GH15 Vs Milos

[TheDoctor]

GH15 Vs Milos, who is speaking the truth about dosages for the majority of the Pros.
Please vote.
I have used the darkside and the more shit i have used the bigger i got(Never used insulin or HGH,IGF).
Am a natural now as i do not have that reverse anorexia that used to plauge me, but if i had the money i might try GH15 cycle.
Would i Die or be as big as a Pro.I have good genetics and have responded well in the past to small amounts but nothing like when i put my head on the chopping block and went all out.
Is Milos defending the IFBB by saying Pros use less than more or is GH15 the real deal.My moneys on the latter.Surely there must be genetically gifted bodybuilders in the world at every gym who only use less than a gram a week and is not the next big thing.
Milos comments completely baffle me.
Maybe some juice heads on the board can clarify what GH15 and Milos are saying.Jay Cutler on 1 to 2 grams a week seems laughable.
Discuss

[XXXII/LX]

Milos. People who have to use the doses prescribed by GH15 to grow or be champs are the genetic equivalent of garbage juice.

[TheDoctor]

Small amounts that milos suggested got me maybe 15 pounds ,using close to 4 to 5 grams a week got me crazy big and unhealthy.Not advocating steroid abuse but i did see the results.
Am a healthy natural now for 2 years with athletic physique so why bother using the shit.
Have talked to a few friends who are aspiring bodybuilders and the take more or less what GH15 professes there quite honest with me knowing my background and one is Pro size they just live,work,sleep,train,inject,swallow pills and live what i see as determined Bodybuilding life 24/7.
And by the way The three amigos is what i call them all squat 600 pounds

[TheDoctor]

Milos. People who have to use the doses prescribed by GH15 to grow or be champs are the genetic equivalent of garbage juice.

You have just described the top 6 at last years MrO.

[G]

Milos lies....no doubt - ".5 -1 g of test, and .5-1 g of other AAS,  a few months off in between the cycles and so on" - that' s the biggest joke i 've heard in a while.

[TheDoctor]

If there using such small amounts why were the bodybuilders of the 70s small compared to say Dorian.Thing that make you go HMMM

[Bast000]

If there using such small amounts why were the bodybuilders of the 70s small compared to say Dorian.Thing that make you go HMMM

Exactly, Compare Markus Ruhl and Ronnie to the pros of the 70s.

[Andre Nickatina]

I love how everyone here knows the stacks of the pros 

[G]

Exactly, Compare Markus Ruhl and Ronnie to the pros of the 70s.

 the guys from the 70's were not using small amounts at all, but probably poor cycling and lack of GH and slin is what makes difference!

[Matt C]

Exactly, Compare Markus Ruhl and Ronnie to the pros of the 70s.

I guess the pros back then didn't work hard enough and have a proper diet. 

[Bast000]

I guess the pros back then didn't work hard enough and have a proper diet. 

haha must be cuz protein supplementation is better now.

[XXXII/LX]

Small amounts that milos suggested got me maybe 15 pounds ,using close to 4 to 5 grams a week got me crazy big and unhealthy.Not advocating steroid abuse but i did see the results.
Am a healthy natural now for 2 years with athletic physique so why bother using the shit.
Have talked to a few friends who are aspiring bodybuilders and the take more or less what GH15 professes there quite honest with me knowing my background and one is Pro size they just live,work,sleep,train,inject,swallow pills and live what i see as determined Bodybuilding life 24/7.
And by the way The three amigos is what i call them all squat 600 pounds

I squat 550 and have never used over 1200mg a week. 

[TheDoctor]

I squat 550 and have never used over 1200mg a week. 

These guys are crazy,Mood swings anger management issues.The gifted one uses free weight squats for reps of 8 the other 2 use the smith machine with not great form but they lift hardcore on most exercises.
Funny story one was at GNC and walked out with a stack of supplements without paying and said to the security guard at the mall what he was going to do about it.The security guard said jackshit and he walked off.True story

[TheDoctor]

I squat 550 and have never used over 1200mg a week. 

I Have never been a heavy lifter even with 4 to 5 grams in me a week injectibles and pills and i was only repping out with 400 on squats will not post reps just be called a liar otherwise.
But you are a strong dude lifting 550 with that little in your system.

[XXXII/LX]

I Have never been a heavy lifter even with 4 to 5 grams in me a week injectibles and pills and i was only repping out with 400 on squats will not post reps just be called a liar otherwise.
But you are a strong dude lifting 550 with that little in your system.

I surprised I haven't been flamed yet.  I think I'd feel like shit if I used any more. I tried around 2g's a week once and I was a mess. Constant headaches with a mild "test fever". For me less is definetly more.

[Fulgorre]

Good to have Milos back.  His post are always interesting and well written.  Also, I'm glad the Asian thing worked out as good as it could possibly could for him. 

But Milos, we are not uneducated peasants.  We live in the age of the internet and information about steroids is out there.  It is personally ok with me however much these guys take as it is HIS decision.  You've got to concede the bigger ones (260+ a la Dennis James) take at least 2.5 grams of Test a week.

[TheDoctor]

I surprised I haven't been flamed yet.  I think I'd feel like shit if I used any more. I tried around 2g's a week once and I was a mess. Constant headaches with a mild "test fever". For me less is definetly more.

Now natural i dot use anything over 225pounds except for dumbells for shrugs and the occasional shoulder workout with dumbells i concentrate on tension and pump and i am not small, i have never lied about my lifts on or natural.

