Milos Drink?

[Bluto]

i'd love to see conclusive and unbiased studies showing glutamine is useful?

i would have thought it would be more important to prove a product's effectiveness, rather than it's ineffectiveness. afterall, i doubt anyone is going to purchase the product for it's ineffectiveness

oh, hang on, maybe i'm expecting too much common sense here, hey milos?

never mind chaos. he's just using any opportunity he can to take a shot at me

and as always, ends up shooting himself in the foot

guy is a racist retard.

[chaos]

i'd love to see conclusive and unbiased studies showing glutamine is useful?

i would have thought it would be more important to prove a product's effectiveness, rather than it's ineffectiveness. afterall, i doubt anyone is going to purchase the product for it's ineffectiveness

oh, hang on, maybe i'm expecting too much common sense here, hey milos?

Well I'm asking you guys to post some of these studies, proving they are useless. After all he says it's useful, prove him wrong, can you?

[chaos]

never mind chaos. he's just using any opportunity he can to take a shot at me

and as always, ends up shooting himself in the foot

guy is a racist retard.

what does racism have to do with you opening your big fat musclebear loving mouth, again? Just post some of these studies you are always going on about.

[Bluto]

Well I'm asking you guys to post some of these studies, proving they are useless. After all he says it's useful, prove him wrong, can you?

The addition of glutamine to a CHO + EAA beverage had no effect on post-exercise muscle glycogen resynthesis or muscle protein synthesis.
Appl Physiol Nutr Metab. 2006 Oct;31(5):518-29.

It is concluded that ingestion of a glutamine/carbohydrate mixture does not increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis in muscle. Glycogen resynthesis rates were higher, although not statistically significant, after ingestion of the drink containing the wheat and whey protein hydrolysate compared to ingestion of the control and free glutamine drinks.
Int J Sports Med. 2000 Jan;21(1):25-30.

We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.
Eur J Appl Physiol. 2001 Dec;86(2):142-9.

These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.
J Strength Cond Res. 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60.

We conclude that intravenous infusion of amino acids increases the fractional rate of mixed muscle protein synthesis, but addition of glutamine to the amino acid mixture does not further stimulate muscle protein synthesis rate in healthy young men and women.
Metabolism. 2000 Dec;49(12):1555-60.

lemme know if you want more...

[chaos]

The addition of glutamine to a CHO + EAA beverage had no effect on post-exercise muscle glycogen resynthesis or muscle protein synthesis.
Appl Physiol Nutr Metab. 2006 Oct;31(5):518-29.

It is concluded that ingestion of a glutamine/carbohydrate mixture does not increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis in muscle. Glycogen resynthesis rates were higher, although not statistically significant, after ingestion of the drink containing the wheat and whey protein hydrolysate compared to ingestion of the control and free glutamine drinks.
Int J Sports Med. 2000 Jan;21(1):25-30.

We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.
Eur J Appl Physiol. 2001 Dec;86(2):142-9.

These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.
J Strength Cond Res. 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60.

We conclude that intravenous infusion of amino acids increases the fractional rate of mixed muscle protein synthesis, but addition of glutamine to the amino acid mixture does not further stimulate muscle protein synthesis rate in healthy young men and women.
Metabolism. 2000 Dec;49(12):1555-60.

lemme know if you want more...

you have any actual links where someone could read the whole study, or are we to believe a guy who spends 14+hours a day on getbig and won't post a pic?

[Bluto]

you have any actual links where someone could read the whole study, or are we to believe a guy who spends 14+hours a day on getbig and won't post a pic?

haha keep owning yourself idiot

which study you want?

[chaos]

haha keep owning yourself idiot

which study you want?

so asking questions makes me an idiot
I want a link to a study that you posted, you fat euro-fag. any one.




And I also want to see a pic of the she-beast bluto

[BEAST 8692]

you have any actual links where someone could read the whole study, or are we to believe a guy who spends 14+hours a day on getbig and won't post a pic?

good god, you really are thick aren't you?

you see the reference points bluto has quoted at the end of each paragraph?

well, they would be the actual verification that the facts come from valid sources other than bluto.

