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You cared enough to contribute to the thread ::)

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luke stomack viruses pre comp from lasix use

99% chance Luke's "stomach virus" was due to drugs.  I love how every pro who gets sick on stage or off either blames it on a "stomach virus" or "a genetic predisposition".  Yeah, that's right, it's ALWAYS a virus or genetics.  Get real!  You have a set of people getting sick far more often than the same sized set in the general public, yet this statistical anomaly somehow holds?  Don't insult our intelligence.
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You have a set of people getting sick far more often than the same sized set in the general public
Show me the figures for this.

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GH15,

Have spoken to a few pro, ones who know. That list is way out, so unless you are making up some of these, you are getting wrong info, or more likely, you havent used these. Not one person said that can be accurate. So you must either know someone who is feeding you lots of stuff...


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Show me the figures for this.
Bump.

Come on 'Matt C', where are the figures?

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GH15,

Have spoken to a few pro, ones who know. That list is way out, so unless you are making up some of these, you are getting wrong info, or more likely, you havent used these. Not one person said that can be accurate. So you must either know someone who is feeding you lots of stuff...



snap!  what can gh15 say now? 
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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2007, 10:21:50 AM »
C'mon guys are you seroius?.......
 How many people do you know that are taking 250mg-1000mg week? I know more than i can count on both hands.

Have you ever seen any of those guys get to 280lbs?


Have any of them ever been 250+lbs 4-6%?

Is there not 5 major other boards on the www that have thousands of members w/ many usuing over 2 grams a week?

If you think that Jay, Ronnie, Markus, Art, & Dennis are using 500-1000mg/wk you'll beleive anything.

I have trained with a IFBB pro who turned pro as a middleweight and is one of the smaller guys on stage. I know for a fact! he was using tiny minimal amounts, way less then the average local competitor precontest. But to say 300lbs of shreeded beef is made on 500mgs and some orange roughy is ridiculous. Open Bills book and look at the example of a pro cycle. Look at munzers famous cycle. Look familiar?
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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2007, 10:22:53 AM »
GH15,

Have spoken to a few pro, ones who know. That list is way out, so unless you are making up some of these, you are getting wrong info, or more likely, you havent used these. Not one person said that can be accurate. So you must either know someone who is feeding you lots of stuff...



Ron, you know most of these guy LIE about how much they are using.  They want people to think that they take very little so that they can attribute their huge mass to their "superior knowledge of training & nutrition" ::)  

The only reason I feel confident about the ones I talked about, was because they were part of a study we did.  Even then, I would bet they took more than what they told us...
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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #83 on: July 03, 2007, 10:25:01 AM »
I have trained with a IFBB pro who turned pro as a middleweight and is one of the smaller guys on stage. I know for a fact! he was using tiny minimal amounts, way less then the average local competitor precontest. But to say 300lbs of shreeded beef is made on 500mgs and some orange roughy is ridiculous. Open Bills book and look at the example of a pro cycle. Look at munzers famous cycle. Look familiar?
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Loads of 'guys' like you know someone who definately used X ammount of gear - yet you never name names. Could it be because you're lying?

You have a set of people getting sick far more often than the same sized set in the general public,
Still waiting for the figures to prove this

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #84 on: July 03, 2007, 10:25:32 AM »
I want Palumbos two cents on this one.... Somebody get Dave in here. From cycles he's posted, national level women are using a gram+ weekly
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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #85 on: July 03, 2007, 10:29:27 AM »
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Loads of 'guys' like you know someone who definately used X ammount of gear - yet you never name names. Could it be because you're lying?
Still waiting for the figures to prove this

You're not in the "inner circle".  Live with it :D
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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2007, 10:31:39 AM »
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Loads of 'guys' like you know someone who definately used X ammount of gear - yet you never name names. Could it be because you're lying?
Absolutly not.. But this person has a very good reputation in the bodybuilding community and who am i to tarnish his name w/o permission. I know he goes on this board all the time, yet never posts. What i know is FACT.My close friends on here and other members on here who know me, know exactly who im talking about. If not pm me
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Whoever would take this seriously also believes in Santa...
You think those presents gets piled up under the tree by themselves?

