Layne Norton

[BEAST 8692]

Your debating skills are along the lines of TA's and Christian fundamentalists.  Even when I present proof you still go on as if you've won.

what proof matt?

you can't find any clips of layne doing stiff legged deads continuous tension smooth with 495 for 7, but you think there's one, but then it might be 405lbs.

you've never seen jay do trap bar deadlifts powerlifting style like layne did, but you think that if he did he would be weaker than layne.

then you revised that assertion to "wouldn't be surprised if layne beats him on deadlifts."

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Your debating skills are along the lines of TA's and Christian fundamentalists.  Even when I present proof you still go on as if you've won.

Sounds alot like you when you claimed eating a diet of whatever you wanted didn't work. Intresting how all you can do is reassert your claim.

[Fulgorre]

not natural, look at his competition and offseason pics.

bigger at competition time then he is in the offseason  (no it's not the ripped look that makes it look bigger)

means small amounts of test, and hgh/slin/igf are used

natural when tested, but not in reality.

looks pretty crap for a juicer to be honest

Bingo!

Matt C- Anavar, Anadrol, Test Sus- Layne will not outlift Jay w/o these in his system.  Also, aren't you comparing an offseason Layne to a very low bodyfat pre Olympia Jay from his videos??  At least compare lifts when they are both offseason before you say Norton is stronger....which...is pretty laughable.

[Matt C]

Bingo!

Matt C- Anavar, Anadrol, Test Sus- Layne will not outlift Jay w/o these in his system.  Also, aren't you comparing an offseason Layne to a very low bodyfat pre Olympia Jay from his videos??  At least compare lifts when they are both offseason before you say Norton is stronger....which...is pretty laughable.

It's not laughable.  It would be laughable to state Layne is stronger than Ronnie.  It would not be laughable to compare Layne to Jay.  It would be like me comparing my strength to that of my training partner.  We are both close and if one is stronger, it's only very marginally, just like Layne and Jay.

[Steve387]

I think Beast is totally correct, Layne's 495lb for 5 is strong but 495lb for 7, continous and even with a few pauses while maintaining strict form is rediculous. When was the last time you saw anyone do that? I think your just lookin at numbers and seeing 495, but forgetting in that style that Jay does it, takes incredible strength and is nothing like just lifting 495lb off the floor for a few times
 
Matt is a cool guy the website is decent but i gotta say everytime you review something it seems you always bring up you or your training partner...im not saying you do it for every video review, but a lot of them there is usually something

"think it's possible to do this and keep your sanity, but some like Jay and myself will not get frustrated with a bland diet like this."

"At first it seemed as if he was no stronger than me, but I was pretty sure this wasn't the case. The 100 pound dumbbells were just a warmup and he quit way before failure. "

and for Gunter's Star Power you went off on a craig titus meltdown

"At home, Gunter cooked a post workout meal and proved to be quite the chef. Nutrition is a great bodybuilding expense, and Gunter looked to be eating properly and have on hand all the necessary ingredients for muscle building nutrition. I heard talk that Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan both ate a horrible diet, and given Craig's recklessness with drugs and his horrid lifestyle in general I don't doubt that. On this topic, and I think it's an important one: Gunter Schlierkamp is everything a bodybuilder should aspire to be, and Craig Titus is everything that a bodybuilder shouldn't aspire to be. Craig was and still is a complete disgrace to bodybuilding and I hope he rots in jail for the rest of his life. I don't have a well formed view on the death penalty, but in general I am against it. Either way, I do hope hte punishment fits the crime for Titus and he remains in jail should he be found guilty, and so far I have every inclination to believe he will be. Gunter on the other hand, is a role model in the industry and we need more like him around."



There are others but I mean come on dude! 

[Matt C]

Yes, it's normal for me to have meltdowns while reviewing DVDs.  A good example is my review of Gary Strydom's DVD when he kept talking about how bodybuilding success is achieved through a healthy diet.    He kept going on and on as if professional bodybuilding is healthy.

[warrior_code]

I am not sure, but I think I remember seeing Jay doing 405 on inclines which is very good. 

[D.L. 5]

Sounds alot like you when you claimed eating a diet of whatever you wanted didn't work. Intresting how all you can do is reassert your claim.

the leafy bug reduces those calories and gets shredded...the natural ideal.

in regards to the weights argument. jay moves that weight slow, controlled and with ease.

[Matt C]

I am not sure, but I think I remember seeing Jay doing 405 on inclines which is very good. 

Yes, he is stronger than Layne on pressing movements.  Jay's max bench is probably around 455 while Layne's is probably around 385

[jason armstrong]

ha ha this is the most comical thread ever.
Layne on the same level as Jay LOL
Layne couldn't win shit, clean or jacked except little teeny sorry ass pansy natural shows.
windexfather is GAY earl is a homo too. they should get together and have a matt C sammich another gay loving muscle worshipper.

[Matt C]

ha ha this is the most comical thread ever.
Layne on the same level as Jay LOL
Layne couldn't win shit, clean or jacked except little teeny sorry ass pansy natural shows.
windexfather is GAY earl is a homo too. they should get together and have a matt C sammich another gay loving muscle worshipper.