[Bluto]

so asking questions makes me an idiot
I want a link to a study that you posted, you fat euro-fag. any one.




And I also want to see a pic of the she-beast bluto

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17111006&ordinalpos=10&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[chaos]

good god, you really are thick aren't you?

you see the reference points bluto has quoted at the end of each paragraph?

well, they would be the actual verification that the facts come from valid sources other than bluto.

OH I didn't realize how important those were.


BEAST 8692 is a fucking moron with no balls  LAs finest 2007 July;15(7):375-30

is that an actual verification that the facts come from a valid source other than me?

[BEAST 8692]

ok

now that poor chaos has got himself completely pawned, perhaps milos could come back and produce a single fact to support his theory, seeing as he is basically selling sugar (the only efective component of his concoction) at about $15- u.s a table spoon.

[Bluto]

ok

now that poor chaos has got himself completely pawned, perhaps milos could come back and produce a single fact to support his theory, seeing as he is basically selling sugar (the only efective component of his concoction) at about $15- u.s a table spoon.

i hope so. but milos doesnt seem very interesting in discussing - he post a lot, so the time isnt a factor.

my thread about his training went on to 11 pages and still not a single post why he trains the way he does or how it compares to other training theories.

[chaos]

ok now that chaos has read Blutos link........

you're comparing 90 min of cycling at 65% peak, to working out with weights.

There is no difference is there

and these tests were taken with a 3 hour recovery, hardly a long term test



last line in study:

 but may suppress a rise in whole-body proteolysis during the later stages of recovery.


Any more links? or is this it? Anybody else have any links showing how useless glutamine is? I am really interestwed in this, regardless what Blewtoomany and beastility with 8692 dogs say.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Milos is also making a mistake when he says "insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the body". Raising insulin over basal levels does not increase protein synthesis! Insulin is only anti-catabolic!

His hypothesis that delivering nutrients during the workout, enhanced by the increased blood flow, increasing anabolism is very very theoretical. It's not a fact. I don't think that's a limiting factor in hypertrophy - the lack of nutrient delivery DURING the workout. It may or may not be beneficial but any benefit is probably minute. That's my guess.

In fact, some protein researchers have said that timing of protein has very small effects, which would take years to be measurable.

It is great to see ignorant people wanting to give "matter of facts"...

I do not have TIME to argue with "kindergarten professors of physiology and biochemistry" and I would not even try...

Birds on the tree know that insulin dependent patients would go into 'cellular death' as in absence of insulin all the important nutrients would not be able to enter the cells - as TRANSPORTER - Insulin is simply not there...

Anti-catabolism is off course PREVENTING A BREAKDOWN...while anabolism is - BUILDING...synthesising new...

Let see: transporter into the cells prevents loss (saves? thus is anti catabolic?) or stores, builds new (thus is anabolic?)...


I said what I had for my getbig fans...now is the time to do something that is actually productive...

See you guys later...much later.

[Bluto]

good ol "i dont have time"-excuse

after 2420 posts 

[chaos]

how about this one?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17097772&ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum



CONCLUSIONS: In a model of mild, stress-induced protein catabolism, depletion of plasma glutamine per se may worsen branched chain amino acid and protein wasting.



 

[MCWAY]

I don't understand all the whining about the cost of Milos's products!  When Muscletech introduced Anator P70 "muscle gene activator", I paid $89.99 for that crap.  It tasted horrible and did absoutely nothing!  I ended up throwing it out!  Recently, I bought their new naNOVapor for $64.99...also a piece of garbage!  Muscletech is a ripp-off brand!  I have found over three dozen products in the market that cost equal to or MORE than KNS products...and they are all crap!  KNS products are the first supplement's I've used that have delivered what they promise!  When I train now, I not only have an insane pump, but unbelievable endurance as well.  I've packed on over 10 pounds of muscle and dropped 3 inches off my waist in the last 60 days...and my metabolism is through the roof!  Hell, with these kind of results, I'd gladly pay $100 per item! 