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2007, 10:34:10 AM »
Ron, you know most of these guy LIE about how much they are using.  They want people to think that they take very little so that they can attribute their huge mass to their "superior knowledge of training & nutrition" ::)  

The only reason I feel confident about the ones I talked about, was because they were part of a study we did.  Even then, I would bet they took more than what they told us...

what study?
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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2007, 10:41:22 AM »
what study?

I've been involved in numerous informal studies that included national level & pro level bbdrs.  All centered around protein metabolism.  These studies were for research purposes. It was required for all subjects to disclose what they were using.  All were sunjected to blood/urine tests.  When I say I was involved, I mean that I worked with the companies that conducted the studies.  In some cases, I was one of the subjects...
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GH15,

Have spoken to a few pro, ones who know. That list is way out, so unless you are making up some of these, you are getting wrong info, or more likely, you havent used these. Not one person said that can be accurate. So you must either know someone who is feeding you lots of stuff...


QFT...and I just have to say this again to those dinks who were ripping on me in the original GH15 thread for doubting his sanity:


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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2007, 10:51:47 AM »
I've been involved in numerous informal studies that included national level & pro level bbdrs.  All centered around protein metabolism.  These studies were for research purposes. It was required for all subjects to disclose what they were using.  All were sunjected to blood/urine tests.  When I say I was involved, I mean that I worked with the companies that conducted the studies.  In some cases, I was one of the subjects...

Funny thing is, out of this whole thread I'd tend to believe mindspin the most. ;D 

As he has the least to gain/lose compared to gh15 and milos.

Just out of curiosity...were these studies done with Met-Rx???  It's funny because didn't Met-Rx sponsor some big names like Ronnie Coleman, Quadzilla and even Milos???  Were they involved in these studies???
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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2007, 10:56:58 AM »
Funny thing is, out of this whole thread I'd tend to believe mindspin the most. ;D 

As he has the least to gain/lose compared to gh15 and milos.

Just out of curiosity...were these studies done with Met-Rx???  It's funny because didn't Met-Rx sponsor some big names like Ronnie Coleman, Quadzilla and even Milos???  Were they involved in these studies???

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2007, 11:13:34 AM »
GH15 his cycle is closer to the truth than the one from Milos....
There are people on the steroid boards using more than 'milos' cycle.... I know people using more....
Remember the Andreas muntzer cyle?  It's something more down those lines....

Milo's, Luke.... are trying to protect the business and their self. So are other pro's....  and thats normal.

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2007, 11:23:06 AM »
i will answer ron avidan inquiry and with that i will finish my pertisipation in this thread

lets make it a simple example with names,,lets take the wrestler benoit not even a bodybuilder!! ,,his doctor,,and there are many criminal doctors around that we bodybuilders use and befriend for benefits,,his doctor gave him 10 MONTH WORTH OF AAS EVERY 4 WEEKS,,read this 10 times to yourself and ask yoursef this simple question,,,if a doc gave  a famous athlete that much drugs how much shit can a pro bodybuilder such as myself takes into him,,ask yourself this question as many times and you can,,,and at the end you will see when you grey and old that the answer will be,,as many as the human body can possibly take

200-250mg test amp per week is standard hrt,,now 10 months supply in a month = 10 GRAMS OF SYNTHETIC TEST AND OR OTHER AAS AND THEIR RELATIVES IN A MATTER OF 4 WEEKS EVERY 4 WEEKS,,

