Disaster after following the TA principles.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Yet, if you guys want to utilize your "long life" argument, you better stay away from the insulin triggers since insulin speeds up cell replication, which is a sure factor for aging, along with perhaps being the reason for the shortened lifespan of the mice. Thus, eating only candy and shit, but staying below baseline might not help you live longer at all.

I somewhat agree as i have thought about this myself but since the glycemic index isnt even recognized by the ADA id imagine that eating candy = to the ammount of oatmeal would make no difference.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

That is untrue. I promise you that if one were to eat only chicken breast they would live for quite a long time. Minerals like Iron are deficient in chicken so that would be a limiting factor. Eat only cardboard and you'll be dead with in a week.

Naturally a chicken breast has more nutrients in it then a cardboard but if i were to have a multivitamin with it and depending if carbboard is a safe edible food source with carbohydrates i would pick the card board.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

That's because protein contains nitrogen. Your body needs nitrogen to function. Cake does not have enough nitrogen in it. There are also some amino acids found in dietary protein that humans cannot make within their bodies.

Agreed... like i said though i wouldnt go without meeting the RDA//RDI

[Bast000]

I somewhat agree as i have thought about this myself but since the glycemic index isnt even recognized by the ADA id imagine that eating candy = to the ammount of oatmeal would make no difference.

Correct.  Plus since we do not overeat, and we probably get more fat than most dieters, our carb intake isn't overly high.

[climber]

Naturally a chicken breast has more nutrients in it then a cardboard but if i were to have a multivitamin with it and depending if carbboard is a safe edible food source with carbohydrates i would pick the card board.

Grrr, you cannot digest any glucose that is in the cellulose polymer in cardboard. You will die a quick death of starvation vitamins or not.

Trust me, I'm a Masters chemistry research student.

[ManBearPig...]

Some protein is needed for muscle synthesis.

you're saying "some" again.  saying you only need 50 grams for muscle synthesis without proof makes you no better than those that say you need 250 a day.  we're not talking survival nutrition, we're talking muscle building/muscle growth nutrition.

how many calories do you eat a day?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Grrr, you cannot digest any glucose that is in the cellulose polymer in cardboard. You will die a quick death of starvation vitamins or not.

Well then you have to put up an equally edible and safe food source. Beside you guys are over analyzing it. The point its a mcdonalds diet has enough nutrients to make cutting succesful as cutting on chicken breast and oatmeal.

[Krankenstein]

Because you would be mal nourished..... Seriously man are you thinking before you post. You are getting owned by a 20 year old kid with 2 years of bodybuilding experience. Don't you have alot of experience in this?

You think you are owning me?  Please, re-think that theory as well.  You havent proven anything to me.  You have spouted off things that Adam has said and nothing more.  You havent shown one pice of concrete evidence to support what you say.  I just showed you a study that revealed that more fat-free mass was maintained with a macr-nutrient profile you claim isnt great.  You think I dont know what fat free mass could be?  How about blood, how about soft tissue (blood vessels, brain matter), cardiac muscle, smooth muscle, how about cerebral spinal fluid?  Shall I go on with a list of things that are NOT fat? 

You're going on and on with what is 'optimal' eating...yet you are trying something entirely different as an experiment?  That means you dont believe that what you WERE doing was optimal.

Again, ask Brian Whitacre what he did for eating.  You were so high on what he looked like and beefed up the fact that he weight 180lbs or so....yet the very thing you talk about (higher calorie, higher protein, meal timing) is EXACTLY what he does.  Are you selective about what you like about him?  You like his appearance but yet would most likely state that the way he does it is wrong?  I guarantee you that if you tried to eat the way the "TA principle way" states you would get blown away on stage.

[garraeth]

y u waste your time arguing?

[The Master]

y u waste your time arguing?

Getbig = arguing + owning.

There = no fun if everybody -> friendly.

 

[The_Leafy_Bug]

You think you are owning me?  Please, re-think that theory as well.  You havent proven anything to me.  You have spouted off things that Adam has said and nothing more.  You havent shown one pice of concrete evidence to support what you say.  I just showed you a study that revealed that more fat-free mass was maintained with a macr-nutrient profile you claim isnt great.  You think I dont know what fat free mass could be?  How about blood, how about soft tissue (blood vessels, brain matter), cardiac muscle, smooth muscle, how about cerebral spinal fluid?  Shall I go on with a list of things that are NOT fat? 

You're going on and on with what is 'optimal' eating...yet you are trying something entirely different as an experiment?  That means you dont believe that what you WERE doing was optimal.

