Disaster after following the TA principles.

[Matt C]

Don't tell lies then. Simple as that. How would you feel if i posted a thread titled "Disaster after following Gym Science" and said hey guys, i ate a healthy diet of chicken and brocolli and lost size. Then proceed to post a picture of me at 20% body fat and claim it to be 13%. I don't know what to tell you man. By posting pictures and a thread and making claims you are opening yourself up for criticism. If you can't handle the pie don't start the oven 

I can't handle criticisms that are fact based like saying I have weak legs and abs or that my shoulders overpower my chest and things like that.  But comments about my body fat being in the 20s are simply not true and that's why I have little patience in dealing with them.  I'm not going to refute a lie.  I'm also not going to debate that the world is a sphere or that evolution is a fact.  These things are not open for debate.

In the second picture I am 25 pounds heavier and leaner to boot:

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I can't handle criticisms that are fact based like saying I have weak legs and abs or that my shoulders overpower my chest and things like that.  But comments about my body fat being in the 20s are simply not true and that's why I have little patience in dealing with them.  I'm not going to refute a lie.  I'm also not going to debate that the world is a sphere or that evolution is a fact.  These things are not open for debate.

In the second picture I am 25 pounds heavier and leaner to boot:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
Visual bodyfat % guide. You are around 20%. Also your pictures are not taken under the same lighting conditions.

[pobrecito]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
Visual bodyfat % guide. You are around 20%. Also your pictures are not taken under the same lighting conditions.

That's hardly 20%.

15% tops.....remove that layer of water and you got abs showing though.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

That's hardly 20%.

15% tops.....remove that layer of water and you got abs showing though.

Tis always best to over estimate. If he got calipered at 14% there then he is easily 17%.

[jaejonna]

I can't handle criticisms that are fact based like saying I have weak legs and abs or that my shoulders overpower my chest and things like that.  But comments about my body fat being in the 20s are simply not true and that's why I have little patience in dealing with them.  I'm not going to refute a lie.  I'm also not going to debate that the world is a sphere or that evolution is a fact.  These things are not open for debate.

In the second picture I am 25 pounds heavier and leaner to boot:

so you look worse now ?

[pobrecito]

Tis always best to over estimate. If he got calipered at 14% there then he is easily 17%.

He does have good genetics for building muscle, problem is the shape and insertion of the muscle (see crappy biceps). Matt should take up powerlifting.

[shiftedShapes]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
Visual bodyfat % guide. You are around 20%. Also your pictures are not taken under the same lighting conditions.

he's also flexing and pumped in one picture

this guy is totally out of it.  He would rather claim all sorts of unusual genetic infirmities (undiffierntiated abdominals LOL) then acknoweldge his actual BF level.

he will contort reality as much as necessary to maintain his current delusions, it is hopeless arguing with him.

[Matt C]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
Visual bodyfat % guide. You are around 20%. Also your pictures are not taken under the same lighting conditions.

"1. Full house = Over or near 20% bodyfat with no visible muscle definition and only a hint of separation between major muscle groups if those groups are very large. Basically a person in this state could be confused for a football linebacker. If you're higher than this bodyfat percentage, you'd be considered overweight/obese."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you fucked?

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No seriously.  Are you fucked? 

[shiftedShapes]

"1. Full house = Over or near 20% bodyfat with no visible muscle definition and only a hint of separation between major muscle groups if those groups are very large. Basically a person in this state could be confused for a football linebacker. If you're higher than this bodyfat percentage, you'd be considered overweight/obese."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you fucked?

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No seriously.  Are you fucked? 

that describes you to a T

[The_Leafy_Bug]

that describes you to a T

Exactly... Don't get me wrong. I understand how you find it offensive. I was offended after i bulked up to 220 and they told me id be 150 stage weight. It is nothing to be ashamed of. As a natural you WILL NOT be that big. 150-160 is very respectable size for someone who is 5'9.

[Matt C]

he's also flexing and pumped in one picture

this guy is totally out of it.  He would rather claim all sorts of unusual genetic infirmities (undiffierntiated abdominals LOL) then acknoweldge his actual BF level.

he will contort reality as much as necessary to maintain his current delusions, it is hopeless arguing with him.

I'm beginning to think you and The_Leafy_Bug  are TA gimmick accounts or friends of his.  TA was bullshitting everyone with his failed "principles".

As it is, there are a select few of you who hold the same opinion while the overwhelming majority of the board do not.

The_Leafy_Bug: I would certainly be in the 160s on stage.

[eastcoastbbman]

matt, first of all, you look wayyy better in the first pic and your bodyfat is NO MORE THAN 12% . i determine peoples bodyfat visually all day every day and im never off when i double check with the calipers.

secondly, why in the world would you second guess having a system when it comes to your nutrition, bro? eating every 2-3 hours and balancing proteins, carbs and fats is the ONLY WAY TO PRESERVE LEAN MASS WHILE IN A DEFICIT.

rule of thumb: if what are you are doing is EASIER OR MORE COMFORTABLE  than what you were doing...rest assured its also less effective!! lol!

