THE " BIGGER IS BETTER " ARGUMENT

[bigdumbbell]

Bigger is better if you look good.  I am bigger than I was before but I look like shit now.  So in my case bigger is worse.  I like myself at a small 298 lbs.

LOL   hang in there bro.  you can do it again.

[Cleanest Natural]

In bbdg, you need to posses the whole package. Size included. Being small and cut just doesn't win shows. Period. Personally, I would rather look bigger with symmetry and proportion then one of those gimp baywatch characters that weigh 150lbs soaked and wet.

PB

we get it playboy...u keep mentioning size...u lacking in  that dept?   

[onlyme]

how much did u weigh at your heaviest keith?

You know I really don't want to say right now.  I am down in weight but not close yet to my goal of what I was before.  I think I will feel better when I lose a little more.  But I am pretty confident at my heaviest I was the heaviest of any getbigger ever.  And it definitely ain't worth bragging about.  Right now I am trying to stay healthy enough to keep training.  Twisted my ankle carrying a hide-a-bed by myself so that put me out for about 10 days.  Better now.

[HowieW]

Kai Greene and Dennis Wolfe - Great size and Symmetry.

Victor Martinez - Great size and Symmetry.



But its true, people wanna see freaks, that is what sells the tickets and the magazines.  Hell, when I was younger I just wanted to be a massive freak...  Then I realized that I'm never going to be like that, especially that I'm natural, so now I also regard the importance of symmetry and cuts.  But that is not to say size isn't important!

It is pretty simple when it comes to this issue.
Bodybuilding is after all about building large visible muscles, no question about that. However, we need to always remember it is a PHYSIQUE contest (* or should be). The unnatural size is only possible with extreme use of anabolic/androgenic drugs. The root of this issues stems from and ends with DRUG use out of control in BB.

[bigdumbbell]

It is pretty simple when it comes to this issue.
Bodybuilding is after all about building large visible muscles, no question about that. However, we need to always remember it is a PHYSIQUE contest (* or should be). The unnatural size is only possible with extreme use of anabolic/androgenic drugs. The root of this issues stems from and ends with DRUG use out of control in BB.

are you a strict creationist in applied bodybuilding theory?

[HowieW]

are you a strict creationist in applied bodybuilding theory?

LOL no  am devotee to the evolution side of things 

Another core issue is in judging a physique. Dog shows do a much better job. For example, you have to adhere to the breed standard. You can't win with a poodle that has chest of a bulldog just because you think he looks "freaky" or "massive".

Zane , in my opinion was the ideal classic physique.

[bigdumbbell]

LOL no  am devotee to the evolution side of things 

Another core issue is in judging a physique. Dog shows do a much better job. For example, you have to adhere to the breed standard. You can't win with a poodle that has chest of a bulldog just because you think he looks "freaky" or "massive".

Zane , in my opinion was the ideal classic physique.

you are correct about the judging standards/application.  If the IFBB cleaned itself up and gone with the AKC business model there wouldnt be all this inbreeding and cartoon looking freak show winners.  judges would be respected, promoters would have integrity, the IFBB brand valued greater and it would be less of a circus.

Betil Fox would be my ideal classic winner

[BEAST 8692]

LOL no  am devotee to the evolution side of things 

Another core issue is in judging a physique. Dog shows do a much better job. For example, you have to adhere to the breed standard. You can't win with a poodle that has chest of a bulldog just because you think he looks "freaky" or "massive".

Zane , in my opinion was the ideal classic physique.

i see your reasoning but zane was considered a fill in between oliva and schwarzenegger. he was unremarkable which is, perhaps, unfair but that is the reality of entertaining paying customers. they want to be dazzled, awestruck, see something they've never seen before, which is why bbers will keep getting freakier and more unattainable.

[Yorkie T]

I have noticed in the past 10-15 years that most of the rec and serious lifters disregard everything else and focus just on " big" , massive , freaky, etc. This is what I like to call  " GENERATION FLEX" . However , bb is so much more than that . The endless arguments and squibbers I had with the in house retardos resume to one topic only " not big enough ", " swimmer " , etc. Why do u think simetry , proportions and aesthetics are so disregarded nowadays at both pro and rec level?

People who cant get big say they are going for aesthetics.

Generation flex 

[Playboy]

we get it playboy...u keep mentioning size...u lacking in  that dept?   

No Sev, I mentioned the whole package which includes symmetry, proportion, defenition & size as well. If you lack anyone in particular, you loose on the stage. Thats all.

PB

[Figo]

i see your reasoning but zane was considered a fill in between oliva and schwarzenegger. he was unremarkable which is, perhaps, unfair but that is the reality of entertaining paying customers. they want to be dazzled, awestruck, see something they've never seen before, which is why bbers will keep getting freakier and more unattainable.

Very well put.

[Herc]

I think one big problem today is the big guts these guys have.  It should just be a powerlifting contest if it isnt about having a good physique.  There should be a different bodybuilding federation that emphasises symatry and asthetics although I think the whole idea of wearing a speedo in front of a bunch of people is gay anyhow but if it must be done they should go more for asthetics.

[bigdumbbell]

I think one big problem today is the big guts these guys have.  It should just be a powerlifting contest if it isnt about having a good physique.  There should be a different bodybuilding federation that emphasises symatry and asthetics although I think the whole idea of wearing a speedo in front of a bunch of people is gay anyhow but if it must be done they should go more for asthetics.

are you an advocate for the invisible girdle?

[Playboy]

I think one big problem today is the big guts these guys have.  It should just be a powerlifting contest if it isnt about having a good physique.  There should be a different bodybuilding federation that emphasises symatry and asthetics although I think the whole idea of wearing a speedo in front of a bunch of people is gay anyhow but if it must be done they should go more for asthetics.

I agree, the guts are brutal today. That can be attributed to the excessive HGH/IGF-1 abuse. Bbdr's of the eighties and early ninties were very large but they didn't have the pot bellies that the top guys today have, Flex Wheeler excluded.

PB