Disaster after following the TA principles.

[Bast000]

well, I use the principles.

[shiftedShapes]

well, I use the principles.

by Matt's reasoning you must have been 250lbs of shredded beef before.

[The Squadfather]

Bast is looking big there as usual, where's your pics, ShiftedShapes?

[The True Adonis]

Here is a PIC of ShiftedShapes,

MY brother.

[danielson]

Here is a PIC of ShiftedShapes,

MY brother.

Shiftedshapes is your brother?

[The Squadfather]

Here is a PIC of ShiftedShapes,

MY brother.

he looks good.

[Joey Tito]

post it so everyone who hasn't seen it can see what you look like, until you do you have no credibility.

So I guess YOU had no credibility for 2+ years posting on getbig when you refused to post your pic, huh?   Brutal self ownage

[The Squadfather]

So I guess YOU had no credibility for 2+ years posting on getbig when you refused to post your pic, huh?   Brutal self ownage

hahahaha, stalk much?

[Matt C]

well, I use the principles.

Good to see it worked for you.  I know it didn't work for me.  I did lose weight but certainly saw no drop in body fat.

[Joey Tito]

hahahaha, stalk much?

Nice lame comeback.  Notice how you totally evaded my question.  This is why you have no credibility: when someone challenges you, you come out with the "you're gayer than" shit just like "kiwiol" (if that is even his real name).  Get a life, Davey boy.

[garraeth]

hahah, it's funny how this cycles through -- all the tiny-tits come out and give their advice for a while, then they are all owned by people who actually know what's going on, go back to their holes, and then re-emerge a couple months later to start spewing their BS once again...hahahahahhaa!!

hahahaha, man if any of you dinks came up to me in the gym and started giving me "advice", I'd laugh my ass off -- and I'm really cordial in person (ask anyone on the board whose met me), so that's a lot coming from me!

[The Squadfather]

Nice lame comeback.  Notice how you totally evaded my question.  This is why you have no credibility: when someone challenges you, you come out with the "you're gayer than" shit just like "kiwiol" (if that is even his real name).  Get a life, Davey boy.

hahahaha, you're too easy, gimmick meltdown.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

you hardly had an ounce of muscle to lose in the first place. MattT is definitely closer to 15% BF in that picture above. You've got no clue Leafy_Bug!

Why don't you work up to a level where you can:
1. Deadlift ~450 pounds
2. Bench at least 315
3. Squat 405.
Then, stay at that level and add volume to those weights (that weight for reps!) for a year or two... you'll have some mass then. Like I've said before, you're a newbie, you have no idea of what bodybuilding is about... If you can't do that first... go to some figure board.

Those are respectable lifts... First i ask you, can YOU do those lifts? If so lets see them instead of listing your e-stats. Do you even have pictures on this site or are you just another overweight keyboard warrior. I am so tired of your kind.

[Matt C]

My lifts, somewhere between 190-200:

430 pound deadlift 1RM:

315 bench for three:

225 for 16 (max ever was 18 with no spot):

At my best I could certainly handle between 300-400 for a parallel squat.  Especially with knee wraps which I found could add nearly 100 pounds.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

by Matt's reasoning you must have been 250lbs of shredded beef before.

Hahah yeah exactly... They refuse to listen. Bast has one of the best physiques on this board. They wouldn't know the truth if it was a brick chunked at their faces.

[pobrecito]

well, I use the principles.

You also use prohormones out of the ass, what was it 6 or 7 cycles? Why don't you lay it out for us.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

My lifts, somewhere between 190-200:

430 pound deadlift 1RM:

315 bench for three:

225 for 16 (max ever was 18 with no spot):

At my best I could certainly handle between 300-400 for a parallel squat.  Especially with knee wraps which I found could add nearly 100 pounds.

Those are good lifts and i give you credit for those.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

You also use prohormones out of the ass, what was it 6 or 7 cycles? Why don't you lay it out for us.

Doesn't matter. He was clean there.

[Joey Tito]

hahahaha, you're too easy, gimmick meltdown.

"too easy"?  How so?  You do nothing but evade simple questions, Dave.

[garraeth]

Let me explain a couple things to you. I will be blunt:

1. You are the sheep in the world.
You follow the loudest person, not the most qualified. Therefore you are sheep. This is what the masses do. No thought behind the "why", but rather, a simple gut reaction to the loudest person in the room.




2. Remember those articles that so many of you have posted in the past that describe people who are amatures in a field but think they are actually experts? And those are the ones who are the loudest and most cocky about the subject?

Well, you are those people you laugh so much at. How can I tell? Easy. Do I have to debate the subject with you to know? No.
Look at your credentials. TA, ShiftedShapes and Buttsuck (and others) have zero credentials. Have a couple (at most) years experience. And nothing more than swimmers physiques (which should be an obvious give-away to everyone).




You would rather listen to TA, ShiftedShapes or buttsuck aka:The_Leafy_Bug (because they are the loudest) than someone with proven experience and credentials -- Milos, Shawn, Chick, etc...this.makes.you.SHEEP.



I'm not saying I'm an expert. I am saying I listen to experts, and respect their input.

Sorry to be so blunt. But all the lurkers are laughing at you. As am I. And you're starting to spam the board.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Let me explain a couple things to you. I will be blunt:

1. You are the sheep in the world.
You follow the loudest person, not the most qualified. Therefore you are sheep. This is what the masses do. No thought behind the "why", but rather, a simple gut reaction to the loudest person in the room.




2. Remember those articles that so many of you have posted in the past that describe people who are amatures in a field but think they are actually experts? And those are the ones who are the loudest and most cocky about the subject?

