Perma-Bulkers: Attention - Good News

[nycbull]

Well really what is natural anymore? 

If you want to get really hardcore about being natural take off all your clothes and run out in the wilderness.  There, in a completely natural enviroment, secure your food, water, shelter but do not forget to workout with logs and big rocks etc. 

Let's face it, we are dependant upon one another in the form the socities we live in.  They provide an UNATURAL supply of food, water, and clothing.  We all live in lands of excess compared to a truly natural man living off the land.  Also, taking creatine in huge amounts is not natural. 

Start your cycles and be done with it.

true post...People are always using nature as a way to define normal or even superior. We have all left nature many years ago. None of you are naturals or behave naturally.

[shiftedShapes]

true post...People are always using nature as a way to define normal or even superior. We have all left nature many years ago. None of you are naturals or behave naturally.

the point of being natural is not to claim some sort of moral superiority over juicers.  We stay natural because it is healthier.  I'd be the first one in line for muscle or strength enhancement that didn't shorten my potential lifespan or have unhealthy sides.

Maybe Myostatin inhibition will be that drug, we will have to wait and see.

[Miss Demeanor]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NATURAL MASS MONSTER.  If you want to be a freak get on steroids, but if you're going to stay natural and you want to look like a BBer your only hope is to cultivate an aesthetic physique with dramatic taper.

THIS MEANS ENDING YOUR BULKING AND REDUCING YOUR CALORIES BELOW MAINTENANCE LEVELS UNTIL YOU SHED YOUR HUGE STORES OF INTRA ABDOMINAL FAT.

YOU DONT NEED SUPPLEMENTS TO DO THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH.

I agree with you, Shifted. 

It's hard to believe you're only 15, by the way.  You're a sharp cookie.

[shiftedShapes]

I agree with you, Shifted. 

It's hard to believe you're only 15, by the way.  You're a sharp cookie.

Thanks Miss, you're pretty clever yourself.

[Krankenstein]

so how many ding dongs did you guys scarf down while posting this nonsense.

Isnt that acceptable food for the principles?

[BEAST 8692]

the point of being natural is not to claim some sort of moral superiority over juicers.  We stay natural because it is healthier.  I'd be the first one in line for muscle or strength enhancement that didn't shorten my potential lifespan or have unhealthy sides.
Maybe Myostatin inhibition will be that drug, we will have to wait and see.

gee, i hope you don't eat too much saturated fat/sodium/msg/sugar, drink alcohol, smoke cigarrettes/cannabis, stay up late, take too many pain killers, breath air, use chemicals, drink water, eat processed foods, eat mcdonalds , drive in traffic, eat barbecued/fired meat...

because ALL of those things have actually been proven to 'shorten lifespan' whereas steroid use hasn't.

i'm not advocating steroid use, but i'm always weary of preachers.

[shiftedShapes]

gee, i hope you don't eat too much saturated fat/sodium/msg/sugar, drink alcohol, smoke cigarrettes/cannabis, stay up late, take too many pain killers, breath air, use chemicals, drink water, eat processed foods, eat mcdonalds , drive in traffic, eat barbecued/fired meat...

because ALL of those things have actually been proven to 'shorten lifespan' whereas steroid use hasn't.

i'm not advocating steroid use, but i'm always weary of preachers.

I don't do any of those things to an extent where they would pose a substantial risk of premature death.

I do stick to a CRON (Caloric Restriction with Optimal Nutrition) diet because it is the only proven means of extending one's lifespan.

[War-Horse]

gee, i hope you don't eat too much saturated fat/sodium/msg/sugar, drink alcohol, smoke cigarrettes/cannabis, stay up late, take too many pain killers, breath air, use chemicals, drink water, eat processed foods, eat mcdonalds , drive in traffic, eat barbecued/fired meat...

because ALL of those things have actually been proven to 'shorten lifespan' whereas steroid use hasn't.

i'm not advocating steroid use, but i'm always weary of preachers.

C,mon beast.   Just because a guy does 2-3 things wrong doesnt mean he should add to the list.    For instance i will eat some fruit today and maybe a little ice cream. it doesnt mean i should exclude the fruit cuz my day is shot from  the ice cream.

Better to do something right, than nothing right......

[shiftedShapes]

C,mon beast.   Just because a guy does 2-3 things wrong doesnt mean he should add to the list.    For instance i will eat some fruit today and maybe a little ice cream. it doesnt mean i should exclude the fruit cuz my day is shot from  the ice cream.

Better to do something right, than nothing right......

good point.  Risk should be measured on a continuum, not as a binary. 

[War-Horse]

good point.  Risk should be measured on a continuum, not as a binary. 

