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SICKO??? HEALTH CARE???
« on: July 01, 2007, 12:23:44 AM »
IF anyone has seen the movie did you like it????? And regardless of wether or not your a Michael Moore fan. What are your views on health care...

Me personally, I'm a pre-health bio/physics major and a respectable college and I completely support universal health care. I wish we had a system that would blow everyones out of the water no no money.

And another question, do your think this topic is worth choosing a candidate for. How does this topic rate compaired to the war in Iraq

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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2007, 12:25:48 AM »
I bet the only way Michael Moore gets laid is by paying prostitutes.

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2007, 12:30:02 AM »
some vegas ones are smoking hott, SO yea good comment douchebag, so what about healthcare, so bout you type something worth reading.

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2007, 01:02:42 AM »
I think there has to be some sort of reform. Just because this is a capitalist country does not mean that we have to have privatized health care. Many things in the US are government run because you can't trust them to the whims and greed of industry- schools, police, firefighters, etc.

I think it is ridiculous how corrupt some of these insurance companies are. The LA Times ran an expose on the corrupt nature of the health insurance industry a while back- what they do is completely unethical

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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2007, 01:32:14 AM »
I have seen it and love it.  It is something every American should be required to view and discuss.

Healthcare SHOULD be Universal.  It is a Human Right and a Necesscity.  A healthier country= a healither economy.  We are currently ranked 36th in the world, behind Slovenia in healthcare.  We are the ONLY industrialized nation without Universal healthcare.  We do not expect some people to get partial police and fire coverage, why should we expect people to get partial or no health coverage?  I know firsthand how crooked Health Insurance companies are as I have worked with one before.

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2007, 01:33:50 AM »
Let me know if you would like to see it free.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2007, 04:32:46 AM »
free? it will be payed by tax dollars. you communist. why dont you wanna see the government run everything? wouldnt that be great?

Seems to work fine in europe. Walk in and out for free with quality healthcare and doctors payed based on how good they are but if you like paying 60,000 out of your own pocket for a weeks stay in a hospital then i guess thats fine too. Vote democrat in 2008.

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2007, 04:45:01 AM »
free? nothing is free. it's payed by taxes.

Ohh.... wow.. thank you bluto. I just had an amazing revelation.... That is just terrible. All money should go to big business HMO and papa daddy Bush. Vote republican in 2008!! Thank you for the insightful advice.

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2007, 04:59:24 AM »
tell me more bout the healthcare in europe? i guess its the same in every european country right?

i await your reply. being european and all it should be interesting!
You are an idiot if you do not believe that our health care system is in shambles. Continue to deny it. Maybe one day you will be one of the many lucky ones who get turned down for insurance.

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2007, 05:02:07 AM »
tell me more bout the healthcare in europe? i guess its the same in every european country right?

i await your reply. being european and all it should be interesting!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3881779810159387642&q=sicko&total=2244&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2007, 05:08:43 AM »
i make a comment on something adonis says. you dont get it and start talking about something else. the joke is on you.
All you are doing is stirring shit with little or no back ground information. You are like a child trying to participate in an adult conversation.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2007, 11:16:01 AM »
Healthcare SHOULD be Universal.  It is a Human Right and a Necesscity.

No, it is not a human right.  You have no right to anything beyond what you earn from the moment you're born until the moment you die.  It bothers me that socialists now consider services provided by the work of others to be their "right".  You are no more entitled to health care paid for by others than you are entitled to any other property of theirs.

Healthcare SHOULD be Universal.  It is a Human Right and a Necesscity.  A healthier country= a healither economy.

I had this discussion with my aunt.  This implies that socialized health care creates a healthier economy.  It does not.  Michael Moore says we should "eliminate the profit motive".  What offends me the most is that the only reason the quality of care in the USA is as high as it is is because of the profit motive - BECAUSE of capitalism - Michael Moore suggests that we can have the same degree of production and efficiency without a profit incentive!  This is so absurd it is pollution to my brain to even read it.  Without the profit motivator, production decreases or halts completely - it seems that just like basic economics, like the Second Amendment, is something Michael Moore has absolutely no idea about.

It's called the Big Tradeoff - fairness and efficiency. If the government forcibly redistributes the pie, the pie becomes smaller for everyone.

Moreover, perverse things happen in socialized medicine. Like 16-month waiting lists for surgery. Like three lithotripters in a major city, wheras in America there are 300 in a similar city. Like the system subsidizing the care of upper middle class people who could easily afford it themselves.

There is plenty of suffering in the world, and what galls me is the leftist view that redistributing money to the less well off in North America is the best place to do so. If you truly wanted to minimize suffering, you'd hand that money to starving Africans. I say, let a rich world renal victim die and spend the thousands of government dollars saving literally hundreds of people in Africa. THIS would be the compassionate thing to do. No?

Of course, the real way to minimize suffering is to have fair rules. Trade with Africans, have a large economy, and things will be best in the long run. Even if people die in the meantime.  Under socialist policies, MORE people die and get sick.  This is another thing that offends me about socialists, the fact that they don't understand that both capitalism and socialism cause harm, but capitalism causes the least amount of harm of the two.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2007, 11:22:56 AM »
No, it is not a human right.  You have no right to anything beyond what you earn from the moment you're born until the moment you die.  It bothers me that socialists now consider services provided by the work of others to be their "right".  You are no more entitled to health care paid for by others than you are entitled to any other property of theirs.
It could be argued that "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" should include universal health care.

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2007, 11:28:20 AM »
It could be argued that "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" should include universal health care.

