nothing to insult him and he comes back rude. It's like i just told him he is going to hell for being catholic or something. You would think i just totally offended his way of life.

you did.  he is a bro living the BBing lifestyle to the fullest.

people who have been conned usually react poorly to people who point it out.  They would rather stay in the dark then face the fact that they have been played for fools.

[Hedgehog]

It's been proven in studies. You are listening to myth and lore instead of logic. 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is more then enough and the thermogenic effect of high protien is miniscule.

That is fine and dandy.

Most people on this board agree, and the general consensus among sport nutritionists is that such protein intake is optimal.

FWIW, it's even considered high protein.

Where Abeles gets it all wrong, is when he thinks it is possible "to eat whatever you want".

Abeles claimed he was gonna get on a strictly McDonald's diet for 6-8 months straight, dunno what happened to that? 

-Hedge

[The_Leafy_Bug]

That is fine and dandy.

Most people on this board agree, and the general consensus among sport nutritionists is that such protein intake is optimal.

FWIW, it's even considered high protein.

Where Abeles gets it all wrong, is when he thinks it is possible "to eat whatever you want".

Abeles claimed he was gonna get on a strictly McDonald's diet for 6-8 months straight, dunno what happened to that? 

-Hedge

Believe it or not that is feasible. Just because it is the general consensus doesn't make it is right. Do you vote for someone in a presedential election because they are the most popular? Infact 9 times out of 10 it is the majority that is wrong. A mcdonalds diet consisting ofr 4 meals a day with cardio and weights could be done. What does that enough up being? About like 2200 cals a day with 100 grams of protien?

[shiftedShapes]

Believe it or not that is feasible. Just because it is the general consensus doesn't make it is right. Do you vote for someone in a presedential election because they are the most popular? Infact 9 times out of 10 it is the majority that is wrong. A mcdonalds diet consisting ofr 4 meals a day with cardio and weights could be done. What does that enough up being? About like 2200 cals a day with 100 grams of protien?

the only thing I would worry about is fiber.

Is there anything on the menu with a decent amount of fiber?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

the only thing I would worry about is fiber.

Is there anything on the menu with a decent amount of fiber?

You could get fiber from a pill.

[shiftedShapes]

You could get fiber from a pill.

yeah but then you wouldn't be doing the experiment...remember no supps.

BTW have you tried fiber pills?  Good alternative to whole foods?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

yeah but then you wouldn't be doing the experiment...remember no supps.

BTW have you tried fiber pills?  Good alternative to whole foods?

No, and when i tried the powders there was still no difference. I guess if you were desperate enough to make a weight class you might want to use them.

[Krankenstein]

I will accept your challenge but it will be in a few months....

Why in a few months?  If this is all too easy, you should be able to do this now.   Right?

Also....do you honestly think you can achieve the conditioning that Brian does eating the way Adam suggests?  You should write to Brian and ask how he attained that conditioning....also ask him to comment on your eating plan.  If you guys admire him as you appear to, then you should then have no problem with what he says.