Thanks.    But theres no way youre 15yrs old.........your style is 240 like.

[shiftedShapes]

Thanks.    But theres no way youre 15yrs old.........your style is 240 like.

Time runs slow in my orbit.

[War-Horse]

Time runs slow in my orbit.

Believable.    Einstiens theory proved thats possible.

[BEAST 8692]

true.

both have good points but, as i said, just wary of when people preach.

shiftedShapes, you do seem sensible with your approach. are you really only 15?

when i was 15 i was...well i won't go there.

you are right about calorie restriction being a proven method to prolong life span and you are right about natural bbers NEVER going to look like a shredded olympia ready bber. completely different animals and perma bulking is NOT going to achieve this aim. food has/will never have the same effect as hormones. how can it? (honestly, when you think about it )

that hasn't stopped savvy con artists business men from continually to preying upon the deluded masses. they work hand in hand with fraudulent publications like flex magazine who merely promote the myth, whilst under the pretense of promoting 'good health and vitality'. hahaha, probably one of the greatest heists ever and has made the weider empire billions. old joe knows and always did know exactly what 'supplements' actually provide benefit and it has absolutely nothing to do with the victory line.

protein and food supplements are about as important to getting the magazine look as cheese cake.

my point is, that being said, it would be a mistake to resign yourself to thinking that you can only be x amount of size with y body fat %. as soon as you accept that you have resigned yourself to your fate. there are plenty of natural animals throughout history that have become very very muscular, nig, cut and strong without drugs. as i stated, i have only ever been interested in fighting history so i site jeffries and other fighters, but bear in mind these are guys that NEVER did any specific bodybuilding and, i'm sorry, but if you think these great athletes are all 165lbs or less cut up then no wonder your fatter at 135 than jeffries was at 225 and YOU have the advantage because YOU are doing exclusively bbing exercise.

if you think the best you can be is 155lbs or whatever then the very best you will ever actually be is 150lbs and you won't even be shredded btw. you've heard the saying, "i think, therefore i am."

[shiftedShapes]

YOU DONT HAVE BLOCKY PHYSIQUES, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF MUSCLE SEPERATION, and YOU ARE LIKELY WELL PROPORTIONED.

It might not look like it now because you are covered in subcutaneous fat and your waist line is bloated by IAF.  Don't worry though, if you just start eating a more moderate diet (just slightly less than your caloric maintenance level) you will eventually shed all of this deadweight that you have accumulated through years of force feeding.  Let me reiterate, a trim wasitline, and muscle seperation are NOT genetic, they are just a product of low BF levels.

give eating less a try, your energy will go through the roof, and you will be shocked at how much better you look.

[garraeth]

You weight about as much as one of my legs.

[shiftedShapes]

true.

both have good points but, as i said, just wary of when people preach.

shiftedShapes, you do seem sensible with your approach. are you really only 15?

when i was 15 i was...well i won't go there.

you are right about calorie restriction being a proven method to prolong life span and you are right about natural bbers NEVER going to look like a shredded olympia ready bber. completely different animals and perma bulking is NOT going to achieve this aim. food has/will never have the same effect as hormones. how can it? (honestly, when you think about it )

that hasn't stopped savvy con artists business men from continually to preying upon the deluded masses. they work hand in hand with fraudulent publications like flex magazine who merely promote the myth, whilst under the pretense of promoting 'good health and vitality'. hahaha, probably one of the greatest heists ever and has made the weider empire billions. old joe knows and always did know exactly what 'supplements' actually provide benefit and it has absolutely nothing to do with the victory line.

protein and food supplements are about as important to getting the magazine look as cheese cake.

my point is, that being said, it would be a mistake to resign yourself to thinking that you can only be x amount of size with y body fat %. as soon as you accept that you have resigned yourself to your fate. there are plenty of natural animals throughout history that have become very very muscular, nig, cut and strong without drugs. as i stated, i have only ever been interested in fighting history so i site jeffries and other fighters, but bear in mind these are guys that NEVER did any specific bodybuilding and, i'm sorry, but if you think these great athletes are all 165lbs or less cut up then no wonder your fatter at 135 than jeffries was at 225 and YOU have the advantage because YOU are doing exclusively bbing exercise.

if you think the best you can be is 155lbs or whatever then the very best you will ever actually be is 150lbs and you won't even be shredded btw. you've heard the saying, "i think, therefore i am."

I agree with everything that you said up to the part about Jefferies.  Very insightful. 

After that I think you are overestimating the value of visualization.  NAturals hit a plateau.  It is a nice place to be though.  Right now I'm shredded at 150lbs and I give the illusion of being way more muscular than Jefferies, who to me just looks like a Barrell.

To me it's not how big you are, but how big you LOOK.