Thank you Milos!!!

Of course, you know why certain posters are doing all this complaining. It's all about the grand conspiracy from those evil supplement companies !

I've found that a little patience is all that's needed to try out fairly new supplements at a decent price. I waited until GNC has it's "Buy one; get one 50% off sale" before trying Anator P-70. I got two jugs for the price you paid for one.

You're right about the taste, though. It's terrible, especially the "Berry Blast". The only way I could consume it was to mix it with my regular protein powder and CELL-TECH. That's bearable, IF you use the "Orange Cooler" version of Anator P-70.

If you're happy with the results from Milos' supplements and it's within your budget, then it's definitely worth the price. But, who knows, three to six months from now, he may lower the price or have some sort of sale.

[Bluto]

ok now that chaos has read Blutos link........

you're comparing 90 min of cycling at 65% peak, to working out with weights.

There is no difference is there

and these tests were taken with a 3 hour recovery, hardly a long term test



last line in study:

 but may suppress a rise in whole-body proteolysis during the later stages of recovery.


Any more links? or is this it? Anybody else have any links showing how useless glutamine is? I am really interestwed in this, regardless what Blewtoomany and beastility with 8692 dogs say.

all my examples are of actual studies. just go look em up. if you know how to use the internet.
the fact of the matter is - there's so many studies coming to the same conclusion that glutamine is worthless that you need to have a strong case to claim otherwise.

[Milos_Sarcev]

ive never seen you ONCE posting a single study about anything. i guess you dont care much about science?

you're saying the greatness with glutamine is as obvious as that the sky is blue? and im a moron for not taking your word for it (though every single study ever made on glutamine shows it doesnt do shit)

but ok let's play it that way.

coca-cola and peanut butter had me put on 30 pounds of mass in 6 months.

want proof? take my word for it.

Bluto - I have more studies saved and books read that you would collect in the lifetime...and indeed I do show them and share them with people who's opinions and knowledge I respect - and those who deserve to know...

You can continue trying to provoke my response...and see what happens.

I really cannot wait just to tell you something and prove YOU that I am right...just as we all know what colors we see when we look at sky or grass...

I was being nice for a while...but there is the time when one must realize that speaking with the fools for prolonged period of time - can make you become one...

Enjoy ignorance...what you don't know - can't hurt you...or...maybe it can...after all.

[BEAST 8692]

It is great to see ignorant people wanting to give "matter of facts"...

I do not have TIME to argue with "kindergarten professors of physiology and biochemistry" and I would not even try...

Birds on the tree know that insulin dependent patients would go into 'cellular death' as in absence of insulin all the important nutrients would not be able to enter the cells - as TRANSPORTER - Insulin is simply not there...

Anti-catabolism is off course PREVENTING A BREAKDOWN...while anabolism is - BUILDING...synthesising new...

Let see: transporter into the cells prevents loss (saves? thus is anti catabolic?) or stores, builds new (thus is anabolic?)...


I said what I had for my getbig fans...now is the time to do something that is actually productive...

See you guys later...much later.

hahaha

is that the best you can do milos?

yes, we all know insulin is an important hormone milos and that people that cannot produce insulin can become very sick and deprived of nutrients.

unfortunately, you are not selling this product to people who can't produce their own insulin.

of course, if you were you would go out of business in a huge way very quickly, because people that can't produce their own insulin use a far far superior product called...wait for it...INSULIN!

you see, biochemists and drug manufacturers already know that you CAN NOT MIMIC THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN WITH A FOOD/FOOD SUPPLEMENT.

but you run away now dear milos with your tail between your legs. don't want to stay and debate this point with actual facts and completely negating any possible remaining credibility you might have.

btw, where's that evidence of chua's corruption you were going to confound us all with right here on getbig.