Again, ask Brian Whitacre what he did for eating.  You were so high on what he looked like and beefed up the fact that he weight 180lbs or so....yet the very thing you talk about (higher calorie, higher protein, meal timing) is EXACTLY what he does.  Are you selective about what you like about him?  You like his appearance but yet would most likely state that the way he does it is wrong?  I guarantee you that if you tried to eat the way the "TA principle way" states you would get blown away on stage.

I never said solid mcdonalds was optimal. Ass for the fatfree mass, thx for proving my point. There will be no muscle gained or lost in that short of a period of time. I have done a 12 pound carb up and looked exactly the same..... My god.... are you telling me not 1 of those 12 pounds gained was muscle? Correct.... People are confusing water movement with muscle gain and loss. Most people have no more then 40 pound of muscle on their body. You can go to Lee Haneys site and ask him if you want. He recommends getting 1 gram of protien per pound of MUSCLE... not BODY WEIGHT. He even makes this clear. If you won't listen to me, and you won't listen to a Mr. Olympia, and you wont listen to science and logic then im afraid we will have to cut this argument short because apparently im not getting through.

[Bast000]

you're saying "some" again.  saying you only need 50 grams for muscle synthesis without proof makes you no better than those that say you need 250 a day.  we're not talking survival nutrition, we're talking muscle building/muscle growth nutrition.

how many calories do you eat a day?

Because I experimented basically.  I went from 275g a day, and gradually went down to 50-100 without negative consequences.  I was able to eat more carbs so I felt better and was actually stronger while dieting.

I think you should eat 9-11 calories per pound of body weight to diet.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

y u waste your time arguing?

Exactly, which is why im about threw with this. I think ill study for my German test hahahaha.

[climber]

you're saying "some" again.  saying you only need 50 grams for muscle synthesis without proof makes you no better than those that say you need 250 a day.  we're not talking survival nutrition, we're talking muscle building/muscle growth nutrition.

how many calories do you eat a day?

When you exercise you break down muscle tissue. Some of the broken down muscle proteins will be degraded and you'll piss them out. This causes your body to loose Nitrogen. Your body naturally tries to minimise Nitrogen loss because it repairs the broken muscle by using any amino acids (broken down proteins) in your body to build new proteins. Most of the protein you eat in your diet will go towards building new muscle and some of it will go towards replacing the Nitrogen - from proteins - lost in your urine (which isn't much). Naturals DO NOT need 250 grams of protein. You only need enough to replace what you piss out and enough to satisfy the demands from new tissues being built.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

When you exercise you break down muscle tissue. Some of the broken down muscle proteins will be degraded and you'll piss them out. This causes your body to loose Nitrogen. Your body naturally tries to minimise Nitrogen loss because it repairs the broken muscle by using any amino acids (broken down proteins) in your body to build new proteins. Most of the protein you eat in your diet will go towards building new muscle and some of it will go towards replacing the Nitrogen - from proteins - lost in your urine (which isn't much). Naturals DO NOT need 250 grams of protein. You only need enough to replace what you piss out and enough to satisfy the demands from new tissues being built.

which ends up being about 70-90 grams.

[ManBearPig...]

if you are pursuing the "ideal body"  or the "body ideal" whatever you want to call it, buttsuck, how come at 5'11" and 150 lbs you're 10 lbs under the "ideal" body weight?

here's the closest thing i could come to cardboard that's edible:  lettuce.  could you build muscle, lose fat, and stay healthy eating just lettuce?

would eating 100 calories of lettuce be the same as eating 100 calories of chicken?

i'm gonna go ahead and guess you'd answer yes as long as you got your minerals in.  so you'd put on as much muscle in one year eating just lettuce and taking multivitamins/multiminerals as you would eating the same amount calorically in chicken?

the major point you and adonis are missing are that the RDA was made up during world war II to set up minimum guidelines for survival during a time of war when resources are scarce.

well, i guess you two do look like concentration camp survivors.  do you guys have an aesthetically pleasing physique? well, you do.  but on paper, it still comes down to you being 5'11" and 160.  you are absolutely tiny.  do you know you're 2 lbs under the ideal weight for a woman your height?  you're too skinny even for a woman.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

if you are pursuing the "ideal body"  or the "body ideal" whatever you want to call it, buttsuck, how come at 5'11" and 150 lbs you're 10 lbs under the "ideal" body weight?

here's the closest thing i could come to cardboard that's edible:  lettuce.  could you build muscle, lose fat, and stay healthy eating just lettuce?

would eating 100 calories of lettuce be the same as eating 100 calories of chicken?

i'm gonna go ahead and guess you'd answer yes as long as you got your minerals in.  so you'd put on as much muscle in one year eating just lettuce and taking multivitamins/multiminerals as you would eating the same amount calorically in chicken?

the major point you and adonis are missing are that the RDA was made up during world war II to set up minimum guidelines for survival during a time of war when resources are scarce.

well, i guess you two do look like concentration camp survivors.  do you guys have an aesthetically pleasing physique? well, you do.  but on paper, it still comes down to you being 5'11" and 160.  you are absolutely tiny.  do you know you're 2 lbs under the ideal weight for a woman your height?  you're too skinny even for a woman.