[pobrecito]

Exactly... Don't get me wrong. I understand how you find it offensive. I was offended after i bulked up to 220 and they told me id be 150 stage weight. It is nothing to be ashamed of. As a natural you WILL NOT be that big. 150-160 is very respectable size for someone who is 5'9.

Go away.

You are just pissed that Matt has far more muscle than you while still being quite lean (12%)

[shiftedShapes]

I'm beginning to think you and The_Leafy_Bug  are TA gimmick accounts or friends of his.  TA was bullshitting everyone with his failed "principles".

As it is, there are a select few of you who hold the same opinion while the overwhelming majority of the board do not.

The_Leafy_Bug: I would certainly be in the 160s on stage.

most everyone here is also fat

are you starting to see the connection

I guarantee that you would not look close to contest shape at 160

[shiftedShapes]

Go away.

You are just pissed that Matt has far more muscle than you while still being quite lean (12%)

matt actual looks to have less muscle than leafy bug, and bug was 5'11" at 150, what does that tell you about Matt's probably contest weight

[The Squadfather]

most everyone here is also fat

are you starting to see the connection

I guarantee that you would not look close to contest shape at 160

let's see your picture.

[shiftedShapes]

let's see your picture.

youve seen it, check your spank archive under ss

[The Squadfather]

youve seen it, check your spank archive under ss

post it so everyone who hasn't seen it can see what you look like, until you do you have no credibility.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

youve seen it, check your spank archive under ss

Ohhh lordie.... IT begins hahahahahah. Everyone is starting to jump into this thread. Don't get me wrong matt. Im not saying you have a bad physique. You look thick in the first picture and its a good picture and all. You just don't have as much as you think you do. If you want to be 200 and fill out your clothes then so be it. That is fine also, but don't spread lies saying you will lose muscle eating junk. There are black people in the ghetto who live off of fried chicken and kool-aid and are in better shape then most of the people here on this site. People are paranoid over muscle loss when it comes down to something as simple as water distribution. I am no gimmick. I am here to stop the lies. You would not lose that much muscle unless you had muscular distrophy.

[Matt C]

matt, first of all, you look wayyy better in the first pic and your bodyfat is NO MORE THAN 12% . i determine peoples bodyfat visually all day every day and im never off when i double check with the calipers.

secondly, why in the world would you second guess having a system when it comes to your nutrition, bro? eating every 2-3 hours and balancing proteins, carbs and fats is the ONLY WAY TO PRESERVE LEAN MASS WHILE IN A DEFICIT.

rule of thumb: if what are you are doing is EASIER OR MORE COMFORTABLE  than what you were doing...rest assured its also less effective!! lol!

I couldn't have said it better!  Words from a bodybuilder as regimented as Jay Cutler and Rich Gaspari.

The truth is, it was easy as hell restricting my calories as TA mentioned.  In addition, no cardio was required to lose weight!  Simply cutting calories and continuing to train regularly.  As it is now, I am back to eating small frequent meals throughout the day and balancing my macros.

TA's secret to getting ripped is (in a nutshell) to just reduce calories.    Give me a break...

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I couldn't have said it better!  Words from a bodybuilder as regimented as Jay Cutler and Rich Gaspari.

The truth is, it was easy as hell restricting my calories as TA mentioned.  In addition, no cardio was required to lose weight!  Simply cutting calories and continuing to train regularly.  As it is now, I am back to eating small frequent meals throughout the day and balancing my macros.

TA's secret to getting ripped is (in a nutshell) to just reduce calories.    Give me a break...

Go ahead and take a leap of faith... That is if rejecting all science and logic or make things harder for yourself makes sense then so be it. It doesn't have to be hard. I dropped 70 pounds in 4.5 months eating what i wanted. I didn't lose an ounce of muscle.

[Krankenstein]

post it so everyone who hasn't seen it can see what you look like, until you do you have no credibility.

SS.....it wont happen.....he probably fears your honest assessment of him....

[climber]

Go ahead and take a leap of faith... That is if rejecting all science and logic or make things harder for yourself makes sense then so be it. It doesn't have to be hard. I dropped 70 pounds in 4.5 months eating what i wanted. I didn't lose an ounce of muscle.

you hardly had an ounce of muscle to lose in the first place. MattT is definitely closer to 15% BF in that picture above. You've got no clue Leafy_Bug!

Why don't you work up to a level where you can:
1. Deadlift ~450 pounds
2. Bench at least 315
3. Squat 405.
Then, stay at that level and add volume to those weights (that weight for reps!) for a year or two... you'll have some mass then. Like I've said before, you're a newbie, you have no idea of what bodybuilding is about... If you can't do that first... go to some figure board.

[shiftedShapes]

SS.....it wont happen.....he probably fears your honest assessment of him....

check my back posts I have posted multiple pictures, and squadfather I believe complemented me on several of them so Im not sure why he's making them a credibility issue now especially when he himself took years to post pics.

you guys are pathetic.

[Matt C]

Why are we even having such a long discussion about this?  It is clear to most on here that TA was just fucking around to see if he could get people to follow his principles and I was a sucker who actually did it.  This post should have started and ended with me admitting that I was had and leaving it at that.  I won't be so gullible in the future.