It could also be argued (more effectively as well) that the right to put any substance you want in your own body falls under "liberty".  The problem with health care falling into these categories is that it infringes on the rights of others when they must pay for your care - having their funds confiscated through force by the state to do so (also known as "robbery").
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2007, 11:49:23 AM »
Moreover, perverse things happen in socialized medicine. Like 16-month waiting lists for surgery. Like three lithotripters in a major city, wheras in America there are 300 in a similar city.


This one sentence right here is why I will never support socialized medicine. Right now I can get a diagnostic test or surgery within days if I need it.  In Europe or Canada there are months-long waits for these things.  I absolutely will not compromise the quality of MY healthcare just so fatass no-job-having LaKeesha and Tamika can get a free checkup, nor will I have some government bureaucrat deciding for me what I can and can't have in terms of healthcare.   >:(
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2007, 11:54:50 AM »
PS:  Michael Moore is an ignorant, manipulative, fat sack of shit who this world would be better off without.
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2007, 12:00:02 PM »
PS:  Michael Moore is an ignorant, manipulative, fat sack of shit who this world would be better off without.

second that

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2007, 12:23:09 PM »

This one sentence right here is why I will never support socialized medicine. Right now I can get a diagnostic test or surgery within days if I need it.  In Europe or Canada there are months-long waits for these things.  I absolutely will not compromise the quality of MY healthcare just so fatass no-job-having LaKeesha and Tamika can get a free checkup, nor will I have some government bureaucrat deciding for me what I can and can't have in terms of healthcare.   >:(

Exactly.  Socialism creates perverse incentives which are more destructive than they are productive.  Where is the incentive to care about your own health when health care is provided for by the state?

By the way, I admit that Michael Moore does make some  good points, but overall I think he has a lot to learn.  I agree that when you sign a contract and pay money which entitles you to certain care, you deserve to receive that care.  Some companies do withhold care from people which they paid for and that is wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2007, 12:39:08 PM »
Seems to work fine in europe. Walk in and out for free with quality healthcare and doctors payed based on how good they are but if you like paying 60,000 out of your own pocket for a weeks stay in a hospital then i guess thats fine too. Vote democrat in 2008.

Yeah that's why everyone with money in Europe or any other country for that matter comes to the US when they need the best  medical care on the planet.

Don't vote again til we have a leader to vote for...

85% of America is covered in some way shape or form so it's not as big a deal as it seams or as the naysayers would lead you to believe.  If we reformed the way that the medical system rips off the patient which is then essentially rubber stamped by the insurer and couple that with removing 20 million illegals from the health and welfare system that the rest of us taxpayers supplement then you'd be on to something. 

I haven't seen the movie but every Michael Moore movie I have seen was nothing more than a "Movie" so keep that in mind when you form your opinion.  Nothing more disturbing than the attempts at humor in Fahrenheit 911, ha ha 3000 dead Americans... hilarious.  The only thing that was funny and apropo was our illustrious dumbass loser president trying to tell the fuck me once shame on you fuck me twice etc. maxim at the end.

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2007, 12:43:35 PM »
I've had no problems with my healthcare. I got smashed in the face with a piece of lumber and busted my nose. About $12,000 to make it straight again. Insurance paid it all. My grandpa had 2 heart attacks and had $50,000 surgery. Insurance paid all but about $500. This video does make it sound worse than it is.

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2007, 01:09:31 PM »
Yeah that's why everyone with money in Europe or any other country for that matter comes to the US when they need the best  medical care on the planet.



are you sure about that? I think there is a bit of ethnocentrism in that statement. You mean to tell me there aren't top level doctors and surgeons in western europe?

also, whether it is paid for or not through insurance, the cost of health care in the US is ridiculously high. About a year ago, I got a severe cut on a finger on my left hand- simple stitches were needed- cost was $1600, of which I had to pay $450. For stitches!
slightly before that, I had a simple physical in which standard blood work was done and it cost me nearly $600- and I have full coverage!

also, the pharmaceutical companies charge far too much for the drugs they market and many doctors are basically bribed into prescribing them.

i'm not saying that universal health care is necessarily the answer, but people must at least admit that the US system is very flawed and needs significant reform.

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2007, 01:20:48 PM »
are you sure about that? I think there is a bit of ethnocentrism in that statement. You mean to tell me there aren't top level doctors and surgeons in western europe?

also, whether it is paid for or not through insurance, the cost of health care in the US is ridiculously high. About a year ago, I got a severe cut on a finger on my left hand- simple stitches were needed- cost was $1600, of which I had to pay $450. For stitches!
slightly before that, I had a simple physical in which standard blood work was done and it cost me nearly $600- and I have full coverage!

also, the pharmaceutical companies charge far too much for the drugs they market and many doctors are basically bribed into prescribing them.

i'm not saying that universal health care is necessarily the answer, but people must at least admit that the US system is very flawed and needs significant reform.

Yes that's what I'm telling you, the best medical care is here in the US that's why everyone comes here for medical care and medical training.

I agree with you on the cost, there's no oversight compared to any other industry but then again figure in the cost of operating a hospital here.  Emergency Rooms just standing still are notoriously expensive..

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2007, 01:25:31 PM »
are you sure about that? I think there is a bit of ethnocentrism in that statement. You mean to tell me there aren't top level doctors and surgeons in western europe?


The best doctors in the world, regardless of their ethnicity or nationality, come to America to practice.  That's a fact.
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2007, 01:33:06 PM »
I hate to say it... or maybe don't, but the world is overpopulated anyways.

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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2007, 02:04:03 PM »

The best doctors in the world, regardless of their ethnicity or nationality, come to America to practice.  That's a fact.

Which begs the question, how do you define "best"?