According to BMI i am in a healthy range. And no, you would lose muscle on lettuce unless you were getting protien to replenish what was lost. I have shown my face and my body on this site. From my knowledge you haven't shown yours. From experience, 9/10 times the guy im arguing with is an overweight keyboard warrior. I proved this from my time at MD. Im not saying you are of course. Just saying i have left myself open to criticism and i do not hide behind a keyboard. Everything i preach for the most part i have done in myself or am willing to try. I keep an open mind and thats why i have learned so much. Most people never venture out from the carb cycling or even worse, the bulking stage. These people never grow or learn. The only way to learn is through trial and error and i know what i am doing.

[ManBearPig...]

Most people have no more then 40 pound of muscle on their body. You can go to Lee Haneys site and ask him if you want.

where did you get this information from?  if Lee Haney said this...well, did he even graduate high school?  if he didn't, i guess you two are in the same intellectual boat.

if you took the skin off, ripped the bones out, and completely dried it up, you'd probably be left with 40 lbs of  human jerky.  but doing your nutritional need calculations based on pure flesh in the body is as reasonable as comparing humans to rats in nutritional studies.

oh wait....

[pumpher]

HHAHAHA...you'd have to eat almost 1kg of lettuce to equate to 100 cals

And no one should use the "BMI," Leafy Bug.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

where did you get this information from?  if Lee Haney said this...well, did he even graduate high school?  if he didn't, i guess you two are in the same intellectual boat.

if you took the skin off, ripped the bones out, and completely dried it up, you'd probably be left with 40 lbs of  human jerky.  but doing your nutritional need calculations based on pure flesh in the body is as reasonable as comparing humans to rats in nutritional studies.

oh wait....

Hey, i have tried it and have seen no difference. I have picture evidence showing no difference. What do you ahve other then myths and stories you have been fed? Do you even have pictures of yourself on this site?

[Bast000]

good info here http://www.muscledemon.com/nutrition.php

[The Master]

good info here http://www.muscledemon.com/nutrition.php

Some good pics on that site.

[ManBearPig...]

According to BMI i am in a healthy range. And no, you would lose muscle on lettuce unless you were getting protien to replenish what was lost. I have shown my face and my body on this site. From my knowledge you haven't shown yours. From experience, 9/10 times the guy im arguing with is an overweight keyboard warrior. I proved this from my time at MD. Im not saying you are of course. Just saying i have left myself open to criticism and i do not hide behind a keyboard. Everything i preach for the most part i have done in myself or am willing to try. I keep an open mind and thats why i have learned so much. Most people never venture out from the carb cycling or even worse, the bulking stage. These people never grow or learn. The only way to learn is through trial and error and i know what i am doing.

well, you're right, i'm a fat keyboard warrior.  but the fat didn't clog up my brain just yet.  so far you're saying you can gain muscle eating anything you want, including cardboard.  then when you realized you can't eat cardboard, you said you can't build muscle unless you replenish protein that was lost.  if it doesn't matter what you eat, you sure seem to be watching of how much you eat.

also, at 16 years of age you can eat anything you want and grow like a weed.  let's wait til about your sophomore/jr year in college when it all slows down.

but then again, adonis, your master said that someone who's "only 18 isn't producing testosterone yet".  so i guess you guys don't believe in puberty and metabolism either.

[The Master]

well, you're right, i'm a fat keyboard warrior.  but the fat didn't clog up my brain just yet.  so far you're saying you can gain muscle eating anything you want, including cardboard.  then when you realized you can't eat cardboard, you said you can't build muscle unless you replenish protein that was lost.  if it doesn't matter what you eat, you sure seem to be watching of how much you eat.

also, at 16 years of age you can eat anything you want and grow like a weed.  let's wait til about your sophomore/jr year in college when it all slows down.

but then again, adonis, your master said that someone who's "only 18 isn't producing testosterone yet".  so i guess you guys don't believe in puberty and metabolism either.

[ManBearPig...]

Hey, i have tried it and have seen no difference. I have picture evidence showing no difference. What do you ahve other then myths and stories you have been fed? Do you even have pictures of yourself on this site?

there's fat pics of me on here.  how old are you? i'll find pictures of me at the same age.  i was on a beer and cigarettes and pizza diet throughout high school, but i bet i looked better than you.

i'll have to scan some photos of me with shirts on though, hope it doesn't disappoint you.  at that point in my life, i wasn't taking pictures of myself shirtless flexing my muscles in my bedroom for other guys on the internet.