[chaos]

all my examples are of actual studies. just go look em up. if you know how to use the internet.
the fact of the matter is - there's so many studies coming to the same conclusion that glutamine is worthless that you need to have a strong case to claim otherwise.

That particualar study was about cycling and was tested 3 hours after, how is that comparable to lifting weights and taking in glutamine during the action?

also did you read the link I posted? from the same sight


"depletion of plasma glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting"

[Van_Bilderass]

It is great to see ignorant people wanting to give "matter of facts"...

I do not have TIME to argue with "kindergarten professors of physiology and biochemistry" and I would not even try...

Birds on the tree know that insulin dependent patients would go into 'cellular death' as in absence of insulin all the important nutrients would not be able to enter the cells - as TRANSPORTER - Insulin is simply not there...


Anti-catabolism is off course PREVENTING A BREAKDOWN...while anabolism is - BUILDING...synthesising new...

Let see: transporter into the cells prevents loss (saves? thus is anti catabolic?) or stores, builds new (thus is anabolic?)...


I said what I had for my getbig fans...now is the time to do something that is actually productive...

See you guys later...much later.

If you were less arrogant maybe you would learn something, even from internet morons like me.

It's you who is acting like a professor, meanwhile not really doing much research. You think supplying aminos during the workout will make you grow much faster and that lack of insulin/aminos during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy. That's a wild leap of faith IMO.

How come you didn't mention the injectable insulin on PBW? You said your shakes were responsible for the results in your clients. That's dishonest.

Yes, ajimoto aminos and dextrose were the "million dollar secret" you gave to Nasser. 

[Milos_Sarcev]

why doesnt milos answer your questions beast 

Same reason as I don't answer your questions either.

My nine year old knows more than both of you...but - I will let you enjoy yourself reading internet studies...

Maybe, just maybe you should start with some text books of physiology, biology, anatomy and biochemistry...to learn at least - BASICS...and when you do - please come to see me - so we can have decent conversation.

Try even with my next seminar.
I will give you a chance to question me UP AND DOWN - any question you might have...and indeed I will give you BACK UP on everything I say - with studies and hundreds of books I have in my office...

Until than - try to be honest to yourself and ask: how much do you really know about the subject?

I can tell you: very, very....VERY little. (if anything at all?)

[BEAST 8692]

That particualar study was about cycling and was tested 3 hours after, how is that comparable to lifting weights and taking in glutamine during the action?

also did you read the link I posted? from the same sight


"depletion of plasma glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting"

chaos, go ahead and use your glutamine because fraudsters like milos tell you it works (at only 20 dollars a serve or whatever it is). i'm sure you'll get rteally big muscles from using it.

don't forget to eat whole jars of peanut butter with it. you'll be amazed at how big you get.

don't worry that your fat gut will protrude further than your chest. that's all part of the synergism of glutamine and sugar.

don't worry that NOT ONE SINGLE APPROVED STUDY CONFIRMS IT'S USEFULNESS. afterall there's only been about 50 studies that prove the opposite and you've got money to waste.

[BEAST 8692]

hahaha

is that the best you can do milos?

yes, we all know insulin is an important hormone milos and that people that cannot produce insulin can become very sick and deprived of nutrients.

unfortunately, you are not selling this product to people who can't produce their own insulin.

of course, if you were you would go out of business in a huge way very quickly, because people that can't produce their own insulin use a far far superior product called...wait for it...INSULIN!

you see, biochemists and drug manufacturers already know that you CAN NOT MIMIC THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN WITH A FOOD/FOOD SUPPLEMENT.

but you run away now dear milos with your tail between your legs. don't want to stay and debate this point with actual facts and completely any possible remaining credibility you might have.

btw, where's that evidence of chua's corruption you were going to confound us all with right here on getbig.

quoted for relevence.

don't bother answering my questions milos. you've got nothing and you know it.

of course, if you had you would take great delight in providing it, as opposed to conversations about 9 yr old daughters and blue skies and green grass.