Disaster after following the TA principles.

[The Master]

Funny that you mention it because if you go to the y board and read the threads im the only person who isn't schmoing all over Lori.

I hear that it was more than 1 letter

Pretty hard to keep up the emotional intensity in a series of love letters without having some real lust underneath, eh kid?

[shiftedShapes]

I hear that it was more than 1 letter

Pretty hard to keep up the emotional intensity in a series of love letters without having some real lust underneath, eh kid?

FBBers can be a guilty pleasure.  the idea of a woman with more muscle and a higher sex drive is great, the problem is when they start sounding and looking more like men.  Then they just look like pre-op F->M trannies

[shiftedShapes]

FBBers can be a guilty pleasure.  the idea of a woman with more muscle and a higher sex drive is great, the problem is when they start sounding and looking more like men.  Then they just look like pre-op F->M trannies

for example I think that a lot of the figure girls have a great look.  They are undoubtedly geared up but it is closer to the level of the FBBers of the 80s so they are not so androgized.

[The Master]

FBBers can be a guilty pleasure.  the idea of a woman with more muscle and a higher sex drive is great, the problem is when they start sounding and looking more like men.  Then they just look like pre-op F->M trannies

Check this former resident hottie:

[shiftedShapes]

Check this former resident hottie:

yeah...over the line


hahaha the saddest part is "she" doesn't even have a good physique

[Camel Jockey]

Let this topic sink already.

[Krankenstein]

You could get to 3% on junk but it would require more will power. I can maintain at 8% eating junk. I just don't think it is optimal. Here is an example of why bodybuilding lore pisses me off. Theres a thread on musclemayhem of someone dieting for a contest. In this thread he proceeded to accidentaly take a non diet mountain dew from the cabinet and drink it with out realizing it and then started to freak out and ask if he should drop the show.... alll because of one mountain dew. That is the most delusional shit i have ever heard in my life. I am sick of the lies. You can be lean eating junk, it has been proven. Some of the best physiques on this board follow the TA principles. To be blunt Matt C is a delusional liar.

I havent read the thread with the Moutain Dew, but I would agree as well.  The thing is though....contest dieting can mess with your mind...a lot!  Its the worst thing I have heard.....

[Matt C]

Matt C-  Why are you an expert?  This is in regards to your expert label stars.

Why did you post that crab shot on page 18? 

Do you have lumbar pain / shooting leg pain after your deadlift days?

This is a quote from you

"I won't get into it in detail, but I am 15 or 20 pounds less than I was at my max and in the same condition.  Not fatter, but not much leaner, if at all.

I wasn't intentionally following them, but I was subconsciously following them".


Why don't you ask Adonis if he can help you work his system the way it should be worked?  It appears to have worked for him and bast.  He likely does not intend it to be worked "subconsciously".  If you do it properly then maybe your critique of his system will hold more weight.

Look carefully at my expert labels... 

Although I know more about the history of bodybuilding and the bodybuilding industry than some who do have real labels.  It wouldn't be so horrible should Ron choose to make me an expert.

I posted a crab shot to show my progress since resuming a normal diet.  As the weeks go by, I will continue to improve.

I have no back pain and have never had an injury or anything close to one.  My deadlift form needs improvement though, I know.

I followed TA's diet against my better judgment.  I should say that the belief his principles would work was subconscious which manifested into me truly using his principles.  I WAS following despite not WANTING to believe they worked, but subconsciously, the thought they would was very strong.  The result was horrendous - a smaller version of myself.  Possibly fatter, but definitely not leaner.

[Matt C]

matt c is an intelligent person.....omg..  i really feel for the fools here- but then you guys have always been here and always will.

My intelligence was never in question on this board.    This sometimes (RARELY) comes up in real life too, when someone questions my intelligence.  Holding a genius level IQ (tested) and just shy of a Master's degree in math, I don't need to prove anything.  I have such a good track record at this point I don't have to.  It seems that you are unaware of it though.  Go do a google search of my name and achievements than get back to me.

By the way, not a soul on this board thinks that TA is smarter than me overall.  If you knew all the facts and still felt that way, you would be very ignorant to make that claim, given that it is a fact I am smarter than him (not opinion and not open for debate).

Lastly (but most importantly), TA WAS JUST FUCKING WITH EVERYONE.  My god...he never seriously meant anything he said, he was just looking for a reaction like this because multiple 20+ page threads about him help him to validate his self esteem and assess his self worth.  See, I also have a psychology degree. 

[Camel Jockey]

Matt, I don't know why anyone doubted your experience with the principles. I mean your case showed just how bogus Adonis' principles really are. Yet, I still saw people defending the principles by calling you a liar. 

As I said earlier, a person is the best possible judge of their own body. If you honestly felt that you were losing, then everyone here should believe you.

[Cee21Jay]

Look carefully at my expert labels... 

Although I know more about the history of bodybuilding and the bodybuilding industry than some who do have real labels.  It wouldn't be so horrible should Ron choose to make me an expert.

I posted a crab shot to show my progress since resuming a normal diet.  As the weeks go by, I will continue to improve.

I have no back pain and have never had an injury or anything close to one.  My deadlift form needs improvement though, I know.

