GOD WILL

[Necrosis]

if you look at human attributes and actions you notice some things.One of the main things are

 we use threats of punishment when people dont comply with our will. that is, if a child does something wrong or wont listen, we say "Your not watching tv tonight", we use a terror system with polar right and wrong.

God of the bible is like this. if we sin we will be punished, if we do that, this will happen.

it sounds like god is quite human in that he suffers from this weakness. If he does then a simple example would suffice.

a retarded person, clearly by scientific standards cannot choose right or wrong nor have a sense of morality(obviously there are varying degrees). Does he get punished for the sins he was not aware of? even though god made him like that?

my question is why is it that god has humanistic traits, i would perceive as weaknesses or negatives, and how can a retard accept christ and go to heaven if he cannot comprehend the concept? wouldnt that be god making a retard for the simple fact of torturing him?

any retards offended by this thread like camel jockey, i apologize.

[Unknown8471]

the way i see the christen punishment sistem.

God has predetermend evrything.
if so then god already has decided wether or not i am going to be evil in my life.
and thus i am playing inacord whith his will wether i want to or not.
and so ether there is no hell or God is a jerk.

[loco]

if you look at human attributes and actions you notice some things.One of the main things are

 we use threats of punishment when people dont comply with our will. that is, if a child does something wrong or wont listen, we say "Your not watching tv tonight", we use a terror system with polar right and wrong.

God of the bible is like this. if we sin we will be punished, if we do that, this will happen.

Not all humans are the same.  Some learn by a simple example or by simple instructions.  Others, unfortunately only respond to punishment. 

Proverbs 19:25
"Flog a mocker, and the simple will learn prudence; rebuke a discerning man, and he will gain knowledge."

it sounds like god is quite human in that he suffers from this weakness. If he does then a simple example would suffice.

I don't believe that this is a weakness or that it has anything to do with God.  It has more to do with what humans respond to best.  Like I said, some humans respond to a simple example and to simple instructions.  Others respond only to punishment.  They'll do as much as they can get away with, or they'll do all kinds of bad things believing that it is okay as long as they don't get caught, no integrity.

a retarded person, clearly by scientific standards cannot choose right or wrong nor have a sense of morality(obviously there are varying degrees). Does he get punished for the sins he was not aware of? even though god made him like that?
my question is why is it that god has humanistic traits, i would perceive as weaknesses or negatives, and how can a retard accept christ and go to heaven if he cannot comprehend the concept? wouldnt that be god making a retard for the simple fact of torturing him?

I believe that babies and mentally retarded people are innocent.  I do not believe that God would condemn these people.  I do not believe that's Biblical.

any retards offended by this thread like camel jockey, i apologize.

   I don't believe that Camel Jockey is really a retard, so he is not off the hook.

my question is why is it that god has humanistic traits

It is not that God has humanistic traits.  It is the other way around.  God created us in His image and likeness.  So when you see God having traits similar to ours, it is because we have traits from God. 

When you see a child and his father, and you notice that they have similar traits, you don't ask why the father has some traits that are the same as his child.  The child is the one who got these traits from his father.

[Decker]

if you look at human attributes and actions you notice some things.One of the main things are

 we use threats of punishment when people dont comply with our will. that is, if a child does something wrong or wont listen, we say "Your not watching tv tonight", we use a terror system with polar right and wrong.

God of the bible is like this. if we sin we will be punished, if we do that, this will happen.

it sounds like god is quite human in that he suffers from this weakness. If he does then a simple example would suffice.

a retarded person, clearly by scientific standards cannot choose right or wrong nor have a sense of morality(obviously there are varying degrees). Does he get punished for the sins he was not aware of? even though god made him like that?

my question is why is it that god has humanistic traits, i would perceive as weaknesses or negatives, and how can a retard accept christ and go to heaven if he cannot comprehend the concept? wouldnt that be god making a retard for the simple fact of torturing him?

any retards offended by this thread like camel jockey, i apologize.

That is interesting.  The entire Bible is a chronicle of man's failure to live up to the various covenants with God.

God is not reducible to description in word or scientific formula.  We read man's interpretation of what God may be therefore human traits are projected on the conception created.  It's a work of man.

[loco]

God may be therefore human traits are projected on the conception created.  It's a work of man.

The opposite could be said, that man is a work of God, created in God's image and likeness.  Therefore God and man share some traits.