Strength not size.  Let's say Jay's maximum deadlift is 650.  Layne's is close, possibly over even, but definitely close.  Same goes for Jay's maximum squat and bench press.  In both cases, Layne is close.  I'm not sure where the confusion is here.  I don't think anyone said Layne could beat him in a bodybuilding contest.

[jason armstrong]

Strength not size.  Let's say Jay's maximum deadlift is 650.  Layne's is close, possibly over even, but definitely close.  Same goes for Jay's maximum squat and bench press.  In both cases, Layne is close.  I'm not sure where the confusion is here.  I don't think anyone said Layne could beat him in a bodybuilding contest.

the confusion is some people get caught up on size some strength some fat some skinny he's strong and done exceptional with his genetics but still wouldn't fare well in the TU or any top level natty show. his arrogance and demeanor makes people despise him, you have seen his posing videos right, and all the times he talks down to people like he is the GOD of protein metabolism.
Honestly he doesn't eve look like he works out in most of the vids he's got long lanky muscles and limbs and destined to be skinny looking even if he took a gh15 cycle he'd still look like a bigger skinny bulked person...just like squat fatter will always be fat and you will alwalys brag about your accomplishments school and gonna be a millionaire and other crap most spew on here but that's cool it's getbig not real life....
laynes a punk plain and simple a bb.com punk ass at it's finest....

[jason armstrong]

how many strong guys do you know that are fat?
How many do you know that are skinny?
I know plenty, strenght is more than muscle size.
I know some giant mother fkers that can't bench 315 but their arms are bigger than your legs and their barrell chests could give Arnold pause in his days.
nobody gives a shit what people do in the gym.
walk around and be a bad ass , swallow some juice get a job and life and actually start gaining some muscle you won't die you'll be happy self confident and actually get laid matthew!
hope that helps you my genius mathematical nobel peace prize canadian ice monster!!

[saucetradomous]

ok, i see we're still harping on about layne's gym vocabulary.

i use paragraphs with spacing to make my posts easier to read, but i do accept reading might present some difficulty to you with layne's testicles blocking your vision.

Poor retort... I never said I had a difficult time reading.. you did.   Maybe you should stick to the Babysitters club son.  Everything will be spaced out nicely for you.

On another Note, like I said before I don't think Layne is as great as some people make him out to be.  His legs are shit and his overall symmetry and aesthetics are pretty weak but I do think he has done a decent job with what he has been given.  People are just attacking him without any reason.  I still don't understand why you got so offensive because of Layne saying "I feel compelled to move something". 

If you think the guy is a prick give me something other then "I don't like the way he talks"

[Matt C]

how many strong guys do you know that are fat?
How many do you know that are skinny?
I know plenty, strenght is more than muscle size.
I know some giant mother fkers that can't bench 315 but their arms are bigger than your legs and their barrell chests could give Arnold pause in his days.
nobody gives a shit what people do in the gym.
walk around and be a bad ass , swallow some juice get a job and life and actually start gaining some muscle you won't die you'll be happy self confident and actually get laid matthew!
hope that helps you my genius mathematical nobel peace prize canadian ice monster!!

Dude.

How many times have I said that women are more attracted to a man's face than anything else?  I think guys who think that muscles matter the most are usually big and ugly dudes. 

[mwbbuilder]

The reason why people have a problem with Layne and True Adonis is because the two are "regular people" just like them--but are getting a fan base becuase they have the guts to speak their minds.

Anytime you speak your mind you'll have fans and detractors.

The detractors realize they may have better bodies or more knowledge than layne or Adonis but they don't have the guts.

They wish they had the guts and resent Layne and Adonis for beating them to the punch.

[saucetradomous]

the confusion is some people get caught up on size some strength some fat some skinny he's strong and done exceptional with his genetics but still wouldn't fare well in the TU or any top level natty show. his arrogance and demeanor makes people despise him, you have seen his posing videos right, and all the times he talks down to people like he is the GOD of protein metabolism.
Honestly he doesn't eve look like he works out in most of the vids he's got long lanky muscles and limbs and destined to be skinny looking even if he took a gh15 cycle he'd still look like a bigger skinny bulked person...just like squat fatter will always be fat and you will alwalys brag about your accomplishments school and gonna be a millionaire and other crap most spew on here but that's cool it's getbig not real life....
laynes a punk plain and simple a bb.com punk ass at it's finest....

Explain it like this Beast  That's what I'm asking

[mwbbuilder]

Dude.

How many times have I said that women are more attracted to a man's face than anything else?  I think guys who think that muscles matter the most are usually big and ugly dudes. 

You've said it alot!

That's why we wonder if you are a homosexual.

You definately have an opinion as to what you find attractive in a man.

Not that there's anything wrong with that........

[saucetradomous]

You've said it alot!

That's why we wonder if you are a homosexual.

You definately have an opinion as to what you find attractive in a man.