NOW THIS 10 GRAMS I DO ADMIT IS PARTLY FOR DISTRIBUTION AMONG OTHER ATHLETES THAT THE DRUGS ARE SOLD TO,,BUT REST ASSURE THE WRESTLER KEPT A NICE 2 GRAM A WEEK OF TEST FOR HIMSELF,,

now,,we are talking here about AN AVERAGE PHYSIQE 220 5'10 10% WITH 10 GRAM GEAR PRESCRIBED EVERY 4 WEEKS,,A WRESTLER THAT DIDNT PUT EVEN 1/5 OF THE TIME A BODYBUILDER PUT IN GYM IN NUTRITION AND IN SLEEP AND DEDICATION,,WITH LITTLE TO NO EFFORT AND SOME TRAINING WHILE BEING ON THE ROAD YEAR OVER YEAR HE MAINTAINED 220 10% WHY?? DUE TO THE THOSE 10 MONTH IN 4 WEEKS DRUG DEAL HE HAD GOING ON FOR YEARS


TAKE THOSE SAME DOSES AND PRODUCTS AND STICK THEM IN MINDSPIN FOR EXAMPLE IN THE PICS OF HIM I SAW AND YOU WILL GET A VERSION OF YOUR LOVELY FRIEND MR PUORTO RICO NATURAL GUSTAV :)

YOU DO NOT WALK AROUND 250LB AT 6 % AT 5'10 WITH OUT YEARS ON AAS AND YEARS OF GOOD QUALITY TRAINING,,

GOTTA PAY THE PRICE BOTH IN THE GYM AND IN THE GEAR DEPARTMENT, PERIOD

THERE ARE VERY FEW GENETIK FREAKS,,THEY STAND AT 6 FEET 230 10% WITH VERY GOOD MUSCLE SHAPE AND MUSCLE BELLIES,,EVEN THOSE COUPLE FREAKS NEED LOTS OF PRODUCTS TO MAKE THIS 230 TO 280 WITH SAME CONDITION OR BETTER,,THOSE FREAKS ARE ALMOST NONE EXISTANT IN USA THEY ARE MAINLY FROM EASTERN EUROPE BUT EVEN THEY CAN ONLY MAINTAIN 230-240LB 8-10% ON MINIMAL DOSES AND THEY CANT STAND A CHANCE UNLESS THEY KICK IT TO HIGH GEAR,,IF NOT THEY ALWAYS STUCK AT THEIR FREAKY 230 9% WITH THEIR GREAT MUSCLE SHAPE

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2007, 11:56:33 AM »
Gh I am not saying this is not true but I know local guys that hit your claims on less than a 1000mgs week total.  Hit gh and slin couple times a year at most.  I amnot saying people don't do it but I don't think all pros would survive on the cycle claimed.  Also is bain still big?  I know alot of people thought it was the greatest thing then wound up small with drug addictions.

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2007, 12:27:24 PM »
GH15 is a bit more on target here I believe than Milos or Ron.
1st, Milos has much to lose. Ron is just playin mod here comparing notes and in the end, his .02 is irrelavant. I mean he has delete power, big deal.

If I know for fact that two competitive top amatueres are hitting close to what GH15 claims then it's very practical for a behemoth pro to use such a protocol.
Denial is a mutha.....get over it.

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2007, 12:34:50 PM »
GH15 is a bit more on target here I believe than Milos or Ron.
1st, Milos has much to lose. Ron is just playin mod here comparing notes and in the end, his .02 is irrelavant. I mean he has delete power, big deal.

If I know for fact that two competitive top amatueres are hitting close to what GH15 claims then it's very practical for a behemoth pro to use such a protocol.
Denial is a mutha.....get over it.


So you know amateurs who shoot 250UI of insulin a day, take 4000mg of Glucophage and 36IU of GH without going into shock?

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Re: Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2007, 12:38:04 PM »

So you know amateurs who shoot 250UI of insulin a day, take 4000mg of Glucophage and 36IU of GH without going into shock?

I wrote ..."hitting close to".   























Dipshit.

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GH15,

Have spoken to a few pro, ones who know. That list is way out, so unless you are making up some of these, you are getting wrong info, or more likely, you havent used these. Not one person said that can be accurate. So you must either know someone who is feeding you lots of stuff...



snap.  ron speaks.  of course there is a chance the pros do tell little lies too. 
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