Disaster after following the TA principles.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Why in a few months?  If this is all too easy, you should be able to do this now.   Right?

Also....do you honestly think you can achieve the conditioning that Brian does eating the way Adam suggests?  You should write to Brian and ask how he attained that conditioning....also ask him to comment on your eating plan.  If you guys admire him as you appear to, then you should then have no problem with what he says.

Because im testing another theory i have from about next week on into the end of august so if i do test it then it will be around september.

[Matt C]

fuck TA. he's only fucking with your minds to win mr getbig..

high protein diet is the only way to go for a bb'er

cant belive you fell for it matt

I guess I took a liking to TA since he had some interesting things to say and thought he had enough respect for me not to fuck with me.  He could have messaged me privately and told me not to follow his principles but he had no problem letting me carry on with them.  He might be the kind of person who doesn't care who he hurts.

It's not a matter of intelligence but a matter of being gullible. You are so afraid of losing muscle you are unwilling to listen to logic.

Yes and yes.  But I don't think anyone who saw me in person would say that I looked more muscular when I was lighter.  Truth is, conventional bulking works for me.  Also, I will not be gaining 20 pounds of brand new muscle - any muscle of that 20 pounds of mass that I gain will be old muscle that I am gaining back again.

Check out the pictures below from 2004.  Literally just a few months and 25-30 pounds apart.  There is no way in hell all that I gained in the after picture was just fat.  I am bigger AND leaner in the after picture.  And when I hit 200 I will be bigger and leaner than I am now too.

[pobrecito]

Did you tear your left biceps or do you just have short biceps?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I guess I took a liking to TA since he had some interesting things to say and thought he had enough respect for me not to fuck with me.  He could have messaged me privately and told me not to follow his principles but he had no problem letting me carry on with them.  He might be the kind of person who doesn't care who he hurts.


Yes and yes.  But I don't think anyone who saw me in person would say that I looked more muscular when I was lighter.  Truth is, conventional bulking works for me.  Also, I will not be gaining 20 pounds of brand new muscle - any muscle of that 20 pounds of mass that I gain will be old muscle that I am gaining back again.

Check out the pictures below from 2004.  Literally just a few months and 25-30 pounds apart.  There is no way in hell all that I gained in the after picture was just fat.  I am bigger AND leaner in the after picture.  And when I hit 200 I will be bigger and leaner than I am now too.

Did you not look at the Brian Whitacre pictures i posted? The guy has striations when he weighs 180 pounds but isn't in good shape till he gets into the low 170's. You didn't lose any muscle. I gained 12 pounds in one day. Do you think any of that was muscle? No... If you enjoy carrying around 30-40 pounds of unneccesary fat then be my guest. The point im trying to prove is just because you look smaller in clothes doesn't mean you lost any muscle. You may fool you average joe but you certainly are not fooling anyone on a bodybuilding site.

[Matt C]

pobrecito - my biceps are short.   They are kind of like Kamali's where I have the worst of both worlds: my biceps are both short and lack peak.  My wingspan is 5'10.

Here is another comparison.  These pictures were taken 90 days apart and more proof that I was both bigger and leaner when I put on over 25 pounds in that time:

[Matt C]

Did you not look at the Brian Whitacre pictures i posted? The guy has striations when he weighs 180 pounds but isn't in good shape till he gets into the low 170's. You didn't lose any muscle. I gained 12 pounds in one day. Do you think any of that was muscle? No... If you enjoy carrying around 30-40 pounds of unneccesary fat then be my guest. The point im trying to prove is just because you look smaller in clothes doesn't mean you lost any muscle. You may fool you average joe but you certainly are not fooling anyone on a bodybuilding site.

I think I can handle "30-40 pounds of unnecessary fat"  if that means being over 200 pounds at 5'9 with striations in my delts and split biceps.  In that state, I'm not fat by any stretch of the imagination and actually carry a fair amount of size and am much stronger to boot.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

pobrecito - my biceps are short.   They are kind of like Kamali's where I have the worst of both worlds: my biceps are both short and lack peak.  My wingspan is 5'10.

Here is another comparison.  These pictures were taken 90 days apart and more proof that I was both bigger and leaner when I put on over 25 pounds in that time:

[Matt C]

The_Leafy_Bug - my body burns muscle very efficiently.  I don't see how any objective critic would disagree that I look both bigger and leaner in the heavier pictures.  I don't mind being over 200 pounds in the condition my body naturally tends to.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

The_Leafy_Bug - my body burns muscle very efficiently.  I don't see how any objective critic would disagree that I look both bigger and leaner in the heavier pictures.  I don't mind being over 200 pounds in the condition my body naturally tends to.

Muscle is an inefficient fuel source. There is something your not telling us. Did you stop working out in the period you were cutting on junk? I have cut using the same principles and have no lost an ounce of muscle.

[pobrecito]

Somebody please explain to me how everyday naturals now have shredded glutes, yet before the 1990s, professional bodybuilders using drugs galore, could not achieve that condition?

[Matt C]

Muscle is an inefficient fuel source. There is something your not telling us. Did you stop working out in the period you were cutting on junk? I have cut using the same principles and have no lost an ounce of muscle.