Not that there's anything wrong with that........

Matt comes across as having no self confidence.  He's always worried about what people are going to think about him.  He needs to stop thinking so much and just live his life. 

You always voice your opinion on what/who you'd like to look like, just improve yourself and be yourself Matt

[jason armstrong]

You've said it alot!

That's why we wonder if you are a homosexual.

You definately have an opinion as to what you find attractive in a man.

Not that there's anything wrong with that........

LOL

[BEAST 8692]

Dude.

How many times have I said that women are more attracted to a man's face than anything else?  I think guys who think that muscles matter the most are usually big and ugly dudes. 

i think we've identified the problem with you matt.

how many reviews of bbing videos have you done and you still can't tell the difference between a stiff legged deadlift performed in a smooth continuous tension style and power lifting style trap bar deadlifts with a release and pause at the floor.

maybe if, in your reviews, you focused less time on how attractive a bodybuilder looks and more time watching what they're actually doing you might get a clue about what you're talking about.

who knows, you might even put some size on those tooth picks wedged between your ass and the ground. 

[MAXX]

The reason why people have a problem with Layne and True Adonis is because the two are "regular people" just like them--but are getting a fan base becuase they have the guts to speak their minds.

rofl TA has a fan base? 

hahahah

[Matt C]

You've said it alot!

That's why we wonder if you are a homosexual.

You definately have an opinion as to what you find attractive in a man.

Not that there's anything wrong with that........

This is true.

i think we've identified the problem with you matt.

how many reviews of bbing videos have you done and you still can't tell the difference between a stiff legged deadlift performed in a smooth continuous tension style and power lifting style trap bar deadlifts with a release and pause at the floor.

maybe if, in your reviews, you focused less time on how attractive a bodybuilder looks and more time watching what they're actually doing you might get a clue about what you're talking about.

who knows, you might even put some size on those tooth picks wedged between your ass and the ground. 

True.

But I still don't see how you can't at least acknowledge that Layne and would be close in strength.  I'm sure both Layne and Jay deadlift somewhere in the 600s at max.  Layne's maximum bench press is probably only a hair under 405 where Jay's is probably in the mid 400s.  I've never seen Jay squat anything insane.  I'm sure Layne could hit 495 for a single and Jay might be at 585, but who knows.  Point is, they are close, and in some ways, I'm sure Layne has more strength than Jay.  He is definitely stronger pound for pound.  I'm not sure where the disagreement is here.

[BEAST 8692]

True.

But I still don't see how you can't at least acknowledge that Layne and would be close in strength.  I'm sure both Layne and Jay deadlift somewhere in the 600s at max.  Layne's maximum bench press is probably only a hair under 405 where Jay's is probably in the mid 400s.  I've never seen Jay squat anything insane.  I'm sure Layne could hit 495 for a single and Jay might be at 585, but who knows.  Point is, they are close, and in some ways, I'm sure Layne has more strength than Jay.  He is definitely stronger point for pound.  I'm not sure where the disagreement is here.
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the bold print tells the story.

you make grandiose statements (layne is stronger than jay) based purely on speculation and, because you have been foolish enough to argue the point, we can now see that your opinion, not only has no factual basis, but has no qualification either as you simply have no idea what you're talking about. you don't even know the difference between a stiff legged deadlift performed smoothly with continuous tension and trap bar deadlifts performed powerlifting style with pause and release between reps.

you're nothing but a fan boy that gets mesmerised by a visual cue and then sees nothing else but that which excites him the most.

you should not be reviewing bodybuilding dvds matt.

[Matt C]

the bold print tells the story.

you make grandiose statements (layne is stronger than jay) based purely on speculation and, because you have been foolish enough to argue the point, we can now see that your opinion, not only has no factual basis, but has no qualification either as you simply have no idea what you're talking about. you don't even know the difference between a stiff legged deadlift performed smoothly with continuous tension and trap bar deadlifts performed powerlifting style with pause and release between reps.

you're nothing but a fan boy that gets mesmerised by a visual cue and then sees nothing else but that which excites him the most.

you should not be reviewing bodybuilding dvds matt.

Not true.  I've watched all the video footage there is of both Layne and Jay training and it would be obvious to any objective observer they are close in strength.  On the flat press, Jay handles the 160s with roughly the same form and intensity and Layne handles the 150s for instance.  I've already cited examples of their maximum lifts giving an inflated deadlift for Jay because he has never deadlifted over 495 on video.  Yet you assume he deadlifts more than someone who has been seen deadlifting 550 for reps, even if it is with the trap bar.  This is not the same as saying Layne is as strong or stronger than Ronnie.  In that case, there is no comparison.  I'm simply stating that with Layne and Jay there IS a comparison.  Put another way, Layne could not make it through Ronnie's workout or anything close to it.  However, Layne could make it through one of Jay's workouts with only having to change the weights slightly for each set.  They are comparable and Layne has the videos to prove it.

But forget about my opinion - are you saying that Jay is much stronger than Layne?  Give evidence, including examples of both of their maximum lifts.