Disaster after following the TA principles.

[Cee21Jay]

Matt C-  Why are you an expert?  This is in regards to your expert label stars.

Why did you post that crab shot on page 18? 

Do you have lumbar pain / shooting leg pain after your deadlift days?

This is a quote from you

"I won't get into it in detail, but I am 15 or 20 pounds less than I was at my max and in the same condition.  Not fatter, but not much leaner, if at all.

I wasn't intentionally following them, but I was subconsciously following them".


Why don't you ask Adonis if he can help you work his system the way it should be worked?  It appears to have worked for him and bast.  He likely does not intend it to be worked "subconsciously".  If you do it properly then maybe your critique of his system will hold more weight.

[shiftedShapes]

Good to see it worked for you.  I know it didn't work for me.  I did lose weight but certainly saw no drop in body fat.

you didn't see the drop because you didn't lose enough for it to be noticeable


you would have needed to diet for probably another year to really get sharp.

check out the caloric equivalent for a pound of fat then figure out how much your total caloric deficit was.  I think you'll see that it just about matches what you lost if you factor in water as well.

[shiftedShapes]

Matt TA's so called principles of common sense and balance of a number of variables is not much more than the gospel as spoken by Mentzer and before him in a less developed, cruder form by iron warriors like Arnold S, Bill Pearl, Reaves, Oliver etc...

i love the way you blame your inability to apply discipline to a pursuit and even still stick by your ridiculous claim despite advising that you ''fell on it''...namely the ''TA'' principle.

theres so much wrong with your post, your claim, and obviously your tiny little brain that i feel that i have to reply so that others who are wanting to keep an open mind wont be shutting it because of clowns like yourself.

your ability to correlate the unrelated and discount everything but a principle that you werent even following would amaze even the most skeptical believers in experimentation and i think you've developed a new technique that the mediacal board should look at using- i think you've stumbled on the triple blind study...

unlike the double blind study which removes all bias to make the results statistically relevant, you now have invented (through your conclusion), the triple blind where not only you and the developer know what method you are using, but neither do you realise it even when looking back over the results.

kinda like an experiment to measure which pill is a steroid and then handing out a bunch of pills that are folic acid..then claiming that the ones that created the most weight loss MUST be the folic acids...

make sense?...lol..no?...hey its no different to your claim...oh i forgot to add one thing...put in this folic acid experiment the fact that the ''users'' dont even know they are using..i.e. hide their tabs in their food....and the tester doesnt know who is receiving the tabs either..

i sincerely hope that no one takes any notice of this guy's claims...but suspect some will give it credence and argue...i wish all those who do that well in their training and life in general.

later.

pretty obsurd huh, especially considering that he terminated the experiment because of his anxiety that he was losing muscle.

Matt don't you realize that this fear of losing muscle was created by the supplement companies to ensure that you never go to long without a dose of whey.  You are probably one of these guys that takes a slow absorbing PM protein to ensure that you have enough protein throughout the night, HAHAHA, gayer than getting nighttime protein straight from the tap.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

pretty obsurd huh, especially considering that he terminated the experiment because of his anxiety that he was losing muscle.

Matt don't you realize that this fear of losing muscle was created by the supplement companies to ensure that you never go to long without a dose of whey.  You are probably one of these guys that takes a slow absorbing PM protein to ensure that you have enough protein throughout the night, HAHAHA, gayer than getting nighttime protein straight from the tap.

I suspect matt wasn't working out through this time that he was using TA principles. Take note that he said "i dont want to get into details". I think he did something knowing what the result would be.

[UK Gold]

I suspect matt wasn't working out through this time that he was using TA principles. Take note that he said "i dont want to get into details". I think he did something knowing what the result would be.

Buttsuck/Leafy Bug - i thought you said a couple of months back you stopped following the principles?

[shiftedShapes]

I suspect matt wasn't working out through this time that he was using TA principles. Take note that he said "i dont want to get into details". I think he did something knowing what the result would be.

this is possible, he did say he didn't work legs at all right?

However, he still shouldn't have lost much muscle unless he was on bed rest and I see no evidence thus far of lost muscle, just a lot of whinning.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Buttsuck/Leafy Bug - i thought you said a couple of months back you stopped following the principles?

I eat what i want. I was taking more of a daddywaddy type approach a couple of months where i would eat 5000 calories in whatever in a day and then burn it all off with a long work out and cardio. I don't do that anymore but i still eat what i want. The other day i had a cheese cake, some icecream, and some cookies. Just depends what i want to eat.

[UK Gold]

I eat what i want. I was taking more of a daddywaddy type approach a couple of months where i would eat 5000 calories in whatever in a day and then burn it all off with a long work out and cardio. I don't do that anymore but i still eat what i want. The other day i had a cheese cake, some icecream, and some cookies. Just depends what i want to eat.

whats the point in eating what you want if you can only have a couple of mouthfuls? I can see the benefit of going low cal once in a while - but not all the time

[shiftedShapes]

whats the point in eating what you want if you can only have a couple of mouthfuls? I can see the benefit of going low cal once in a while - but not all the time

you can't see the benefit of living 20-30 years longer and maintaining your youth and vigor well beyond other members of your cohort who do not eat reduced calories?