Isn't it possible that certain people respond differently to some things?  The one confounding variable is that I am now using supplements to bulk up and as much as some on here want to deny the effectiveness of creatine, it IS effective.  And don't say SIZEON doesn't work incredibly well until you try it.  As a matter of fact, I will be bringing it to the chemistry lab of my university to see if it is spiked with something hormonal.

Somebody please explain to me how everyday naturals now have shredded glutes, yet before the 1990s, professional bodybuilders using drugs galore, could not achieve that condition?

Not sure exactly.  Advances in dieting?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Isn't it possible that certain people respond differently to some things?  The one confounding variable is that I am now using supplements to bulk up and as much as some on here want to deny the effectiveness of creatine, it IS effective.  And don't say SIZEON doesn't work incredibly well until you try it.  As a matter of fact, I will be bringing it to the chemistry lab of my university to see if it is spiked with something hormonal.

Not sure exactly.  Advances in dieting?

I can tell you right now there is something suspicious with alot of Gasparis products. As for your size difference, you can do an experiment unless you keep everything the same. You can add different variables. All i know is there is something you aren't telling us.

[affy]

Somebody please explain to me how everyday naturals now have shredded glutes, yet before the 1990s, professional bodybuilders using drugs galore, could not achieve that condition?

before the 90s people didn't give a shit about the glutes, so they didn't train to condition them.

glute and ham raises have done wonders...oh ya, and advances in dieting

[pobrecito]

Matt,

why do you hate Yates so much?

Here he is at 291lbs @ 6% bodyfat

[Earl1972]

I guess that's a fair statement to make considering I followed TA's principles for two months, but there isn't a single member on this board who considers me to be less intelligent than you, so what does that say about yourself? 

yes Bast is quite stupid isn't he matt?

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[Camel Jockey]

That is fine and dandy.

Most people on this board agree, and the general consensus among sport nutritionists is that such protein intake is optimal.

FWIW, it's even considered high protein.

Where Abeles gets it all wrong, is when he thinks it is possible "to eat whatever you want".

Abeles claimed he was gonna get on a strictly McDonald's diet for 6-8 months straight, dunno what happened to that? 

-Hedge

I think Adonis doesn't seem to realize the adverse affects of his own diet principles. I mean bulked up he looked pretty big, but when cut he seemed to lose quite a bit of muscle. Same has happened with daddywaddy. Calorie is a calorie and you can cut on reduced calories.. But to say protein is insignificant is stupid and goes against every sports nutrition norm.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I think Adonis doesn't seem to realize the adverse affects of his own diet principles. I mean bulked up he looked pretty big, but when cut he seemed to lose quite a bit of muscle. Same has happened with daddywaddy. Calorie is a calorie and you can cut on reduced calories.. But to say protein is insignificant is stupid and goes against every sports nutrition norm.

Wow... you havent read a damn thing. You are like a lost child who wanders into a movie theatre and wants to know about the plot. I don't have the energy to reexplain everything to you.

[Camel Jockey]

Wow... you havent read a damn thing. You are like a lost child who wanders into a movie theatre and wants to know about the plot. I don't have the energy to reexplain everything to you.

Oh no.. What happened? Did me insulting your hero touch a nerve? 

[shiftedShapes]

I think I can handle "30-40 pounds of unnecessary fat"  if that means being over 200 pounds at 5'9 with striations in my delts and split biceps.  In that state, I'm not fat by any stretch of the imagination and actually carry a fair amount of size and am much stronger to boot.

This is pathetic you're sacrificing your health just so you can obfuscate your lack of muscle with a layer of fat.

why don't you just come to grips with your lack of size and slowly build up lean mass.  Choosing to maintain denial over health is a sure sign that you need therapy.

[shiftedShapes]

Oh no.. What happened? Did me insulting your hero touch a nerve? 

no he was exasperated by your idiocy

I can sympathize

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Oh no.. What happened? Did me insulting your hero touch a nerve? 

No, your ignorance touched a nerve.

[The Master]

This is pathetic you're sacrificing your health just so you can obfuscate your lack of muscle with a layer of fat.

why don't you just come to grips with your lack of size and slowly build up lean mass.  Choosing to maintain denial over health is a sure sign that you need therapy.

Being 16 - 18% bf does not pose a health risk for young healthy people.

[Camel Jockey]

no he was exasperated by your idiocy

I can sympathize

He and his idol have no proof.. I mean Adonis even resorted to attacking Layne Norton when someone pointed our his recommendation of one gram of protein per pound of body weight. Saying Norton is invalid because he's religious.

And I posted a lot at the start of this topic.

No, your ignorance touched a nerve.

Same idiot who says he gained on 800 calories a day. You're the idiot.

[shiftedShapes]

Being 16 - 18% bf does not pose a health risk for young healthy people.

first Matt is well over that

second it is much healthier to eat less, you will extend your lifespan by 20% or more.

[The Master]

first Matt is well over that

second it is much healthier to eat less, you will extend your lifespan by 20% or more.

That's speculation.