Well, you are those people you laugh so much at. How can I tell? Easy. Do I have to debate the subject with you to know? No.
Look at your credentials. TA and Buttsuck (and others) have zero credentials. Have a couple (at most) years experience. And nothing more than swimmers physiques (which should be an obvious give-away to everyone).




You would rather listen to TA or buttsuck aka:The_Leafy_Bug (because they are the loudest) than someone with proven experience and credentials -- Milos, Shawn, Chick, etc...this.makes.you.SHEEP.



I'm not saying I'm an expert. I am saying I listen to experts, and respect their input.

Sorry to be so blunt. But all the lurkers are laughing at you. As am I. And you're starting to spam the board.

I will work on my credentials. I think if i even had them you would still blow me off as nothing. I respect Milos and think he has the right idea on training. I don't know what he believes on diet however so i can't really say anything about that. What you don't seem to understand is that there is no right and wrong. There are 1000's of ways to do this and you only seem to want to believe in 1 way. I'll be blunt with you Garreth. I have seen your pictures on here and if i don't have you mistaken with someone else then you are over weight. Plain and simple. If you are happy with yourself then i guess thats fine. Funny you call us sheep. You are the one listening to what is popular. We are trying to push a concept that has been around for quite some time. I think that would make you the sheep. Take a look at yourself in the mirror before you start to critique others. I never made any personal attacks on you. I'd expect the same respect from you. What are you 40? Grow up man. You are pathetic and over weight. Go have a bowl of oatmeal or whatever it is you eat.

[Camel Jockey]

This whole travesty of a thread is about the validity of the Adonis principles.

Calorie is calorie, but to say protein consumption is insignificant is foolish.

MattC is an intelligent person and he tried them. They failed. If it were so easy, then why aren't more people doing it? How come people in the gym look the same until they start eating a proper diet?

Leafy, look at his lean pictures. He's not overweight by any means.

[disco_stu]

I won't get into it in detail, but I am 15 or 20 pounds less than I was at my max and in the same condition.  Not fatter, but not much leaner, if at all.

I wasn't intentionally following them, but I was subconsciously following them.  For instance, I would calorie restrict due to being busy and so on and while I would previously catch myself and force myself to eat, I would let it slide thinking doing so would actually get me leaner (albeit smaller, but leaner).

It's my fault for being an idiot.  And now I will be EATING again and be back to where I was by the end of the summer.

From 04-27-2005:

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27403&page=5&pp=20

Good advice!

Matt TA's so called principles of common sense and balance of a number of variables is not much more than the gospel as spoken by Mentzer and before him in a less developed, cruder form by iron warriors like Arnold S, Bill Pearl, Reaves, Oliver etc...

i love the way you blame your inability to apply discipline to a pursuit and even still stick by your ridiculous claim despite advising that you ''fell on it''...namely the ''TA'' principle.

theres so much wrong with your post, your claim, and obviously your tiny little brain that i feel that i have to reply so that others who are wanting to keep an open mind wont be shutting it because of clowns like yourself.

your ability to correlate the unrelated and discount everything but a principle that you werent even following would amaze even the most skeptical believers in experimentation and i think you've developed a new technique that the mediacal board should look at using- i think you've stumbled on the triple blind study...

unlike the double blind study which removes all bias to make the results statistically relevant, you now have invented (through your conclusion), the triple blind where not only you and the developer know what method you are using, but neither do you realise it even when looking back over the results.

kinda like an experiment to measure which pill is a steroid and then handing out a bunch of pills that are folic acid..then claiming that the ones that created the most weight loss MUST be the folic acids...

make sense?...lol..no?...hey its no different to your claim...oh i forgot to add one thing...put in this folic acid experiment the fact that the ''users'' dont even know they are using..i.e. hide their tabs in their food....and the tester doesnt know who is receiving the tabs either..

i sincerely hope that no one takes any notice of this guy's claims...but suspect some will give it credence and argue...i wish all those who do that well in their training and life in general.

later.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

This whole travesty of a thread is about the validity of the Adonis principles.

Calorie is calorie, but to say protein consumption is insignificant is foolish.

MattC is an intelligent person and he tried them. They failed. If it were so easy, then why aren't more people doing it? How come people in the gym look the same until they start eating a proper diet?

Leafy, look at his lean pictures. He's not overweight by any means.

I havent seen those. Where are they? Can you post them?

[disco_stu]

This whole travesty of a thread is about the validity of the Adonis principles.

Calorie is calorie, but to say protein consumption is insignificant is foolish.

MattC is an intelligent person and he tried them. They failed. If it were so easy, then why aren't more people doing it? How come people in the gym look the same until they start eating a proper diet?

Leafy, look at his lean pictures. He's not overweight by any means.

matt c is an intelligent person.....omg..  i really feel for the fools here- but then you guys have always been here and always will.

more than sheep is the prevalence of monkey see monkey do.

theres PLENTY of pros and good bodies going around that wouldnt have  a clue about training and the human body. on the other hand how many professional practicing medical types in physiology and olympic sports etc look like bodybuilders?....yet they are the experts.

i wont listen to anyone who's claims are anecdotal at best, cant be questioned to the void, follow improper logic, do not consider the basic tenets of workload and recover as well as the neurosystem to name a few.

everytime someone speaks some skerrick of sense on this board all the trolls and dumb fucks come in and dispute them and attempt to ridicule. from what ive seen TA isnt spruiking anything new...so you disagree with TA and you disagree with Zane, Yates, Mentzer and a whole heap of others who got to the top using smart science (coupled with drugs im sure)....

the exceptions- which im sure you dumb arses will use as basis for debating the above- are always there...but they are anomalies and the principle still applies that smart training for even them would yield superior results.

now carry on with the slag fest and uneducated dissing....

fuckn morons..