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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2007, 07:29:35 AM »
My Milos Shakes brings all the boys to the yard

and their life is better than yours

damm right it's better than yours

I could teach you, but I'd have to charge

la la la la
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2007, 07:31:41 AM »
Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2007, 07:14:36 AM
If you know anything about specific glucose (and glucose polymers) you would know that indeed YOU DON'T NEED blood for digestion...
It takes about 3 minutes for glucose to finds its way from your mouth to your bloodstream...
no i dont know anything about it thats why im asking. thanks for the answer.
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2007, 07:35:16 AM »
I don't see where he's getting the "complete protein won't be absorbed, but 8 essential amino acids in isolation will be" thing from.  Unless there are numerous well-designed studies backing this up, it seems a bit spurious to me.

However, the concept of having nutrients in the bloodstream while the workout is happening and immediately thereafter does make a lot of sense. I'm just not buying the argument that a glucose/whey isolate combo wouldn't accomplish this. 

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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2007, 08:04:16 AM »
Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2007, 07:14:36 AM
Some carbs (starches) - amylopectin...amylose DO...but monomers, dimers and some polymers (glucose, sucrose, maltodextrin, Vitargo...etc) DON'T.

If you know anything about specific glucose (and glucose polymers) you would know that indeed YOU DON'T NEED blood for digestion...
It takes about 3 minutes for glucose to finds its way from your mouth to your bloodstream...

Milos, Vitargo is pure amylopectin... it is amylopectin from barley starch. In the past it was amylopection from waxy maize starch. It is incorrect to differentiate between Vitargo and amylopectin when they are one and the same.
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2007, 08:16:18 AM »
i heard some good things about vitargo.
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2007, 09:07:35 AM »
Quote from: nukkaready on July 03, 2007, 08:04:16 AM
Milos, Vitargo is pure amylopectin... it is amylopectin from barley starch. In the past it was amylopection from waxy maize starch. It is incorrect to differentiate between Vitargo and amylopectin when they are one and the same.

Highmolecular weight glucose polymers like VITARGO is not amylopectin that I as refering to...
I was simply answering question he was asking about the CRABS in general...not just "supplemental carbs".

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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2007, 09:12:44 AM »
Quote from: G o a t b o y on July 03, 2007, 07:35:16 AM
I don't see where he's getting the "complete protein won't be absorbed, but 8 essential amino acids in isolation will be" thing from.  Unless there are numerous well-designed studies backing this up, it seems a bit spurious to me.

However, the concept of having nutrients in the bloodstream while the workout is happening and immediately thereafter does make a lot of sense. I'm just not buying the argument that a glucose/whey isolate combo wouldn't accomplish this. 



You don't see?
COMPLETE protein is COMPLETE as it contains all the essential aminos we are talking about...but as a protein it is a chain of at least 100 amino acids - and #1 needs time to be broken down and digested...(therfore taking TIME and BLOOD)...and#2 - releasing high amount of NONESSENTIAL aminos which WILL compete for the absorption...

Do little search and I am sure you'll find it...but better yet TEST for yourself and see what happens.
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2007, 09:13:17 AM »
Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
Highmolecular weight glucose polymers like VITARGO is not amylopectin that I as refering to...
I was simply answering question he was asking about the CRABS in general...not just "supplemental carbs".



you dont need additonal blood or water in your gut to digest Vitargo or amylopectin if mixed with an ample amount of fluids upon ingestion to create the proper osmolarity rate as both are the same... they are amylopectin. amylopectin has a high GI index and is great for stimulating insulin. it's the ideal carb source to ingest during your workout... don't matter if you pay top dollars to buy Vitargo brand or if you go with much cheaper wazxy maize starch from national starch company.
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2007, 09:17:04 AM »
FWIW - you guys should really look at Trueprotein's site, again if you haven't already. Put together your own blend of waxy maize + BCAA's or add in extra EAA or Leucine, reasonably priced too.
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2007, 09:21:11 AM »
Quote from: nukkaready on July 03, 2007, 09:13:17 AM
you dont need additonal blood or water in your gut to digest Vitargo or amylopectin if mixed with an ample amount of fluids upon ingestion to create the proper osmolarity rate as both are the same... they are amylopectin. amylopectin has a high GI index and is great for stimulating insulin. it's the ideal carb source to ingest during your workout... don't matter if you pay top dollars to buy Vitargo brand or if you go with much cheaper wazxy maize starch from national starch company.