I followed TA's diet against my better judgment.  I should say that the belief his principles would work was subconscious which manifested into me truly using his principles.  I WAS following despite not WANTING to believe they worked, but subconsciously, the thought they would was very strong.  The result was horrendous - a smaller version of myself.  Possibly fatter, but definitely not leaner.

Good reply.  Good luck with the deads.

[Matt C]

Matt, I don't know why anyone doubted your experience with the principles. I mean your case showed just how bogus Adonis' principles really are. Yet, I still saw people defending the principles by calling you a liar. 

As I said earlier, a person is the best possible judge of their own body. If you honestly felt that you were losing, then everyone here should believe you.

I agree.  I don't understand why Team TA can't agree that certain things simply work better for some people than others.  Maybe TA's principles would work for someone else, but they don't for me.  Human bodies aren't exactly the same.  For example, I could eat junk food until I'm blue in the face and it would take months and months before you would notice any appreciable increase in body fat on me, while with others you can see the change within days.

The pictures below are not before and after pictures from the TA principles, but the ones I will post will be similar (body weight is in the 150s and in the 180s, about a 25-30 pound difference):







Do I look any leaner in the smaller pictures?  NO.  I am smaller AND fatter and that is exactly where I was leading towards on the TA principles.  I know that based on past experience on low calorie diets, I would have simply dropped to the 150s in the same body fat as before.  Not to mention, TA would be laughing at me.  As it is now, I will be 200+ by September and just as lean as I am now if not leaner.

Cee21Jay - thanks!  I plan to hit a 500 pound deadlift this year.

[climber]

Good work Matt C. I hope you hit the 500 deadlift, that's my goal this year as well. It's going to take some brutal leg work to get me there.

[shiftedShapes]

My intelligence was never in question on this board.    This sometimes (RARELY) comes up in real life too, when someone questions my intelligence.  Holding a genius level IQ (tested) and just shy of a Master's degree in math, I don't need to prove anything.  I have such a good track record at this point I don't have to.  It seems that you are unaware of it though.  Go do a google search of my name and achievements than get back to me.

By the way, not a soul on this board thinks that TA is smarter than me overall.  If you knew all the facts and still felt that way, you would be very ignorant to make that claim, given that it is a fact I am smarter than him (not opinion and not open for debate).

Lastly (but most importantly), TA WAS JUST FUCKING WITH EVERYONE.  My god...he never seriously meant anything he said, he was just looking for a reaction like this because multiple 20+ page threads about him help him to validate his self esteem and assess his self worth.  See, I also have a psychology degree. 

I think you are an idiot

[Krankenstein]

they are malnourished

the protocal is CRON (google it) calorie restriction with optimal nutrition.

Protocol....google it.

[climber]

I think you are an idiot

A lot of people think you're an idiot too.   

[Matt C]

I think you are an idiot

Some will.  There is an expression that people can appreciate whether they are religious or not:

"God is perfect, and some people hate him."

I could be Einstein and some people will still think I'm an idiot.  The reality is that is far and away the minority opinion and certainly more people on here and in life in general think that of TA.

[shiftedShapes]

A lot of people think you're an idiot too.   

more idiots no doubt

[shiftedShapes]

Some will.  There is an expression that people can appreciate whether they are religious or not:

"God is perfect, and some people hate him."

I could be Einstein and some people will still think I'm an idiot.  The reality is that is far and away the minority opinion and certainly more people on here and in life in general think that of TA.

well you'd have to do a poll but all it would establish is your popularity

[The Master]

I think you are an idiot

MattC is one of the most intelligent people on this board. No question about it.

[shiftedShapes]

MattC is one of the most intelligent people on this board. No question about it.

your statement does not necessarily contradict mine.

[The Master]

your statement does not necessarily contradict mine.

What it means is that you did not base your statement on any kind of commonly accepted objective criteria for intelligence, while I did. As long as your statement was meant as a pure subjective statement, no contradiction did occur. Perhaps you just don't like him

[shiftedShapes]

What it means is that you did not base your statement on any kind of commonly accepted objective criteria for intelligence, while I did. Perhaps you just don't like him

no that's not what your statement meant.  It might have been what you were thinking when you wrote it.

I'm starting to like him less and less.  I think his argument tactic in this thread--ignore rebuttal and reassert original claim--is either cowardly, indicative of low intellect, or both.

[The Master]

no that's not what your statement meant.  It might have been what you were thinking when you wrote it.

I'm starting to like him less and less.  I think his argument tactic in this thread--ignore rebuttal and reassert original claim--is either cowardly, indicative of low intellect, or both.

That's what my statement meant. Matt included data about his IQ (top2%) and academic achievements, two commonly accepted indicators of intelligence, and my statement was written in that context a few posts after his. It is very obvious.

His Getbig antics is not a good way to evaluate his intelligence.

[shiftedShapes]

That's what my statement meant. Matt included data about his IQ (top2%) and academic achievements, two commonly accepted indicators of intelligence, and my statement was written in that context a few posts after his. It is very obvious.

His Getbig antics is not a good way to evaluate his intelligence.

first of all his claimed IQ is not an indicator of anything except that he claims it.  Second neither an IQ in the top 2% nor "almost" getting a masters in math is something to brag about.

Third I am right about the meaning of your statement.  If you mean to say something do it with words, clearly and concisely, I'm not a mind reader.