[Decker]

The opposite could be said, that man is a work of God, created in God's image and likeness.  Therefore God and man share some traits.

Yes, as a grammatical construct the logic is biconditional.  But the bible was written by man (divinely inspired or not) and man has attributed (anthropomorphized) human qualities to Him.  He is a jealous god.  He is a vengeful god.  He is a destructive god.  Is God subject to the vagaries of human emotion? 

I don't think so.  God transcends all human effort to truly conceptualize Him....the bible included, therefore that biconditional logic does not apply in this instance.

In all of infinity and the limitlessness of space, God decided that a small band of desert-dwellers were His chosen people and the focus of His supreme efforts.  Interesting. 

[loco]

He is a jealous god.  He is a vengeful god.  He is a destructive god.  Is God subject to the vagaries of human emotion? 

Yes, I believe so.

In all of infinity and the limitlessness of space, God decided that a small band of desert-dwellers were His chosen people and the focus of His supreme efforts.  Interesting. 

Yes, I believe so, by faith.  However, history seems to support this too.  Israel, God's chosen people, seems to have survived through history against all odds.  Also, many prophecies about Israel, though very unlikely to to come true, did come true, such as Israel coming back to their land and such as Israel taking over Jerusalem again.  You can attribute that to anything but God.  I attribute it to God, as written in the Bible.

[Colossus_500]

Yes, I believe so.

Yes, I believe so, by faith.  However, history seems to support this too.  Israel, God's chosen people, seems to have survived through history against all odds.  Also, many prophecies about Israel, though very unlikely to to come true, did come true, such as Israel coming back to their land and such as Israel taking over Jerusalem again.  You can attribute that to anything but God.  I attribute it to God, as written in the Bible.

Well said, loco. 

[loco]

Well said, loco. 

Thanks, Colossus_500!   

[Decker]

Yes, I believe so.

Yes, I believe so, by faith.  However, history seems to support this too.  Israel, God's chosen people, seems to have survived through history against all odds.  Also, many prophecies about Israel, though very unlikely to to come true, did come true, such as Israel coming back to their land and such as Israel taking over Jerusalem again.  You can attribute that to anything but God.  I attribute it to God, as written in the Bible.

An article of faith is an article of faith.  I don't think history supports your contention and I'll tell you why:  reason is a whore.  You can reason anything and see propehcy anywhere for whatever purpose.  Does survival of an ethnic group through the years mean they are chosen by god to lead the world as an example?  You see it.  I do not.

Does the British creation of the Jewish state in the middle east in the 20th century fulfill prophecy?  Or is Israel just as relevant a militarily strategic area as it has always been?

I don't know.

I'm not trying to denigrate your beliefs at all.  I just like discussing things.

[Colossus_500]

An article of faith is an article of faith.  I don't think history supports your contention and I'll tell you why:  reason is a whore.  You can reason anything and see propehcy anywhere for whatever purpose.

This is only true if you don't have a fixed frame of reference.

[loco]

An article of faith is an article of faith.  I don't think history supports your contention and I'll tell you why:  reason is a whore. 

I agree, that in the end you must have faith.  I have faith.

You can reason anything and see propehcy anywhere for whatever purpose. 

You may see prophecy anywhere for whatever purpose, but I don't.  I see very detailed, very unlikely to be fulfilled prophecies only in the Bible, and mostly about Israel.

Does survival of an ethnic group through the years mean they are chosen by god to lead the world as an example?  You see it.  I do not.

No, survival of an ethnic group through the years does not mean that they are chosen by God.  Israel is chosen by God because the Bible says so and I believe it.  History seems to support this.  The more I learn about Israel and their history, the more I see this.  It is not only that they have survived.  It is much more than that. 

Does the British creation of the Jewish state in the middle east in the 20th century fulfill prophecy?  Or is Israel just as relevant a militarily strategic area as it has always been?

I don't know.

Yes, it does fulfill the prophecy.  It does not matter how or why it was fulfilled.  What matters is that it was foretold, it was very unlikely to happen, but the prophecy was fulfilled nonetheless, just as foretold.  And this is just one of many detailed, very unlikely to be fulfilled prophecies which came true.  And there are more to come.  Just wait and see.

I'm not trying to denigrate your beliefs at all.  I just like discussing things.

I know.  That is what this discussion board is for.