[shiftedShapes]

well don't feel bad about that,

You can beat obeisity with WILL POWER.

[Man of Steel]

Whoever is in that pic isn't fat.    They're not contest ready bb lean, but they certainly aren't reality fat either.   As compared to rest of the world that person is in great shape.   In the context of the cult of bb he's a "mess".   Which opinion is correct?   Sorry folks, goin with the majority on this one.

[shiftedShapes]

Whoever is in that pic isn't fat.    They're not contest ready bb lean, but they certainly aren't reality fat either.   As compared to rest of the world that person is in great shape.   In the context of the cult of bb he's a "mess".   Which opinion is correct?   Sorry folks, goin with the majority on this one.

HE WOULD LOOK A HELL OF A LOT BETTER IF HE LOST 30-50 LBS (depending on his height)

all he would have to do is top the ridiculous force feedings, and eat a sensible diet.

his lats would look bigger because his waist would be narrower, and they would also appear to insert lower because the muscle would be visible at the insertion point instead of being burried in blubber.  Sam goes for the biceps and basically every other muscle group.

[War-Horse]

Whoever is in that pic isn't fat.    They're not contest ready bb lean, but they certainly aren't reality fat either.   As compared to rest of the world that person is in great shape.   In the context of the cult of bb he's a "mess".   Which opinion is correct?   Sorry folks, goin with the majority on this one.

Thats some fat bitch named Warhorse, my Brother.     That pics a year old, anyway....Im much prettiar now..  252lbs 5'10"    now    227lbs...   no drugs.

[shiftedShapes]

Thats some fat bitch named Warhorse, my Brother.     That pics a year old, anyway....Im much prettiar now..  252lbs 5'10"    now    227lbs...   no drugs.

you are on your way.  You will look great lean.

[Man of Steel]

HE WOULD LOOK A HELL OF A LOT BETTER IF HE LOST 30-50 LBS (depending on his height)

all he would have to do is top the ridiculous force feedings, and eat a sensible diet.

his lats would look bigger because his waist would be narrower, and they would also appear to insert lower because the muscle would be visible at the insertion point instead of being burried in blubber.  Sam goes for the biceps and basically every other muscle group.

AHAHAAHAH!!!  30-50 lbs.....you're outta your embittered natty bb'ing mind.   That man looks just fine with those bf levels....looks very healthy.....there's not question he works out......woman love his look.    If he chooses to go lighter so be it.   With embittered natties, once you crush their "he looks like crap" arguement then they shoot for the "he could look SOOOOO much better".  Says who?  An embittered natty....the most biased, unrelenting of physique opinions?   If he lost 50lbs he'd look like nothin.....I don't give a shit if his size is combo of muscle and fat........natties can't accept that some people don't care about being less than 10% bf.

[Man of Steel]

well don't feel bad about that,

You can beat obeisity with WILL POWER.

If you can't spell obesity, don't assume you can define or grasp it either.

[shiftedShapes]

AHAHAAHAH!!!  30-50 lbs.....you're outta your embittered natty bb'ing mind.   That man looks just fine with those bf levels....looks very healthy.....there's not question he works out......woman love his look.    If he chooses to go lighter so be it.   With embittered natties, once you crush their "he looks like crap" arguement then they shoot for the "he could look SOOOOO much better".  Says who?  An embittered natty....the most biased, unrelenting of physique opinions?   If he lost 50lbs he'd look like nothin.....I don't give a shit if his size is combo of muscle and fat........natties can't accept that some people don't care about being less than 10% bf.

what's the quote about easy tiger?  Well whatever it is apply it here, you seem to be in a frenzy.

Warhorse himself just said that he lost 25lbs already so he obviously agrees with me.

As far as how he looks now, yeah no one would say he's fat, and he does look big.  However, if he was lean he would be a lot healthier, and would actually look a lot more muscular.  Seems like the right choice is obvious to both me and war horse.  What is your investment in keeping him bulked, do you need reassurance that you are making the right choice by being pudgy?

[BEAST 8692]

I agree with everything that you said up to the part about Jefferies.  Very insightful. 

After that I think you are overestimating the value of visualization.  NAturals hit a plateau.  It is a nice place to be though.  Right now I'm shredded at 150lbs and I give the illusion of being way more muscular than Jefferies, who to me just looks like a Barrell.

To me it's not how big you are, but how big you LOOK.

well, maybe that's where we differ because i'm not about just appearing like. i am big, muscular and strong and i wouldn't have it any other way.

nothing would be more depressing for me than to kill my funtionality and power in the name of an illusion. gives me shivers just thinking about it.

have/can you provide pics of your shredded 150lb self to illustrate your point and in relation to jeffries?