EXACTLY...
Vitargo IS FAST and will do the job just fine...and if you didn't see already - I wrote few articles about Vitargo and promoted for few years...
But, what I have realized IF we don't use HUGE amounts of GLUCOSE - than really Vitargo's benefits are not worth the price....

Vitargo is my choice if amount of carbs per serving exceed 100grams...
For this amount fast acting carbs in "my drink" I would certainly suggest VITARGO due to fast gastric emptying and beneficial osmolility...but if carbs are at 20-30-40-50-60 grams per serving than Glucose and/or Maltodextrin is JUST FINE but much less expensive!
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2007, 10:16:10 AM »
Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2007, 06:59:56 AM
Rather..it is drug-like results producing shake... ;)

Yes, when you are on drugs.  ;D
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2007, 10:39:48 AM »
Props to Milos for being the only supplement guy to actually state how his product works.

Wish you much luck..
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2007, 10:53:55 AM »
Quote from: chainsaw on July 03, 2007, 10:39:48 AM
Props to Milos for being the only supplement guy to actually state how his product works.

Wish you much luck..

He's definitely one of the pros who actually knows the science behind what he is doing.  I wrote a big article today on Milos in fact, but my FTP program seems to be not working.
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2007, 11:49:50 AM »
Milos,

Thank you for the informative answers, looking forward to trying the shakes when I get them!

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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2007, 12:27:25 PM »
Quote from: chainsaw on July 03, 2007, 10:39:48 AM
Props to Milos for being the only supplement guy to actually state how his product works.

Wish you much luck..

Well, here it is...

Take bodybuilding magazines and look at the adds...Who understands WHAT is being sold?
Nano technology with pico precision of dormant muscle fibers which will be awaken using whatever pathway of genetically engineered keto molecules of nebulous's...

Today's pattern is: CONFUSE the consumer, serve them some high-tech terminology with spice of biochemistry - and expect them to try the supplement without asking HOW and WHY this supplement will really work...

I always stand behind my diets, training, supplements as I must elaborate HOW and WHY everything is going to work...

I wish MORE PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS before they just blindly do whatever.
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2007, 12:28:24 PM »
Quote from: Matt C on July 03, 2007, 10:16:10 AM
Yes, when you are on drugs.  ;D

And when you are on drugs (right drugs that is) than results are even better... ;)
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2007, 03:36:39 PM »
Quote from: swilkins1984 on July 03, 2007, 07:14:19 AM
I'm looking into getting this Univeral EAA formulation to try in the shake. Its flavored and a good price.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/eaa.html
That was a great find. I've been looking for something like this.
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2007, 03:36:54 PM »
we can't buy your products if we are not from USA  ???  :(
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2007, 04:27:24 PM »
Quote from: Dave Baran on July 03, 2007, 03:36:54 PM
we can't buy your products if we are not from USA  ???  :(
Not yet...give it another month or two...
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Re: Milos Shakes!
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2007, 06:51:18 AM »
Quote from: The Squadfather on July 03, 2007, 07:06:07 AM
hey Milos i'm going to ask again, is 5 grams of BCAA's, 5 grams of creatine and 12oz. of grape juice a "decent" substitute for the during workout shake, i understand that you want people to purchase your formula but is that a decent substitute? how quickly do you recommend drinking it during the workout?









yes, squadfather, that is a very good substitute for the milos shake...just be sure to time it correctly. exactly 1 hour after your pre- workout cheesesteak ( fried onions and ketchup, of course)....and within 30 minutes of your post workout cherry garcia ice cream.......this way you can just fit it in with your existing diet....im here to help!
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2007, 07:01:10 AM »
Cherry garcia ice cream... i forgot they made that stuff... i used to eat a whole carton of that stuff at a time.
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2007, 07:28:14 AM »
Quote from: chainsaw on July 03, 2007, 10:39:48 AM
Props to Milos for being the only supplement guy to actually state how his product works.

Wish you much luck..

exactly!  on another getbig board, someone, whose name i wont mention, because i dont feel like reading 500 pages of repsonses from him, couldnt even answer questions as to what is in his products, but here we get whats in it AND how it works.  thats amazing business practice there! 
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2007, 07:34:25 AM »
Quote from: 240 is Back on July 04, 2007, 07:01:10 AM
Cherry garcia ice cream... i forgot they made that stuff... i used to eat a whole carton of that stuff at a time.

Hey man, just a friendly piece of advice, lay off that stuff, it's really not good for teh cancer victims you know.

Peace out & get well soon bro!
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2007, 04:16:58 PM »
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Re: Milos Sarcev Post Workout Amino Shakes!
« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2007, 05:21:56 PM »
How much does this shake cost?
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