[garraeth]

Good to have Milos back.  His post are always interesting and well written.  Also, I'm glad the Asian thing worked out as good as it could possibly could for him. 

But Milos, we are not uneducated peasants.  We live in the age of the internet and information about steroids is out there.  It is personally ok with me however much these guys take as it is HIS decision.  You've got to concede the bigger ones (260+ a la Dennis James) take at least 2.5 grams of Test a week.

I think you're all forgetting what GH15 was proposing. He wasn't saying 2.5g/week...he was saying more like 25g/week...and a whole grab-bag of random additions...bit 'o difference there...

[UK Gold]

Small amounts that milos suggested got me maybe 15 pounds

So a gram of test and 300mgs of deca only got you 15 pounds? Ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha! You obviously have the genetics and work ethic of a slug! A first timer can pack on 20lbs using pro hormones! Damn, you put on 7lbs using creatine! Ha ha ha, you are a joke.

[jason armstrong]

the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.

[TheDoctor]

So a gram of test and 300mgs of deca only got you 15 pounds? Ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha! You obviously have the genetics and work ethic of a slug! A first timer can pack on 20lbs using pro hormones! Damn, you put on 7lbs using creatine! Ha ha ha, you are a joke.

Yes 15 pounds of lean mass over a month not to shabby in my opinion.Prior to the 2 years i have been natural i used moderate to extremly high dosages of androgens and 15 pounds was about a 3rd of what i put on my heaviest cycle.From what my doctor told me my liver was dissolving last heavy cycle about 45 pounds of lean muscle later i quit and went on PCT consisting of drugs prescribed by my doctor for liver diseaese to HCG where my testicle were the size of peanuts.My mistake was to many orals over an extended period of time.
I have been in the Iron game 17 years and imagine on my heaviest cycle i used HGH,IGF,Insulin that i have never used how big i could have become.
I am Natural for life and was joking about using GH15 cycle so all this makes me a joke.Tell this to the three amigos i talked about they would implant a 45 pound plate in your head if you joked about them but personally i could not give a shit what you think about me.
I am clean and will stay so for the rest of my life my doctor has warned me not to drink moderatly or heavy because of my liver situation if i follow his instructions i should live a full life.
I Will enter the MR Getbig in 2008 and see where i am compared to the rest of the board.

[TheDoctor]

the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.

The three amigos i talk about are resposible drug takers they see a Doctor freaquently and have a guru guiding them through this minefield of health issues maybe the gifted one will turn Pro and be on these boards oneday who knows stranger things have happened.

the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.

They are human pin cushions they inject into there calves to there lats quite amusing.

[UK Gold]

Yes 15 pounds of lean mass over a month not to shabby in my opinion.Prior to the 2 years i have been natural i used moderate to extremly high dosages of androgens and 15 pounds was about a 3rd of what i put on my heaviest cycle.From what my doctor told me my liver was dissolving last heavy cycle about 45 pounds of lean muscle later i quit and went on PCT consisting of drugs prescribed by my doctor for liver diseaese to HCG where my testicle were the size of peanuts.
I have been in the Iron game 17 years and imagine on my heaviest cycle i used HGH,IGF,Insulin that i have never used how big i could have become.
I am Natural for life and was joking about using GH15 cycle so all this makes me a joke.Tell this to the three amigos i talked about they would implant a 45 pound plate in your head if you joked about them but personally i could not give a shit what you think about me.
I am clean and will stay so for the rest of my life my doctor has warned me not to drink moderatly or heavy because of my liver situation if i follow his instructions i should live a full life.
I Will enter the MR Getbig in 2008 and see where i am compared to the rest of the board.

I hope you're not expecting sympathy?

You decided to pump yourself full of steroids, no one else. You deserve a fucked up liver for being so stupid. I just hope it was worth it.

[TheDoctor]

I hope you're not expecting sympathy?

You decided to pump yourself full of steroids, no one else. You deserve a fucked up liver for being so stupid. I just hope it was worth it.

Your absoulutly right it was my fuck up for not researching what i was taking, it was worth it i saw the darkside of bodybuilding and what it does, the first signs was pissing blood scared the shit out of me.My doctor says overtime my liver will regenerate to near normal status the only correct thing i did was drinking 4 to 6 litres of water a day and the doctor said that was the only reason i did not have kidney failure.I do not expect sympathy because natural i can hopefully make it into my 80s still lifting.Any one considering using steroids Google Big Cat Steroid Profiles very interesting reading and full of information to the newby.
One thing else on my rant have some one with you if you use Insulin very dangerous ,have first hand knowledge of a guy who went into a Coma.He came out of it the lucky bastard.

[njflex]

Your absoulutly right it was my fuck up for not researching what i was taking, it was worth it i saw the darkside of bodybuilding and what it does, the first signs was pissing blood scared the shit out of me.My doctor says overtime my liver will regenerate to near normal status the only correct thing i did was drinking 4 to 6 litres of water a day and the doctor said that was the only reason i did not have kidney failure.I do not expect sympathy because natural i can hopefully make it into my 80s still lifting.Any one considering using steroids Google Big Cat Steroid Profiles very interesting reading and full of information to the newby.
One thing else on my rant have some one with you if you use Insulin very dangerous ,have first hand knowledge of a guy who went into a Coma.He came out of it the lucky bastard.

HEY PAISANO,ya seem alright