Seems more valuable than all the riches in the world to me.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

whats the point in eating what you want if you can only have a couple of mouthfuls? I can see the benefit of going low cal once in a while - but not all the time

True, which is why when i do cut i try to aim for low calorie high volume foods which typically means healthy food but if you eat mcdonalds 4 times a day and be covered. The fats keep you full for hours. This is why i do well on a keto diet. You name it i have tried it. The point on tying to make is for the typical getbigger who doesn't compete, he can eat what he wants when he wants and not get fat.

[Krankenstein]

The point on tying to make is for the typical getbigger who doesn't compete, he can eat what he wants when he wants and not get fat.

Perfect statement.  I cant see anyone arguing with you on that one.

[shiftedShapes]

True, which is why when i do cut i try to aim for low calorie high volume foods which typically means healthy food but if you eat mcdonalds 4 times a day and be covered. The fats keep you full for hours. This is why i do well on a keto diet. You name it i have tried it. The point on tying to make is for the typical getbigger who doesn't compete, he can eat what he wants when he wants and lose fat.

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[The_Leafy_Bug]

Perfect statement.  I cant see anyone arguing with you on that one.

You could get to 3% on junk but it would require more will power. I can maintain at 8% eating junk. I just don't think it is optimal. Here is an example of why bodybuilding lore pisses me off. Theres a thread on musclemayhem of someone dieting for a contest. In this thread he proceeded to accidentaly take a non diet mountain dew from the cabinet and drink it with out realizing it and then started to freak out and ask if he should drop the show.... alll because of one mountain dew. That is the most delusional shit i have ever heard in my life. I am sick of the lies. You can be lean eating junk, it has been proven. Some of the best physiques on this board follow the TA principles. To be blunt Matt C is a delusional liar.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

fixed

Thx 

[The Master]

MattC can out-brain any of his haters

[shiftedShapes]

MattC can out-brain any of his haters

it doesn't seem like he has any haters.

[UK Gold]

you can't see the benefit of living 20-30 years longer and maintaining your youth and vigor well beyond other members of your cohort who do not eat reduced calories?

Seems more valuable than all the riches in the world to me.

I'm calling bullshit on that. If it were true Africans, Asians and South Americans would all be living into theri hundreds. Maybe a low cal diet would extend your life by a few years - but certainly not 20 -30

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I'm calling bullshit on that. If it were true Africans, Asians and South Americans would all be living into theri hundreds. Maybe a low cal diet would extend your life by a few years - but certainly not 20 -30

The japanese are already out living americans i think by a good 5-7 years with their sushi diets. You wait till the new statistics come in from obese americans dropping dead in their 40s and 50s when this generation meets their maker.

[shiftedShapes]

I'm calling bullshit on that. If it were true Africans, Asians and South Americans would all be living into theri hundreds. Maybe a low cal diet would extend your life by a few years - but certainly not 20 -30

they are malnourished

the protocal is CRON (google it) calorie restriction with optimal nutrition.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

MattC can out-brain any of his haters

We aren't hating on the guy. Just calling him out as a liar who did an experiment with biased results. I already complimented his pictures. Nothing to hate about here other then his lies.

[The Master]

We aren't hating on the guy. Just calling him out as a liar who did an experiment with biased results. I already complimented his pictures. Nothing to hate about here other then his lies.

Relax man, I was joking.

Have you been sending any love letters to female BB's lately btw? I'm sure that behind the somewhat rational exterior lies a love beast, hungry for some female BB penoris. 

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Relax man, I was joking.

Have you been sending any love letters to female BB's lately btw? I'm sure that behind the somewhat rational exterior lies a love beast, hungry for some female BB penoris. 

I posted the email message. It was a joke 

[The Master]

I posted the email message. It was a joke 

I'm sure it was a joke

[shiftedShapes]

MattC is a good guy, and he's actually very intelligent.


I got an interesting reply from Layne Norton regarding his view on the calories/lifespan link btw. He agrees with you on the correlation between the two, yet addressed a few interesting issues that have yet not been included in the studies, that might be of interest to athletes.

please post the issues, this topic is of great intellectual and personal interest to me.

Typically the studies have 4 groups of individuals: 1) normal calories no regimented exercise, 2) normal calories w/ regimented exercise, 3) reduced calories no regimented exercise, and 4) reduced calories with regimented exercise

interestingly the 3rd group typically lives the longest, with the 4th group living the second longest and the first two groups living much shorter less healthy lives.  The 3rd group is still active it's just that (in fact they tend to be much more active than the animals on full calories) they are just not forced to exercise a certain amount.

For humans the best simulation of this is weight training and other free form exercise on reduced calories, WITHOUT regular cardio.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I'm sure it was a joke

Funny that you mention it because if you go to the y board and read the threads im the only person who isn't schmoing all over Lori.